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If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)?
#21742669 - 05/30/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I cannot figure this mystery out.
How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?
Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 3
#21742688 - 05/30/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ask jeeves
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21742692 - 05/30/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God is on psychedelics.
Time doesn't exist when you're tripping.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Psychonautica] 1
#21742696 - 05/30/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Time doesn't exist when you are tweaking. A day can go by in what feels like half an hour real time.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21742711 - 05/30/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said: I cannot figure this mystery out.
How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?
Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....
yeah the idea is that God is outside of our realm, so our minds cannot comprehend something that is eternal. God has no beginning and no end...its like a circle that has always been there. The circle can get bigger, more defined, more detailed..etc. but it cannot end or start. Just grow.
i know its impossible to understand and it seems like it makes no sense, but like i said that's because God is beyond space and time.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21742722 - 05/30/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I dont think I could ever comprehend it.
But Psychonautica* makes a good point about Psychedelics.
Maybe psychedelics super time dilation effect is God's metaphor of showing what Eternity could feel like, that time does not exist.
I also wonder if maybe God created other mini-Gods that control other Universes? Hmmm...
*Fixed
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 3
#21742726 - 05/30/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Yeah, I dont think I could ever comprehend it.
But BitterCactus makes a good point about Psychedelics.
Maybe psychedelics super time dilation effect is God's metaphor of showing what Eternity could feel like, that time does not exist.
I also wonder if maybe God created other mini-Gods that control other Universes? Hmmm...
Don't go down the hippy rabbit hole of wasting your time asking these types of questions. Just go grab a beer and hang out with friends and have a good time instead of worrying about stuff you will never know in your lifetime.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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because "eternal" is the true nature of reality. "time and space" as we perceive it are relative to our place within it and are based on the make-up of our existence (the life-cycle of biology/ the moon phases/ etc)
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Envix]
#21742758 - 05/30/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: But BitterCactus makes a good point about Psychedelics.
Does my name look like BitterCactus to you?
I made that point gosh darn it.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21742769 - 05/30/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry dude, Im kinda buzzed on a beer, I made a mistake. Let me fix that.
Ooops.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21742808 - 05/30/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if god is "the box that holds everything"
that box still exists when there is nothing.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21742823 - 05/30/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, I agree, but where did the box come from?
How can the box just always been there, with no creation of the said box.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21742844 - 05/30/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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well the box is conceptual. many things can be conceived of after they exist.
so the box isnt like a cardboard box, but a boundry layer... if something exists, its automatically in the box, if nothing exists then nothing is in the box, but its impossible for the box not to exist.
this is clearly not the christian god.
god can not exist. and be good. and create everything, if evil exists.
this is a logical impossibility.
however. there can be something that exists of which everything is a part (that box)
infact its impossible for that not to exist.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21742846 - 05/30/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its not any less absurb then the idea of everything having a beginning when you carefully consider what youre proposing. That something sprang from nothing, an omnipotent consciousness no less. I think its far more of a rational conclusion to just assume its always been here, or at least something has always existed in some way shape or form and the concept of nothingness is simply an ideological abberation with no true metric in reality. When you think about it, such a thing doesnt even exist here. Even outside of the bounds of this universe its generally assumed it just goes on, forever and ever.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21742870 - 05/30/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I asked Google, and I found this website.
It has definitely helped easy my burden of this bizarre possibility.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html
So the website talks about infinite regression, which is troublesome in itself.
Then it talks about two possibilities of God: God exists outside of Time. A hard thing to imagine. OR God exists in a two-dimensional plane of Time, where God can travel any direction in time.
I guess when I think about it, existing in a plane outside time sounds more likely then trying to figure out an infinite regression of "Who created God? Then who created that God?" Forever.
The lesser of two Evils, if you will
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#21742892 - 05/30/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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regression is awesome.
function dostuff(int stuff=0){
stuff = stuff+1;
dostuff(stuff);
}
when its done doing stuff... it does stuff again.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? *DELETED* [Re: rxb]
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#21742923 - 05/30/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said:
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LogicaL Chaos said: Yeah, I dont think I could ever comprehend it.
But BitterCactus makes a good point about Psychedelics.
Maybe psychedelics super time dilation effect is God's metaphor of showing what Eternity could feel like, that time does not exist.
I also wonder if maybe God created other mini-Gods that control other Universes? Hmmm...
Don't go down the hippy rabbit hole of wasting your time asking these types of questions. Just go grab a beer and hang out with friends and have a good time instead of worrying about stuff you will never know in your lifetime.
couldn't disagree more. That way of thinking is the philosophy of a fucking demon dick-sucking ignorant animal.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Sanguin3]
#21742926 - 05/30/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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well even to science time is just an observational construct.
it can be bent and changed.
measurements of time differ based on where you are in relationship to large objects.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Sanguin3]
#21742940 - 05/30/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The concept of God is just way too bizarre to me.
But I am enjoy the "fruits" of the Gods creation. Living is AWESOME. We are little Gods in this 4-dimensional reality! 
Thanks for the bizarre experience that is existence God
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21742943 - 05/30/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
now if you ask me this is just evidence that our simulation code has a bug 
but no matter how you look at it, time is subjective.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21743109 - 05/30/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simulation suck a chode!
Eat 300mg of MXE and simulate being a free floating god for gods sake and then we'll understand how perfectly bugged we are
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#21743786 - 05/31/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I cannot figure this mystery out.
How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?
Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....
Because God's not just beyond the laws of time and space, but also the rules of basic logic and reasoning.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#21743791 - 05/31/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#21743795 - 05/31/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21743808 - 05/31/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How can a man be outside of a mouth? Its because a mouth is entirely contained within a man, a part of him.
The same with God and time. Within God is encompassed all of time and because of that God is eternal, God transcends the limitation of time.
God is greater than the limits we see because God is all things, these limits, and beyond.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Asante]
#21743946 - 05/31/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eternity cannot be comprehended by the human mind. So even if i could explain it, nobody would understand anyway.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: stratocast]
#21744100 - 05/31/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God (an invisible woman that patrols outerspace, loves planet earth, spies on 7 billion humans simulatenously, loves humans (even though 30K children starve to death a day because she didn't design earth very well)), etc., is a primitive invention of early humans.
