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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21744905 - 05/31/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When my mind and face contort in the grips of laughter I know ive reached the promised land....

Usualy my cheeks hurt from laughin to hard after a good trip. Im 6,2.....240lbs.....im concidered large by most.....and a half eigth of good shrooms will still light my mind on fire....weight doesnt realy make a difrence...you probly had shity ones...witch might be hard to admit since you grew them.

According to what you said it sounds like it went great.

Have fun sorting it out. Happy trippin brother.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: 1sttimeshroomer]
    #21744923 - 05/31/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting thoughts.  However,  I was not chasing ego death.  Personally I don't care if it ever happens to me or not.  Now that I am a bit older I do not trip to party like I did as a teen.  For me the psychedelic experience is more of a understanding of my life, who I am by a lowering of my vulnerabilities, seeing things for who or what they are, and just a complete different way of thinking and processing.  It is liberating.  We go day to day in almost a rat race of sorts thinking we need to buy what people tell us to, believe what they tell us to, feel what they tell us to.  Us as human beings when you beat us to death with a concept we tend to adopt it...typically.  I just find it freeing to be able to say okay, well what if all of that isn't true?  Could there be another way?  Or whatever. 

Interesting thoughts though thanks for the feedback!!




I don't buy anything that most people call reality. If you look at movies, news, and books from 50 to 100 years ago their adduitudes and beliefs are quite silly by today's standards.
Do you think in 100 years they will look back to the 21st century and say "oh that's when humans got their shit together." I think they will say something more like "what a bunch of idiots they had forbidden words, their poltical systems were totally corrupt, and they were dumping garbage everywhere."

I wish I could articulate my point better but on a tablet taking a shit


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: wolf8312]
    #21745554 - 05/31/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LSD was for me seriously ego deranging/diminishing and salvia was actual ego death as it basically wiped out all comprehension as to where, what, and when I was. It was fucking horrible though and one of the reasons I dislike salvia. No ego whatsoever is not nice at all.

For me the really astonishing part of an LSD or psychedelic experience is not ego death but those lighting fast ineffable visions containing arcane universal truths that you are allowed to know momentarily but then never take home.




I'd say the second part of this - the "ineffable visions containing arcane universal truths" is closer to the meaning of ego death than the aspect of losing consciousness or entering a dissociative state; it's what happens when you're in that state that is interesting.

I'd agree with the general theme on this thread that "ego death" is a bit of a pointless term to start throwing around; it's interesting arguing about the exact meaning as a kind of philosophical discussion, but in general it's much more informative if people just describe specifically what they experience in their own words.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: bennylava]
    #21745674 - 05/31/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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People talking about their ego dying. But has anyone stopped to think that we have an ego for a reason? Why would we as human beings, come with an ego if we weren't meant to have it? Perhaps it serves some function for this life, that has now been destroyed because of this ego death effect.




This all goes back to buddhist beliefs, where the ego / self is something illusory that is preventing you from being liberated from suffering. The idea is that if you can understand this aspect of reality, then at the moment of your death you will be released from the cycle of reincarnation and liberated to the realm of "nirvana" (that's a very rough explanation; I have a limited understanding of buddhist concepts and I'm trying to remember what I've read).

The link with psychedelics is that in the middle of a strong trip you can enter a state which feels like your death; you get this overwhelming feeling of liberation/nirvana that is like a kind of religious rapture.....that you've transcended death and seen beyond your normal reality.

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Of course, you don't actually die......your ego doesn't literally die.....it's a figure of speech. Your ego /self certainly does serve a function, but the general idea is that it can be enlightening to see beyond this.

It's good to be sceptical of these ideas. It's also worth pointing out that at high doses you can become highly delusional; any attempt to treat a trip as a serious spiritual pursuit aiming at "ego death" is likely to be derailed by the sheer insanity of the trip. It's much more interesting to trip without any specific agenda and see where it takes you. I think a lot of people take large doses of shrooms primarily to get stronger visuals, and then get taken by surprise by the strongly mystical / spiritual / sci-fi kind of trips that sometimes result.

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1sttimeshroomer wrote: For me the psychedelic experience is more of a understanding of my life, who I am by a lowering of my vulnerabilities, seeing things for who or what they are, and just a complete different way of thinking and processing. It is liberating.




....back to the the idea of liberation, maybe not so far from ego death after all :wink:


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21745771 - 05/31/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

EGO DEATH DOESNT EXIST.


I say that because its not truly defined as anything. its like saying "im shooting for total astonishment"...

its just too vague to be an actual thing. Like love. Love doesn't exist...but the act of being kind exists.

