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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: xthrx]
    #21746264 - 05/31/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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xthrx said:
I think its weird you dont love your wife lol





of course I do...I was making the example that love is undefinable therefore I cannot love her.

of course I fucking love her :lol:

but I still don't know how its possible when love really cant be defined..


but like I said, love was a bad example.


back to the matter at hand...ego death does not exist because nobody can tell me what it means and how you know if it happens to you.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746275 - 05/31/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bill your like... 10 years old or something?? If you are older than that, I feel sorry for your lack of knowledge. Go read a book mate.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21746300 - 05/31/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"of course I do...I was making the example that love is undefinable therefore I cannot love her.

of course I fucking love her :lol:"

This is just contradiction. You can define love, just like you can define happiness. I dont know why you're stuck on this path of perception..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746302 - 05/31/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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EGO DEATH DOESNT EXIST. I say that because its not truly defined as anything.




The closest you'd get would be something like "psychedelic dissociative transcendence" but that's still pretty vague and creates more questions than answers.

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People need to stop acting as if "ego death" is something that is attached to the psychedelic experience.




I think Leary's concept of "ego loss" was supposed to be something pretty fundamental to the psychedelic experience....which is why he called his book "The Psychedelic Experience" ("ego death" was based on some bonkers stuff by Grof about re-experiencing birth trauma).

Relating the Tibetan Book of the Dead to the mental events of a psychedelic trip was never going to result in a well-defined concept.

The frustrating thing is trying to convey the power of the kind of trip that swallows your mind like a black hole before blasting you out across the universe in a supernova of revelations and delusional mayhem.....one of the few phrases available is "ego-death" so people use it, but it ends up as a kind of label that means little more than "I tripped to the max! You better believe it!"

I think there is a core experience that it refers to; the feeling of being swallowed up by a trip that leaves no room for you to exist in - the exact nature of what happens in the resulting state of fragmented consciousness is variable but would include elements of the things I listed in another post - Death, Transcendence, Rapture, Mystical, Spiritual, Hell, Surrender, Radiance, Wonder, Void, Inferno, Unity, Everything, Ecstasy, Annihilation, Rebirth, God.

It's almost like a trip within the trip.

The problem is that even if you can define the exact state of consciousness that comes about when you lose awareness of yourself, you would still only be talking about the container, not the contents. It's the trip that occurs within that state that is interesting.....similar to the way that dreams are not the same thing as sleep.

It's a real fuckfest of a concept. I did go into some detail in other posts but that's the problem - if you need reams of explanation to even begin to define a concept then it's not much use, especially if nobody else agrees on the details....

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Ok so then let me ask...how does one know for sure when they get this undefinable "Ego death" ??




You die within the trip. Then you come back. You experience God.

Something along those lines. Something that leaves you reeling from the impossibility of it. A pure state of rapture. A phenomenal delusional euphoria that feels like you finally solved every puzzle and answered every question. When you become God.

If the trips end up like that, who gives a fuck about definitions? The problem is not that these kind of trips don't happen, its that they don't have any sensible concise definition that is particularly helpful. For that reason it's probably better to forget about "ego-death" and just talk about the trip.

With DMT it's better because "breakthrough" doesn't have so much baggage attached to the term, people say things like "I broke through and X,Y,Z happened" which is more informative. With shrooms people say "I experienced ego death" and tend to leave it at that.

P.S How many bong rippz did you say you can take?


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21746327 - 05/31/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Damn.  See now I def gotta try this.  I am working on my second grow as we speak.  I think if I don't hit ego death at half an ounce then that pretty much answers it for me.  Lol...uh btw....half an ounce...is that possible WITHOUT puking my guts out? Not that I would want to try it or anything:evil:


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: 1sttimeshroomer]
    #21746338 - 05/31/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Btw my last post was meant to make you lol.  No I don't plan on eating a half lol I should clarify


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: 1sttimeshroomer]
    #21746381 - 05/31/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A couple of things I should mention -

firstly, if you wanted to get all buddhist about it, the actual "ego death" would be the perfect moment of clarity when you see reality as it truly is, without the "self" intruding in any way, a state of pristine cognition, nirvana....... but good luck maintaining that for very long on a high dose of psychedelic drugs. I'm trying to define an "ego-death" trip in realistic overall terms.

Secondly, before you get swept up in this kind of black hole, you may well have a horrifying experience of slowly escalating madness and dread, and a really hard think about why you took so many drugs.....part of the euphoria that comes later is when you realize that you are still alive.

It doesn't have to get all apocalyptic, people use the term "ego loss" for the kind of meditative spiritual trip where you lose your sense of self in a more tranquil way.....so it does mean slightly different things but they all relate back to Buddhism mainly.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746604 - 05/31/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You cease to identify as a living human, and perceive through our normal sensory means. If the peak begins subsiding and you realize that you are in fact still alive, then I would say that is fair grounds to label something as ego death... Seeing as how your concept of being a living human was non-existent for a period of time.

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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21746977 - 06/01/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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your experience was nowhere near an ego death, and you are asking us why you saw hallucination type affects whilst looking at yourself in the mirror???

Do you even know what you are doing dude?? Lol



:lol::facepalm3: "I ate hallucinogenic mushrooms and I started hallucinating, is this normal" buhahaha

And why in the fuck is everyone just chasing after their ego death experiences. It's not like a fucking psychedelic badge





For me the really astonishing part of an LSD or psychedelic experience is not ego death but those lighting fast ineffable visions containing arcane universal truths that you are allowed to know momentarily but then never take home.