Back then they had no electricity, thought demons made you sick, life expectancy was less than 30, you were lucky to survive pregnancy, no running water, no agriculture, no such thing as paper, air conditioning, plumbing, etc. Anyone who lives in the modern age and thinks that these primitive humans were correct in believing that an invisible woman lives in the sky and secretly loves humans is a complete imbecile.
You guys don't think very deeply, any question that doesn't have an answer does not mean God did it. Or even worse, you just make something up, and boom! you have the answer.
- How can God not have a beginning? "Because God can".
- It takes 222 years to count 7 billion humans (at rate of 1/second). How can God watch all of us simultaneously while listening to prayers and answering them? "Because She is God."
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21744139 - 05/31/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think one of the biggest issues in understanding god, is the tendency to personify. It's natural to use our human condition as a reference point but it's just not what god is.
God is everything that is and isn't and every shade in between. The chaos, the perfection. I believe god is every blade of grass, every thought, everything.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#21744302 - 05/31/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Energy cannot be created or destroyed so I don't really believe anything has a beginning or end, only changes.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Asante]
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So, if God is outside of time, does God know all the entireity of time, into the future?
And how is that possible when humans have free will? Are we all that predictable that the future is known by God?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21744427 - 05/31/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nigga that's recursion not regression
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: fapjack]
#21744430 - 05/31/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Energy cannot be created or destroyed so I don't really believe anything has a beginning or end, only changes.
There ya go. Science!
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Sanguin3]
#21744449 - 05/31/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: Oh boy here we go…
I believe that God does know the future in its entirety, how could he not? As far as free will, knowing something will happen does not necessarily mean he caused it to happen. He could know what our decisions will be while still letting us choose. I can give my dog a choice between a vegetable and a steak and I know what he'll choose every time.
Where it gets iffy for me is does God create everyone with certain personalities and tendencies? If so you could argue he gives us certain traits to influence our decisions one way or another.
It does when he created it...
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#21744495 - 05/31/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhaps he's been living longer than you could even fathom? I dunno I'm agnostic and have read all the major books. I believe there are things that we can't even comprehend happening.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Enjoywho]
#21744500 - 05/31/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe there are things that you can't even comprehend not comprehending happening
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ModestMouse]
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ModestMouse said: I believe there are things that you can't even comprehend not comprehending happening
Agreed
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Theyre actually in the process of testing whether or not this is a simulation as we speak. The basic concept is that if it was a simulation its resolution wouldnt be perfect. Eventually the location of things would be lost in noise, which were working on detecting. Finding out that objects "edges" are only tracked to a finite degree and not exactly would have such far reaching implications that it would be blow anything weve discovered so far out of the water.
http://m.phys.org/news/2014-08-d-hologram-fermilab-nature-universe.html
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21744641 - 05/31/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: So, if God is outside of time, does God know all the entireity of time, into the future?
And how is that possible when humans have free will?
We do not have free will.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Confucian]
#21744735 - 05/31/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I donno what to tell you bub,
Either you've experienced some pico-truth or you're just flailing around wildly with some sort of logic trying to grasp how it could even exist.
And its obvious who is who
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
#21744813 - 05/31/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God is infinite. Maybe god is molecules and energy and everything else that became one and after so many years of existence has become conscious and started creating. Maybe the more god creates the more intelligent god becomes. What if god became god based on experience? Trial and error and what not. Truth is we will never know I've been wondering this all year especially after my salvia usage. Thinking about it too much is like a roller coaster that never ends. I start to not believe in god then I start to think there is no meaning to life and get depressed, then I can't believe that there is no god and have such faith. I think that even after we die we wont find out. Our physical bodies will become one with the planet and recycled and so will the energy that keeps us alive. Basically reincarnation but I doubt we will be conscious through it. If this is the case then that means all of us are basically gods because we are infinite beings and time is meaning less because we will have many lives to live.
Maybe god creates in order to understand it self...
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LiquidVisions] 2
#21744993 - 05/31/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the human brain is simply not capable of understanding the inner workings of the universe.
I know alot of you have had moments where you felt like you understood everything completely,(probably especially while under the influence) but its not something that can be put into words in my opinion.
our language really limits our ability to communicate certain concepts and i just feel like even if i knew the answers to these questions, i wouldn't be able to explain them in a way that fully paints the idea in someones head and in a way that i feel satisfied with.
The answers cant be told to someone, they have to be experienced to really be understood.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: MilkdudTitties]
#21745106 - 05/31/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good way to put it.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Enjoywho]
#21745137 - 05/31/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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think of it like this. the universe exists as eternal. our biological brains exist as temporary/transient structures within that eternal universe.
the universe exists to birth these structures into existence, as temporary expressions of ________________(whatever... life/matter/consciousness/energy/etc)
these expressions are temporary because of the physical laws of the universe. if you can imagine that the physical laws of the universe do not constitute the entirety of the universe, but are rather just an expression of an inherently multidimensional universe (existing beyond physicality-time/space), then it starts to make a lot more sense
if you see time/space as relative, then what really defines time/space is our relative measurement of it. fundamentally, the foundation of time/space is eternal and infinite - amidst the scope of the universe.
light is the fastest-moving thing in the physical universe, and yet the amount of time it would take for light to reach from one end of the universe to the other is actually longer than the existence of the universe. wrap that around your head. you can't because you don't perceive objective reality.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ModestMouse]
#21745263 - 05/31/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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regression is a necessary part of recursion
in this case we are talking about both... regression is to return to a previous state, and recursion is to create a previous state at the end of the current state
and i slipped because they were using it recursively in that time regression construct... but you cant have recursion without regression.
ultimately you are right tho i was thinking about the wrong term.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb] 1
#21745308 - 05/31/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If the universe exists how can it either be eternal or have had a beginning, implying there was a time of nothing and that something was born from it...