People need to stop acting as if "ego death" is something that is attached to the psychedelic experience. Whenever anyone talks about ego death, my "noob" and bongrippz" alert goes off.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21745876 - 05/31/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ego Death exists for sure... I have seen it happen to friends and also myself from a birds eye view of the world. I was what you would consider "All". When you see friends ask if they are dying on high doses with frightful eyes, you know their soul is getting shattered into a million pieces inside. Next morning they feel revived/reborn and much more closer to the spiritual sense of mankind :awecid:


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21745896 - 05/31/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah and i also have strong feelings for my wife. does that mean i love her? no it means i have strong feelings for her.

your friend had an astonishing trip that may have felt like how someone would describe ego death...but since ego death isn't a real thing(because the ego isn't even a real thing) it never happened.


the ego is just a word for something else. same goes for "ego death"

that's why i say it doesn't exist.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21745948 - 05/31/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No you said it yourself... you only have strong feelings for her, not love her. so what ever brother.. LOL


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21745967 - 05/31/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok then genius...tell me..

What is ego death?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746027 - 05/31/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hahahaha.  Seems as though I have created a monster in the form of a thread.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746042 - 05/31/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ok then genius...tell me..

What is ego death?




One simply does not explain the type of feelings and dimensions that goes on during ego deaths, you just have to embrace it for yourself to understand.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21746075 - 05/31/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol bill, are you being serious or trolling? What a dumbass if you're being serious.

EVERYONE has an ego, NO one lives without an ego. The ego isnt a bad thing either. However you want others to view you is your own choice, if you dont care it doesnt matter you still have an ego.

Ego death is definitely real.. Defined " When all self is lost ". However breif it is very important.

The way you're responding and the condescending " I know and you dont " buzz you're giving off is lolsy.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21746109 - 05/31/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hell for the sake of debate... To say something doesn't exist that could be different for each person...I don't know there's too many variables to argue one way or another.  Take for instance the act of hallucinating in general.  I can tell you I am tripping balls and everything is swaying and glowing but I can not pull you into my body and make you see what I see or feel what I feel.

In my experiences everyone trips different.  Some people are more sensitive than others.  Some people can eat seven grams like I did and probably not really trip that hard...doubt it but statistics say it could possibly happen.  Others can take two puffs of reg and branch out.  Also with variables such mood, setting, environmental factors and others that determine the type of trip it could be possible that some people have a much more intense experience than others.

Human beings themselves are variables.  As the saying goes...no two snow flakes are alike.  What I am getting at is maybe some of you haven't experienced ego death and therefore believe it isn't real...cause seeing is believing right? (You know what I mean).  But how can you personally judge personal experience, emotion, and thought?  Hell for all any of you know nobody here even trips.  But based upon evidence of stories I read I conclude that yes there are definitely some stoners here cause some experiences I can relate to.  Which I think the pro ego death people may be trying to convey is based upon their experiences of transention they validate others experiences.


Just my two cents.  Just food for thought


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: xthrx]
    #21746117 - 05/31/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Love is real as well. You can literally "see" what love is in the brain. It's like saying happiness doesn't exist, or sadness, or anger. But they all exist. It's an emotion, humans have labeled these things for thousands of years across thousands of languages.

Ego death is a relatively new term. It is not completely defined, but it is a term for describing the feeling of something intense and destructive happening on psychedelics. It's literally is dissolution of your own self. It's hard to explain because it happens so very seldom, and it is different intensities each time it happens. Just like you might be a little sad, or completely depressed. Just kinda pissed, or you're furious. Ego death is a wide range of experiences describing an occasionally common experience we obtain from psychedelics.


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Blazer420]
    #21746122 - 05/31/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Blazer420 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
ok then genius...tell me..

What is ego death?




One simply does not explain the type of feelings and dimensions that goes on during ego deaths, you just have to embrace it for yourself to understand.





Ok so then let me ask...how does one know for sure when they get this undefinable "Ego death" ??


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Achillita]
    #21746158 - 05/31/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Love is real as well. You can literally "see" what love is in the brain. It's like saying happiness doesn't exist, or sadness, or anger. But they all exist. It's an emotion, humans have labeled these things for thousands of years across thousands of languages.

Ego death is a relatively new term. It is not completely defined, but it is a term for describing the feeling of something intense and destructive happening on psychedelics. It's literally is dissolution of your own self. It's hard to explain because it happens so very seldom, and it is different intensities each time it happens. Just like you might be a little sad, or completely depressed. Just kinda pissed, or you're furious. Ego death is a wide range of experiences describing an occasionally common experience we obtain from psychedelics.




Well put mate


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: xthrx]
    #21746181 - 05/31/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

love may have been a bad example.

But ego death...no such thing. Sorry guys.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746200 - 05/31/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think its weird you dont love your wife lol


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746201 - 05/31/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Assuming your first grow was from spores, the potency is going to be hit or miss.

The most mushrooms I have ever ingested was 5 dry grams and it was sheer madness.

Generally 3.5 - 7 grams of good cubes will seriously fuck your shit up.

And ego death most certainly exists :shrug: I have genuinely experienced "death" on intense tryptamine rides before, ie no sense of existing in a human form / having an identity


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Re: Ate 7 grams of shrooms...wtf happened?? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21746239 - 05/31/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

Blazer420 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
ok then genius...tell me..

What is ego death?




One simply does not explain the type of feelings and dimensions that goes on during ego deaths, you just have to embrace it for yourself to understand.





Ok so then let me ask...how does one know for sure when they get this undefinable "Ego death" ??






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