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^^^^yeah bro!



Couldn't have said it better myself :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21747018 - 06/01/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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back to the matter at hand...ego death does not exist because nobody can tell me what it means and how you know if it happens to you.





Again with your EGO Bill. You should read a bit more before making statements about things you do not understand.

This PDF  from MAPS gives you a good idea of what ego death is about.>>>http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v20n1/v20n1-40to41.pdf


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: karode13]
    #21747423 - 06/01/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

nice link^^

I think ego loss and ego death are two entirely different things. "Ego" itself has several different definitions in itself.

For me ego loss can happen quite easily on a variety of substances.  Basely losing my ability to do as I normally would. Like cross a street,pour a glass of water or speak with someone. But still knowing who I am and that these functions are still possible.

Ego death is a total loss resulting into having no idea where you are and on which plane of existence.  Strong psychedelics and or dose can almost be like a jet or rollercoaster ride in a lot of ways. Because if you get too fucked up, one has no idea where the ground is. What is real and what is not. Dmt/4hodmt/ is notorious for being great at this function.

THe fastest ego death ive ever encountered would be from smoked dmt. I always experience ego loss on mushrooms but rarely experience complete ego death anymore.

THe experiencing "god" thing is funny because ive actually seen only one god like figure in a closed eye visual.
Ganesha

I found the whole thing to be extremely curious and surreal as ive never studied Hinduism. Nor have I ever studied this character/deity until after the trip.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: karode13]
    #21747506 - 06/01/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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back to the matter at hand...ego death does not exist because nobody can tell me what it means and how you know if it happens to you.





Again with your EGO Bill. You should read a bit more before making statements about things you do not understand.

This PDF  from MAPS gives you a good idea of what ego death is about.>>>http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v20n1/v20n1-40to41.pdf





If ego death is an actual thing then why does everyone define it differently? Why do people explain ego death and in my point of view its nothing close to ny version of ego death? Oh i know why..because its purely subjective.

My only point is that the psych experience is so compkex that reducing an experience to call it ego death doesnt do justice.

It might exist in people's minds..but is it something that can ever be scientifically STUDIED?

no.


And just because i have an opinion doesnt mean its my ego. Maybe you need to stop casting stones and look  at yourself


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21747518 - 06/01/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly life is a subjective thing that everyone defines differently. We as humans make up so many ideas so we can attempt to get a grasp on reality.

The whole experience of living is subjective, I don't know if you see red the same color that I see red, but we both describe it as red because we have come to associate that color with red. It's the same with ego death IMO. It's a feeling that can be so unique and different to anyone, but we call it that for an overall understanding.

Plus I like to think ego death is a spectrum of intensities on psychedelics, and not just one level that can be reached. Ego loss is just another term to describe a similar effect, but with less intensity, to ego death. Like sadness and depression.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Achillita]
    #21748627 - 06/01/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah..its just I here the term just thrown around so loosely that im trying to get people to realize that it really isn't a built-in aspect to psychs.

When psychs were created its not like God(or whatever) was like "ok..now at a certain stage of the high im going to instil this thing called ego-death".

ego-death is just a way of describing the feeling of one-ness and feeling like you have died and been reborn. so I guess its real...but at the same time its not because egodeath can be achieved from anything...such as looking at the stars or getting into a car-accident.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: 1sttimeshroomer]
    #21748687 - 06/01/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP I once gave 8g to friend to tripnutz and he split it with another friend down the middle (4g freshly dried cubies for the both of them). Heres's where it gets weird. my friend who I gave the cubes to tripped balls and his friend said it didn't work/ didn't feel the effects. I don't understand how one person can trip and the other guy cant. makes no sense to me. Has anyone reported the same thing?


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21748712 - 06/01/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ego-death is just a way of describing the feeling of one-ness and feeling like you have died and been reborn. so I guess its real...




that is all..... Now stop trying to argue over actual facts... LOL


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: UncleFester]
    #21748970 - 06/01/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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OP I once gave 8g to friend to tripnutz and he split it with another friend down the middle (4g freshly dried cubies for the both of them). Heres's where it gets weird. my friend who I gave the cubes to tripped balls and his friend said it didn't work/ didn't feel the effects. I don't understand how one person can trip and the other guy cant. makes no sense to me. Has anyone reported the same thing?



Never had that happen to me honestly. Maybe the guy who didn't trip was on medication at the time?


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Achillita]
    #21749069 - 06/01/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I asked about that too and he said he doesn't take meds which was the even more bizarre part:shrug: is there a list of meds that would de-rail your trip to funky town?


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: UncleFester]
    #21749089 - 06/01/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know SSRI won't let you trip unless you take high doses. And if they were taking any benzos it could have greatly reduced the trip. Like if they took xanax that day.

I'm pretty sure SSRIs stay in your system for around 3 weeks or so.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21749301 - 06/01/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ego-death is just a way of describing the feeling of one-ness and feeling like you have died and been reborn. so I guess its real...




that is all..... Now stop trying to argue over actual facts... LOL





im not arguing...im explaining why im right.


ego-death is an overrated term to describe something 10000x more detailed than the word implies...therefore only noobs use it.

that Is all


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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