I personally think existence is a singularity and if you get into quantum physics and some more theoretical stuff like higher dimensions it makes sense.
On thing I have been thinking of lately is the possibility of higher dimensional life forms, we perceive reality as having 3 dimensions but why should it end there? Our perception limits us and if something else existed in a higher dimension we would be as ants to it. If "god" exists I guarantee he either is or exists within a higher dimension and I wouldn't be surprised if what would be "god" to us could just be an advanced being on a higher plain so to speak...
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
#21745332 - 05/31/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where does the stuff that shoots into a black hole go? I believe the black hole is the Big Bang, but on our end. As in our Big Bang was another universe's black hole. I believe we live in a multiverse.
And God is a circle, like the flower of life, no beginning and no end, a snake eating its tail is how they used to depict it in ancient mystical cultures.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21745336 - 05/31/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol, i didn't read any of the post and I'm sure this has been said many times but.........
the bible and god are totally fake. Is that the one part of the bible that's hard for you to figure out?
the entire thing is full of total shit.
I don't want to offend people that believe in god but I don't.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ShootinD5nukes]
#21745353 - 05/31/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jesus was a badass trancendental being fo sho though... they couldn't just make that shit up, they were too stuck in their crazy Christendom trips. He is alike to buddha etc.
And god told me you were just a part of him! So whose fake now, little projection image on the wall!
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Supachopped719]
#21745368 - 05/31/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Multiverse for real mayne.
Pretty sure I read an article recently saying that matter is retained inside black holes, they assumed matter would be destroyed entirely from the extreme gravity but they used some kind of sensor or some shit and realized there is still information left over from all the sucked up matter in black holes. I have thought more along the lines of them being "heaven" as far as a place "dead" matter resides until our universes eventual collapse. And if information is retained inside them it could be possible.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
#21745448 - 05/31/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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think of life itself, if it came from nowhere, then what started nowhere?
the "what" you get me?
something has to be eternal and yah... that's God
the reason your mind can't wrap itself around such a concept is because we're pitiful stupid little undeveloped ants that kill each other for fun basically think iraq nam pafganistan etc.
I think that mushrooms are our connection with God, they're absoultely incredible and there's just something divine about them
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
#21745452 - 05/31/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I definitely agree with you on this.
Current M-theory says that there could be 10 to 11 dimensions total in the Universe. I believe God must be at the highest dimension (10 or 11) or maybe beyond all dimensions, not sure yet.
If u believe there is a Holy "Kingdom" where God "lives", whatever that means, its likely in this higher dimensions (the 10th or 11th one).
Makes me wonder about dark matter and dark energy. I believe these strange, invisible forces/matter must be other dimensions "bleeding" into our 4-dimensions (3D space plus time).
Or maybe its another Universe "blending" into ours at the edge of our Universe. Still not sure on dark matter/energy, but thats my theory.
i still have yet to fully accept God being outside of a realm of time, with no intinal start, but i do accept God is outside the visible Universe. And since time and space are woven together, i guess it makes sense a little
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#21745485 - 05/31/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark matter is definitely an interesting part of it, especially with theories like the Rainbow Gravity one.
Makes sense there could also be "spectrum's" of matter overlaying each other that we would not be able to fully perceive if at all.
I think it would be crazy for their not to be more dimensions. Recently I have been wondering if some insects perceive the world as 2d being lower life forms of sorts. It seems silly to think that everything would exist and perceive the universe exactly how we do, especially with all the crazy thing science has been starting to prove or at least put out as possibilities.
It is basically impossible to think of something like "god" existing within our space time, would be much more likely we exist within its "realm".
Especially only being 3d beings, there is so much more room to grow...
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21745506 - 05/31/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I definitely agree with you on this.
Current M-theory says that there could be 10 to 11 dimensions total in the Universe. I believe God must be at the highest dimension (10 or 11) or maybe beyond all dimensions, not sure yet.
If u believe there is a Holy "Kingdom" where God "lives", whatever that means, its likely in this higher dimensions (the 10th or 11th one).
I've always found this hilariously idiotic coming from the scientific community.
"Oh yeah, there's x dimensions". Oh is there really? Can you show them all to me? Okay well you cant, can you explain them all to me? Okay you can up until you reach the 5th and then you're tripping over your own words.
The whole declaration of a numeric value of dimensions is asinine and scientifically autistic. They don't want to admit that we will never be able to view or discover every "dimension" in the universe and beyond, so they come up with a number based on beliefs about what might be going on behind the scenes.
IIRC nothing past the 4th dimension has any fundamental grounding in reality. The first 4 are shaky enough as it is, let's not pretend we know the limit.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ModestMouse]
#21745542 - 05/31/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hence why it is still part of "theoretical science" until proven...
If you really think about what dimensions are they make sense. Just being simpleminded 3 dimensional creatures the bigger the picture we look at the harder it is to grasp. Also if we are talking about the same 10 theoretical dimensions I have read up on there is the issue of there being more then infinity. Since at a certain point the infinity we exist within is made a single point onto the next plain along "other infinities"
I had trouble grasping that myself at first but it actually makes some sense.
Our universe had a specific starting point and will most likely have a specific end. Whose to say others haven't existed before or after or even along side our with other rules/ parameters allowing for an entirely new "infinity" to occur. As a human that is pretty damn hard to grasp but if you look the fractal like nature of life it makes sense to me at least
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
#21745545 - 05/31/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think that kind of science is hard to grasp because you need to twist your mind to fit it, and truths are simply and evidently apparent
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
#21745728 - 05/31/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think the trick is, life gets infinity smaller, and at the same time, infinity bigger. from "strings" and smaller, to massive planets, blackholes, universes, and then, even bigger.
then you have phases of reality from what we see, to what we can't see. For all we know planets and our universe are bacteria and we are all sitting in a fucking petri dish in some other reality
now back to god and your question op, maybe, just maybe, science worked first, and then god was created. as for the eternal part, if you really try to drive that home for some reason, then he's eternal because he can control time?
