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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead] * 1
    #21749638 - 06/01/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well thats right... even at the lowest level of the simulation its still just the original energy divided again and again.

so the consciousness is the original energy.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21749742 - 06/01/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The Machine Elves did it


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21749830 - 06/01/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So this consciousness at the Center of the simulation, is it God or humans? Or aliens?

If this reality is a simulation of EXTREME resolution (think quarks and electrons) than non-simulated reality must be nearly exactly the same?


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21749869 - 06/01/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

idk.

Law of psychics dictate that matter cannot be created or destroyed, and yet in one big boom everything was created out of nothing.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #21749908 - 06/01/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
The Machine Elves did it




machine elves is a false name.

but they let us communicate with the creative force of the universe.

i call the box that holds everything "the universe"

which is universal in math terms, it is the universal set.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21749937 - 06/01/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

think about it........

what is the opposite of nothing?

EVERYTHING

what a concept. can you ever wrap your head around it? everything

can you really put a limit on that? beginning and ending? start and finish?

can you put a limit on nothing?

did you exist before you were born?

will you exist when your body decays?

so what makes you believe you exist now?

what is it about "you" that makes the universe different from how it was before "you" were here, and how it will be after "you" are gone?

beginnings and endings mean practically nothing in the scope of the universe, much less the multiverse. endings only beget other beginnings and in that sense is a continuous cycle of energy transfer and entropy


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21750143 - 06/01/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I cannot figure this mystery out.

How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?

Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....




A 4th dimensional being bro


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21750237 - 06/01/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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idk.

Law of psychics dictate that matter cannot be created or destroyed, and yet in one big boom everything was created out of nothing.



The big bang theory only really states that matter expanded from a seeming single point insanely fast - not that it was necessarily created. :wink:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21750486 - 06/01/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe consciousness creates matter, and god is all consciousness trying to understand his own imagination.

The brain, or consciousness, is what creates the reality of every single being that possesses it, from an ant, to a human, maybe we are god, just trying to figure out ourself.

You couldn't objectively say that reality exist outside of yourself, because when your consciousness shuts down, so does your reality, so maybe reality is fake, and consciousness is all that is real, and what makes existence possible, instead of existence making consciousness possible.

When you look at a rock, touch it, smell it, throw it and hear it fall, put it in your mouth and taste it, is that rock truly real? Or is that just your brain interpreting it as real, telling you there is something there, even if there really isn't.

If anyone is interested I'd elaborate, but I'll end with, does something exist, if nothing is around to be aware of it's existence? If there was zero life, zero conscious in the universe, would the universe still be a thing, since nothing would know of it? It's questions like that , that make me think consciousness is what makes existence, instead of existence making consciousness over time.

The fact other human beings (schizos) can have a different reality then me, is what first made me start thinking about this in depth, their reality, is just as real to them, as mine is to me, so how can I say their reality is wrong, but mine is correct? Solely because more people interpret reality in the same way as me? But how could I know any of those people are actually real, how do I know that I'm not a mental patient staring at a blank wall right now and just thinking I'm typing and reading all this. The brain clearly creates your reality, whether it be right or wrong one, so how can we say anything is real, other then the consciousness that is projecting it to us? I am, and that is all I can know, which makes me think god has something to do with consciousness more then anything else.





quantum physics basically proves this...


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
    #21750504 - 06/01/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh lol I didn't know that.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21750583 - 06/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah shit has been getting pretty crazy in the quantum science world. They are trying to prove all sorts of stuff :crazy2: its awesome.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751300 - 06/02/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah dude i just watched a Neil Degrasse show on netflix about the subatomic world and basically it was talking about how quantum physics says that until you perceive something it doesn't really exist.. Albert Einstein also talks about this and labels it along with other experimental theorys under his term for quantum mechanics "spooky business" I think thats such a greats way to put it.. quantum physics is freaky shit, especially if you think of yourself being nothing but atoms controled by this "spooky" mechanics ... he also has a quote somewhere.. Idk exactly how it goes but basically he says he doesn't want to believe in quantum physics because he likes to think that the moon is still there even when hes not looking at it..


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21751307 - 06/02/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh lol I didn't know that.




heres the quote from Einstein that goes along with basically exactly what your saying

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ce/29/08/ce29088036450fc4012f4f490e14b13e.jpg


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
    #21751328 - 06/02/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I really like that whole theory, and how it ties into string theory and possible dimension models, like the 1-st -10th one which I am somewhat familiar with.

There is some crazy aspects to quantum physics for sure, I could see why people have a hard time understanding and or don;t want to believe in parts of it.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751373 - 06/02/15 03:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah haha i try to explain it to my mom and shes basically just like.. fuck that!
id say yeah string theory is very interesting but almost even more mind boggling and like you said makes people have a hard time believing in it..
to think the universe is made of these tiny little "string" things is insane.. but i guess not any crazier then the atom and the fact that we are 90 percent space and reality is merely an illusion we will never truly be able to grasp.. anyways Sring theory has 10,11 or even 26 dimensions depending on which of the five versions of string theory you are talking about. However, all five versions were unified into M-Theory in 1996. but on the other hand most string theorist believe there are 11 dimensions.. 10 spacial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
    #21751378 - 06/02/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ed witten i think thats who it was did a PBS special over this and basically proved that for string theory to exist there has to be 11 dimensions.. and that the other 4 theory cant exist if string theory is actually true.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Stardust]
    #21751416 - 06/02/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I will have to do some more reading tomorrow as I am still getting into it, the 11th dimension has me pretty intrigued.

So tired and :stoned: now though, I can't even discuss this stuff :lol: I agree with everything you just said though :thumbup:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751511 - 06/02/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do think it's cool that I totally th ought of that myself haha it was news to me that it was old news though haha plus I probably didn't explain it as accurately as Neil does


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21751515 - 06/02/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol none of this is explained exactly like ed or neil... but thats ok.

the creative force of the universe laughs because no one has it exactly right :smile: not even ed or neil.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21753205 - 06/02/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what i find so confusing is how some forces are interchangable.

Like mass + velocity can create a sort of gravitional force (for example, rollercoasters).

Then gravity bends both space and time. Insane! Bend time. Bizarre.

Then u got atomic scale with quantum physics and the basic nature of all particles is unpredictablility.

Ive heard that the reason why quantum particles are hard to figure out is because the act of measuring  the velocity of a given particle, using a laser for example, changes its direction, so u know speed but not where it was going.

Its like these particles are so sensitive to even the most minor of energy. Amazing stuff.


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