but that was the question i always had, if god created the universe then who created god, if he came from another universe who created that one, ect ect.
it all boils down to a few things, whereever god comes from, must be so different, so strange, that only there, does it make sense.
or, it was actually science that created it all, which still doesn't make sense to me, for something to "spontaniously" create, there must be "space" for that to happen, there must be energy for that to happen, there has to fucking be something, because if "spontanious" life or universe creation i mean happens, then why can't we see it happening here on earth? why can't we see it happening out in space?
if it is still happening in space, its happening so far away we can't see, going on the theory that the universe continues to expand, so god is out there at the edge, in theory?
i mean pretend earth is on the edge, and one side of us is nothing, then suddenly the edge is pushed back and the universe "expands bigger", there's still a problem, where the fuck do these new stars n shit come from? what fills in that expanded universe?
yet look around, look at space, something has been filling it up.
stars are gas, so in theory, gas is basically the start of a solar system, where the fuck is all this gas coming from? especially when you expand the universe, where is the extra gas coming from
its like, the universe isn't an "object", its alive, growing bigger, that makes the most sense to me, or a computer simulation. but see even if it was a computer simulation, all these questions would still apply to the real universe
here's a question, can you think of a way to create your "own" universe that actually makes sense on how it was made, whichout creating a "chicken or the egg" type situation that ours has?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21745979 - 05/31/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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here's a question, can you think of a way to create your "own" universe that actually makes sense on how it was made, whichout creating a "chicken or the egg" type situation that ours has?
thats exactly why the only real logical explaination, (even thou is hard to imagine), is God has always been around, somehow.
The whole Chicken or the Egg problem of figuring out when God came to exist, was there anything before it, is the real issue. Avoiding infinite regression is only solved by saying God is eternal without a beginning.
Its hard to think there is no Ultimate Timeline, as in a timeline for ALL events before, during and after the creation of the Universe.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#21746080 - 05/31/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well if we live in a multiverse than our dimension is only a small part within a huge fractal pattern of other dimensions. What interests me is what lies within the space beyond our space. A black hole for sure will allow us to see this. A black hole is nothing more than a tear in the fabric of our universe and this can possibly lead us to the other bubbles. Its like we are a small part of a giant system and the things out there are bigger than we can ever imagine. Something is happening out there and if we ever find out what it is we are in for the most psychedelic trip of our lives without the drugs.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21746095 - 05/31/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always thought about time being correlated with god. Time is essential to anything. Shit doesn't happen without time. Time basically doesn't exist, it's just a way to keep track of shit. Then you got how time is cyclical but then the displacement would always be 0 if that was true.
i always kind of thought about the universe as how halo 2 maps used to be setup. You'd have the world we are in now but if you found the glitch you could hang out in the infinite bullshit area but there was really no purpose because without the surround environment you don't have anything for the brain to reflect on.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Gorlax]
#21746290 - 05/31/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Multiple multiverses.
Now if that doesn't boggle the mind nothing will.
The best part Is that scientists say its probably that multiple multiverses exist.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746311 - 05/31/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rxb said: if god is "the box that holds everything"
that box still exists when there is nothing.
Yeah but what's outside the box? A Taco Bell?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21746312 - 05/31/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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even if multiple multiple multiple verses exist....
they are all in the box that holds everything
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21746319 - 05/31/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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man, it there are multiple collections of multiverses, and a Heaven dimension exists, then the Heaven Dimension must be SUPER crowded!
That would be insane if in the far far future, like 2000 years or more from now, Humans develop technology to travel into other Universes.
How crazy would that be?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21746324 - 05/31/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you know whats crazy, is that the box that holds everything always watches when you masturbate.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746328 - 05/31/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God doesn't exist -> Therefore no paradox -> Time is just an illusion of the current state of reality -> Events happen formed by matter which was formed by ?????? (God?) -> Paradox -> Nobody knows -> LOL at all human beings
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Uzziel]
#21746385 - 05/31/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is a box.
it holds everything.
it was here before everything.
when something got here, box was happy... box was finally full.
then there was more stuff, and box got its first consciousness
box liked having a consciousness.
then box saw, and box saw very neat things.
then box saw horrible things.
box saw everything.
then there was nothing, and box was sad.
and eventually there was something again.
box likes something better than nothing.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746397 - 05/31/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no time. Time is a conceptual illusion. nothing trully has a beginning or an end..
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21746404 - 05/31/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stardust said: There is no time. Time is a conceptual illusion. nothing trully has a beginning or an end..
that is true.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746417 - 05/31/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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and even tho there is no time. you can change things.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746426 - 05/31/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And if you say there is a "box" that hold everything.. then what holds the box? That is also part of this "everything" that you are talking about that is also somthing. This realm is limitless there are no boundaries how could there be? If anythin or everytjing is contained there has to be a container and that is a paradox because thats part of this everything.. the thing is that the universe contains its self. It expands into its self from itsels like an infaltable ballon wich is still just a 2 demintional interpretation.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21746429 - 05/31/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes everything is always changing. Nothing ever stays the same
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21746432 - 05/31/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the box is a concept that cant be held. the box which holds everything is in the box that holds everything. so that when that infinity gets crowded otherthings pop out like weasels.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746451 - 05/31/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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when this happens... there is a big bang... and eventually someone comes up with a theory.
what they dont know is that the person coming up with the theory is a tiny speck which makes up a tiny portion of a glint in the universe... which is just a blip on the box that holds everything because of its issue with holding itself.
i too hold myself, i do this to pay respect to the box that holds everything... and its dog.
the dog of the box that holds everything.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21746725 - 05/31/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Could a hyper-dimensional eternal being be a box?
Or would it be a hyper-box?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21746852 - 05/31/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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with the simulation theory, if we were in one, shouldn't, like at some point, the power should have went out by now? i mean even if you had access to alien power sources, shouldn't like, someone trip over a wire or something, you'd expect after however many millions of years, at some point, they would have fucked up some how and the power went out.
if it did, what would our experience of that feel like? what would we see?
earth would be the ultimate game tho right? think about it, spiders in the corners of your wall = them watching you
bugs n shit all a bunch of mini games
then politics, gov, war, economy
but then how would they access that to play i wonder, some people are fake? or are we the ones playing?
i guess the ultimate game would be the one you wouldn't know you were playing, to make it seem more real
why is it, that i feel like the box HAD to be created, and then whatever created it had to be created. every part of life, has a beginning and a end, everything is given birth and had parents of one form.
the beginning was most likely a stream of atoms or smaller, filling up the box. black holes suck things in, they must be sucking what our box created, and using it to fill a new box.
then there is dark matter, which can't be seen, its like dark matter is a bunch of tiny black holes almost
thing is, if a blackhole was the beginning of our box, being filled with atoms and such, how is our universe expanding? i guess the other side of a blackhole could be a bubble, and bubbles being filled would expand, but, the atoms would fill one area mostly right, so our universe would have a big clump of shit in one area
then the other thing is, why does our universe have so many other blackholes? wouldn't a new blackhole fuck us up and suck us out, i guess they are doing that slowly but i mean, its been a long time, why havn't we all been slowly sucked into them by now.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21746906 - 06/01/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well the way we experience life is definitely like a simulation. I read somewhere that life is actually 2d and we are wired to perceive it as a physical 3d dimensional realm but in actuality its not. Our eyes view and interpret images in the finest pixels ever and we are constantly viewing and interpreting things in our minds. If thats not a simulation then I don't know what is. If you've done high doses of any psychedelic you will know this as well. What we see isn't what is really here. How ever that does not mean that we all exist within an actual computer simulation like the theory states. It just means since our bodies are organic machines life to us is a virtual simulation. Take a dream for example while you are in it you swear that it is real and don't realize that it is fake until you wake up. Sometimes your body reacts to dreams as if they were real. There is a huge similarity between dreams and actual life. They're both a series of images interpreted by the brain.
Black holes are merely the result of massive stars that died. They create explosions so big and powerful that they leave tears in the fabric of the universe. They're holes in the box they're not responsible for the box in itself
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LiquidVisions] 1
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We'll find out eventually :P this is something I try not to get too hung up on.. it's fun to ponder, but really we won't know until we know. Spread good vibes & enjoy the ride!
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: The5thBeatle] 1
#21746962 - 06/01/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But what if life is a puzzle waiting to be "solved"
Definitely is good to not get hung up on some of the more ineffable mysteries of life though. Also very fun to ponder like you said.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
#21747100 - 06/01/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive thought about the simulation theory a couple times and well.. i mean who cares and if it is a simulation it doesnt really matter because that gives rise to a million more questions, life does feel like a simulation and actually science has proven that it has pretty much all the same properties of one.. if its a simulations all you gotta do is love it! Cause its damn good one. I personally dont believe it it but it doesnt matter to me either way. I while back after i watched a morgan freeman through the wormhole episode about it i was definitely botherd with the idea. Now i have found peace in love.. it overcomes all thos mind bending scary theorys we can so easily get hung up on.. All you gotta do is love
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21747489 - 06/01/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rxb said: there is a box.
it holds everything.
it was here before everything.
when something got here, box was happy... box was finally full.
then there was more stuff, and box got its first consciousness
box liked having a consciousness.
then box saw, and box saw very neat things.
then box saw horrible things.
box saw everything.
then there was nothing, and box was sad.
and eventually there was something again.
box likes something better than nothing.
Ur mom must have a big box
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21747742 - 06/01/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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rxb said: there is a box.
it holds everything.
it was here before everything.
when something got here, box was happy... box was finally full.
then there was more stuff, and box got its first consciousness
box liked having a consciousness.
then box saw, and box saw very neat things.
then box saw horrible things.
box saw everything.
then there was nothing, and box was sad.
and eventually there was something again.
box likes something better than nothing.
Ur mom must have a big box
my mom is your mom has an infinite box
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21747793 - 06/01/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if your mom went into his moms box, is it possible his mom could exit through your moms box?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21747834 - 06/01/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: if your mom went into his moms box, is it possible his mom could exit through your moms box?
i wouldnt have it any other way
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21748077 - 06/01/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I cannot figure this mystery out.
How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?
Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....
God doesn't exist so stop wasting your time trying to answer useless questions
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Patlal]
#21748095 - 06/01/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And you know this how?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Asante]
#21748130 - 06/01/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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To say the religious god doesn't exist, is almost definitely true and has a lot of logic and is IMO a pretty rational statement, to say there is no such thing as a higher power to all of this..is something no one can know...no matter how unlikely it seems...religion has twisted the idea of what God is...making such a thing seem impossible, when really it's just our perception of what we think god is that is wrong
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21748151 - 06/01/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly... but who decides who you are? Why are you you instead of me ? There are certain questions only a god like concept can answer. The religious god is a twisted idea but to say there is no such thing as a god to all this is a little to close minded to unserstand what is being asked..
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21748182 - 06/01/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some believers of simulation theory state that if the simulation was started, it will exist regardless of whether or not it stays on.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21748210 - 06/01/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thing is tho if you believe in a higher being, then it isn't that far fetched that he made contact at some time, and magically every country has a form of god, well most of them. and they all originated around the same time period.
the storys of each religion may be twisted, its almost impossible for it to not be twisted after so many years. but its possible contact was made. if something did create the universe, and us, it seems likely they would have visited us at least once, for lots of reasons.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ModestMouse]
#21748228 - 06/01/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Some believers of simulation theory state that if the simulation was started, it will exist regardless of whether or not it stays on.
why do they think it would stay on?
the only way it would stay on is if it wasn't a simulation, but an actual creation. like nano bots built the entire universe or something. i mean, i just don't see how a computer, or any form of a computer, could be powered forever. the greatest form of energy that we known of is suns, and even they burn out
back to the software side, i guess you could "save" the game per say. perhaps thats what sleep is
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21748251 - 06/01/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My logic for why God exists is based on what user Bill_Oreliey believes. In that God somehow put itself into being.
Its the same with life. I believe life evolved from primative bacteria billions of years ago in primal soups bubbling away right here on Earth.
And as life came into being on this perfectly-viable planet, God must have being born somehow from nothing. A weird concept, but as Bill puts it "God exists cause it wants to."
the problem is you can never prove the existance of God since God is outside our observable dimensions.
hence, u got to take a leap of Faith that a super-powerful being of some sort created the whole Universe (multiverse?) out of Love. Why did God create the Universe? Maybe God just wants to do something with Gods power in some physical, tangible way to express Itself. Who knows.
Sure, there is violence, famine, disease, death, suffering, saddness, pain, etc. Its not perfect here by any stretch, maybe all the problems of the world are for us to figure out. Maybe God created all those things on accident or are just unavoidable. I honestly dont know.
If you chose not to believe in God, thats totally fine with me. I just want to believe that all of this matter, time, space and experiences of this Universe has some kind thoughtful purpose behind it
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21748274 - 06/01/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the simulation is a perfect representation of reality.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21748297 - 06/01/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: thing is tho if you believe in a higher being, then it isn't that far fetched that he made contact at some time, and magically every country has a form of god, well most of them. and they all originated around the same time period.
the storys of each religion may be twisted, its almost impossible for it to not be twisted after so many years. but its possible contact was made. if something did create the universe, and us, it seems likely they would have visited us at least once, for lots of reasons.
If there is a god, that means he/she/it created us and every single thing in this universe, in that sense everything came from god, everything would be part of god, it would be far fetched for him to visit us, because it would only be an illusion that we would be separate from god, since we came from him, we are part of him, he would not need to visit us because we are all part of him...and he would be all of us.
This has a slight religious outlook but I only phrased it like that because you said it's possible religion has part of it and got twisted the rest of the way
Religious gods do not in anyway stem from the same time period....thousands of years apart even, and even newer ones that are somehow gaining credibility and in the future will have a lot of its bulls hit shrouded in mystery like today's major religions. Mormon ism and scientology being the main two that come to mind
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21748300 - 06/01/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with logical. Chaos
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21748313 - 06/01/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jesus has been dead for a long time, end of story.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21748323 - 06/01/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Some believers of simulation theory state that if the simulation was started, it will exist regardless of whether or not it stays on.
why do they think it would stay on?
the only way it would stay on is if it wasn't a simulation, but an actual creation. like nano bots built the entire universe or something. i mean, i just don't see how a computer, or any form of a computer, could be powered forever. the greatest form of energy that we known of is suns, and even they burn out
back to the software side, i guess you could "save" the game per say. perhaps thats what sleep is
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Innit this a mushroom site? Eat 4g+ and stop trying to rationalize such a topic
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Supachopped719]
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the whole of the universe is a subatomic particle in another simulation.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: Innit this a mushroom site? Eat 4g+ and stop trying to rationalize such a topic 
when you do you see the simulation for what it is.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21748351 - 06/01/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simulation bimulation, its a moot concept.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: Simulation bimulation, its a moot concept.
simulation is truth. so not completely mood, it simply doesnt matter that we are on in one because its exactly the same as the reality.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I don't know about that, how would you know? And what differentiates that from a dimension within a dimension? You would have to know the mind of that which made such possible to deem it a simulation or otherwise, because as you say - they are undifferential. So it seems moot until you know the answer of intention... or you can label it I suppose from a human standpoint whatever you want, but that's as I say moot
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
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the fact that its a simulation is a mathmatical truth.
the likelihood you are not in a simulation approaches 0 and thus can be calculated as 0
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
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right now we have simulations, ok ones, but not perfect.
eventually with enough computer power and machine written software we will have PERFECT simulations.
those simulations will simulate every aspect of time.
they will simulate existence and would seem exactly like reality.
the members of the simulation would react how they would and they would feel it is real.
the first REAL simulation would make your odds of being in a simulation 50/50
but every year there will be more and more simulations. going on forever.
so your odds of being in one increases. a lot.
in those perfect simulations there will BE simulations which eventually will also be perfect.
and those simulations will also run simulations.
forever.
so the odds of you being in "true reality" are smaller than hitting every lottery around the world at the same time you picked every winning horse in every horse race for 10 years straight with no losses and without cheating or skipping any lottery or horse race over that 10 years.
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How could you calculate the odds of that, you're saying because we can create simluations, and they will get better, that it is an impossibility for us not to be in one, unless I'm reading it wrong, and how can you have odds or statistics for something with nothing to compare to, this is the only universe or "simulation" we know of, so how can you know the odds of us being in one, if we don't have another for comparison, or any evidence to suggest we might be in one other then the fact we'll eventually be able to create almost perfect ones.
I'm not arguing your point, atm I just don't understand it.
Still seems way more complex then that, even if this was the "true reality", we don't even perceive reality for what it truly is, the light spectrum is massive, but our eyes are only capable of viewing certain wavelengths on the light spectrum, MOST light is invisible to us, so we don't get see the whole picture without the use of instruments we create, and that's only with our sight, I'm not even including the other four senses. So how can we understand reality when we can't even perceive reality for what it truly is.
People will never be able to comprehend the workings of god, when our brains aren't even capable of comprehending the sheer size of our galaxy, let alone the size of the universe.
One thing I think anyone can understand if they think about it enough, is there's way too much to this universe, for there not to be more to this universe. If that makes sense, and the only reason I think people would deny that, is because religion has twisted what our idea of god is, so people think it's a bunch of bullshit, when they're limiting their argument and idea of god to what's written in books passed down from antiquity, instead of realizing there is probably way more to the picture then a god who hates gays and whatever else is in it.
Truth about god won't come from words written on pages, of that much I'm sure.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
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I am familiar with the concept - but my personal experiences leave me unconvinced Just cause it could be that way - and that probability using our limited knowledge would deem it highly likely to be that way, doesn't mean it is... there is a lot that theorists cannot account for.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
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SSAL... we'd have to do it line by line i guess... and i gotta run errands but pm me, and i'll get back to you soon as i check back in
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
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I dont adhere in the Simulation Theory, because as you zoom out from the simulation, there has to be something "real" that is running the simulation.
Just like in The Matrix, Neo escaped the simulation and found himself in the real world, a dingy dark world ruled by very intelligent AI robots.
So if reality were a simulation, there has to be a non-simulated reality above it. i just cant believe in a simulated reality that doeesnt have a "true" reality that makes it exist.
Now to say matter, forces and space/time are simulated, sure it could be, but something real with all those things must be running the simulation. So my point is, something has to be real and tangiable at some point.
Goes back to infinite regressions, at some point, the simulation has to have a source.
And it goes into when we die, does the simulation end? Or do we "wake up" in the True, real Reality.
The observable Universe just seems way too complex to be a simulation. I mean, why make it so incredibly complex and enormous?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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maybe the point of the simulation is to determine who is worthy of the real reality
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21748880 - 06/01/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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answer is obvious god was created by super god
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
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Maybe consciousness creates matter, and god is all consciousness trying to understand his own imagination.
The brain, or consciousness, is what creates the reality of every single being that possesses it, from an ant, to a human, maybe we are god, just trying to figure out ourself.
You couldn't objectively say that reality exist outside of yourself, because when your consciousness shuts down, so does your reality, so maybe reality is fake, and consciousness is all that is real, and what makes existence possible, instead of existence making consciousness possible.
When you look at a rock, touch it, smell it, throw it and hear it fall, put it in your mouth and taste it, is that rock truly real? Or is that just your brain interpreting it as real, telling you there is something there, even if there really isn't.
If anyone is interested I'd elaborate, but I'll end with, does something exist, if nothing is around to be aware of it's existence? If there was zero life, zero conscious in the universe, would the universe still be a thing, since nothing would know of it? It's questions like that , that make me think consciousness is what makes existence, instead of existence making consciousness over time.
The fact other human beings (schizos) can have a different reality then me, is what first made me start thinking about this in depth, their reality, is just as real to them, as mine is to me, so how can I say their reality is wrong, but mine is correct? Solely because more people interpret reality in the same way as me? But how could I know any of those people are actually real, how do I know that I'm not a mental patient staring at a blank wall right now and just thinking I'm typing and reading all this. The brain clearly creates your reality, whether it be right or wrong one, so how can we say anything is real, other then the consciousness that is projecting it to us? I am, and that is all I can know, which makes me think god has something to do with consciousness more then anything else.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: I dont adhere in the Simulation Theory, because as you zoom out from the simulation, there has to be something "real" that is running the simulation.
Just like in The Matrix, Neo escaped the simulation and found himself in the real world, a dingy dark world ruled by very intelligent AI robots.
So if reality were a simulation, there has to be a non-simulated reality above it. i just cant believe in a simulated reality that doeesnt have a "true" reality that makes it exist.
Now to say matter, forces and space/time are simulated, sure it could be, but something real with all those things must be running the simulation. So my point is, something has to be real and tangiable at some point.
Goes back to infinite regressions, at some point, the simulation has to have a source.
And it goes into when we die, does the simulation end? Or do we "wake up" in the True, real Reality.
The observable Universe just seems way too complex to be a simulation. I mean, why make it so incredibly complex and enormous?
yes real vs starts the first simulation yes.
no one argues that.
escaping the matrix = smoke dmt and you will fucking see it.
you keep saying you dont believe in a place with no real version... i've talked about your odds of being in the real vs so obviously i believe in one.
the simulation reality is exactly like real reality. thats the point of a simulation to study reality.
in most simulation theory you die when you die here.
i believe that on the top level of simulation there is 1 thing, the box that holds everything, and fragments go down from there. the simulations are the same and i believe in a connection from real to simulation. but thats a very complex thing for a forum.
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it starts with energy. the origins of energy are beyond my comprehension.
energy spread out, until it fills all known space and then organizes itself into clusters.
those clusters constantly seek path to ground, but the longer energy goes without finding a path to ground the more complex it becomes.
if the energy was all in one agreement it would flow in one direction, but this isnt the best method for canvasing nDimentional space looking for a path to ground. so the energy grounds into opposing forces. and despite all being the same thing it appears to the casual observer to be positive and negative.
this is the first simulation. because it is a simulation of teams.
we seem to like teams too. deeeeply.
so then those teams must also branch off and the next level of simulation is created.
branching in every direction, every dimension
and so the illusion of time is created.
branching in every speed (energy vibrating at different speed in differnt clusters of energy makes different materials).
stars are formed and this in and of itself is a simulation.
but it ties back to 1 energy source. 1 thing.
planets, and water, and life branch off, forming everything we know and understand... and this too is just a simulation. we are all made of energy which has different vibration rates, which is clustered together made of more energy..and even solid rock is mostly empty space.
the clusters allow the energy to navigate space in relation to other clusters of energy.
somewhere along the way man is created.
and maybe intelligent life in other places.
man seeks to understand (after all man is intelligent and this desire is in the core of man)
in order to understand man builds simulations of the reality it understands...
man creates computer ai.
ai creates better computers.
better computers with ai create better ai.
that ai makes better simulations.
that ai makes better telescopes
that ai has a better understanding of the universe.
that ai makes better simulations.
eventually simulations are perfect representations of the universe. including representations of you.
eventually those simulations also make simulations, such that there are simulations in simulations forever.
its all just energy. even the deepest of simulations.
all information flows upwards
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
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But the huge "We don't fuggin' know" is - can a simulation generate true consciousness? All of the theory hinges on that complete unknown. It may act like it has consciousness but I believe there is a definite difference.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
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lol. it doesnt have to. it just has to make you think it did.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21749568 - 06/01/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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without consciousness who listens to the thoughts though?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
#21749572 - 06/01/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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it all flows back to the source.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21749591 - 06/01/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dat source definitely knows.
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well thats right... even at the lowest level of the simulation its still just the original energy divided again and again.
so the consciousness is the original energy.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21749742 - 06/01/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Machine Elves did it
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21749830 - 06/01/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So this consciousness at the Center of the simulation, is it God or humans? Or aliens?
If this reality is a simulation of EXTREME resolution (think quarks and electrons) than non-simulated reality must be nearly exactly the same?
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21749869 - 06/01/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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idk.
Law of psychics dictate that matter cannot be created or destroyed, and yet in one big boom everything was created out of nothing.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Janky Tits]
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: The Machine Elves did it
machine elves is a false name.
but they let us communicate with the creative force of the universe.
i call the box that holds everything "the universe"
which is universal in math terms, it is the universal set.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
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think about it........
what is the opposite of nothing?
EVERYTHING
what a concept. can you ever wrap your head around it? everything
can you really put a limit on that? beginning and ending? start and finish?
can you put a limit on nothing?
did you exist before you were born?
will you exist when your body decays?
so what makes you believe you exist now?
what is it about "you" that makes the universe different from how it was before "you" were here, and how it will be after "you" are gone?
beginnings and endings mean practically nothing in the scope of the universe, much less the multiverse. endings only beget other beginnings and in that sense is a continuous cycle of energy transfer and entropy
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21750143 - 06/01/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I cannot figure this mystery out.
How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?
Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: pirate-blues]
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pirate-blues said: idk.
Law of psychics dictate that matter cannot be created or destroyed, and yet in one big boom everything was created out of nothing.
The big bang theory only really states that matter expanded from a seeming single point insanely fast - not that it was necessarily created.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: Maybe consciousness creates matter, and god is all consciousness trying to understand his own imagination.
The brain, or consciousness, is what creates the reality of every single being that possesses it, from an ant, to a human, maybe we are god, just trying to figure out ourself.
You couldn't objectively say that reality exist outside of yourself, because when your consciousness shuts down, so does your reality, so maybe reality is fake, and consciousness is all that is real, and what makes existence possible, instead of existence making consciousness possible.
When you look at a rock, touch it, smell it, throw it and hear it fall, put it in your mouth and taste it, is that rock truly real? Or is that just your brain interpreting it as real, telling you there is something there, even if there really isn't.
If anyone is interested I'd elaborate, but I'll end with, does something exist, if nothing is around to be aware of it's existence? If there was zero life, zero conscious in the universe, would the universe still be a thing, since nothing would know of it? It's questions like that , that make me think consciousness is what makes existence, instead of existence making consciousness over time.
The fact other human beings (schizos) can have a different reality then me, is what first made me start thinking about this in depth, their reality, is just as real to them, as mine is to me, so how can I say their reality is wrong, but mine is correct? Solely because more people interpret reality in the same way as me? But how could I know any of those people are actually real, how do I know that I'm not a mental patient staring at a blank wall right now and just thinking I'm typing and reading all this. The brain clearly creates your reality, whether it be right or wrong one, so how can we say anything is real, other then the consciousness that is projecting it to us? I am, and that is all I can know, which makes me think god has something to do with consciousness more then anything else.
quantum physics basically proves this...
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
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Oh lol I didn't know that.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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Yeah shit has been getting pretty crazy in the quantum science world. They are trying to prove all sorts of stuff its awesome.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
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yeah dude i just watched a Neil Degrasse show on netflix about the subatomic world and basically it was talking about how quantum physics says that until you perceive something it doesn't really exist.. Albert Einstein also talks about this and labels it along with other experimental theorys under his term for quantum mechanics "spooky business" I think thats such a greats way to put it.. quantum physics is freaky shit, especially if you think of yourself being nothing but atoms controled by this "spooky" mechanics ... he also has a quote somewhere.. Idk exactly how it goes but basically he says he doesn't want to believe in quantum physics because he likes to think that the moon is still there even when hes not looking at it..
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SirShroomsAlott said: Oh lol I didn't know that.
heres the quote from Einstein that goes along with basically exactly what your saying https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ce/29/08/ce29088036450fc4012f4f490e14b13e.jpg
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
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Yeah I really like that whole theory, and how it ties into string theory and possible dimension models, like the 1-st -10th one which I am somewhat familiar with.
There is some crazy aspects to quantum physics for sure, I could see why people have a hard time understanding and or don;t want to believe in parts of it.
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yeah haha i try to explain it to my mom and shes basically just like.. fuck that! id say yeah string theory is very interesting but almost even more mind boggling and like you said makes people have a hard time believing in it.. to think the universe is made of these tiny little "string" things is insane.. but i guess not any crazier then the atom and the fact that we are 90 percent space and reality is merely an illusion we will never truly be able to grasp.. anyways Sring theory has 10,11 or even 26 dimensions depending on which of the five versions of string theory you are talking about. However, all five versions were unified into M-Theory in 1996. but on the other hand most string theorist believe there are 11 dimensions.. 10 spacial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21751378 - 06/02/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ed witten i think thats who it was did a PBS special over this and basically proved that for string theory to exist there has to be 11 dimensions.. and that the other 4 theory cant exist if string theory is actually true.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
#21751416 - 06/02/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I will have to do some more reading tomorrow as I am still getting into it, the 11th dimension has me pretty intrigued.
So tired and now though, I can't even discuss this stuff I agree with everything you just said though
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
#21751511 - 06/02/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do think it's cool that I totally th ought of that myself haha it was news to me that it was old news though haha plus I probably didn't explain it as accurately as Neil does
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21751515 - 06/02/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol none of this is explained exactly like ed or neil... but thats ok.
the creative force of the universe laughs because no one has it exactly right not even ed or neil.
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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
#21753205 - 06/02/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what i find so confusing is how some forces are interchangable.
Like mass + velocity can create a sort of gravitional force (for example, rollercoasters).
Then gravity bends both space and time. Insane! Bend time. Bizarre.
Then u got atomic scale with quantum physics and the basic nature of all particles is unpredictablility.
Ive heard that the reason why quantum particles are hard to figure out is because the act of measuring the velocity of a given particle, using a laser for example, changes its direction, so u know speed but not where it was going.
Its like these particles are so sensitive to even the most minor of energy. Amazing stuff.
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