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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21748335 - 06/01/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the whole of the universe is a subatomic particle in another simulation.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21748340 - 06/01/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Innit this a mushroom site? Eat 4g+ and stop trying to rationalize such a topic :lol:




when you do you see the simulation for what it is.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21748351 - 06/01/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Simulation bimulation, its a moot concept.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21748357 - 06/01/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Simulation bimulation, its a moot concept.




simulation is truth. so not completely mood, it simply doesnt matter that we are on in one because its exactly the same as the reality.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21748372 - 06/01/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know about that, how would you know? And what differentiates that from a dimension within a dimension? You would have to know the mind of that which made such possible to deem it a simulation or otherwise, because as you say - they are undifferential. So it seems moot until you know the answer of intention... or you can label it I suppose from a human standpoint whatever you want, but that's as I say moot :tongue:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21748388 - 06/01/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the fact that its a simulation is a mathmatical truth.

the likelihood you are not in a simulation approaches 0 and thus can be calculated as 0


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21748422 - 06/01/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

right now we have simulations, ok ones, but not perfect.

eventually with enough computer power and machine written software we will have PERFECT simulations.

those simulations will simulate every aspect of time.

they will simulate existence and would seem exactly like reality.

the members of the simulation would react how they would and they would feel it is real.

the first REAL simulation would make your odds of being in a simulation 50/50

but every year there will be more and more simulations. going on forever.

so your odds of being in one increases. a lot.

in those perfect simulations there will BE simulations which eventually will also be perfect.

and those simulations will also run simulations.


forever.

so the odds of you being in "true reality" are smaller than hitting every lottery around the world at the same time you picked every winning horse in every horse race for 10 years straight with no losses and without cheating or skipping any lottery or horse race over that 10 years.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb] * 1
    #21748521 - 06/01/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How could you calculate the odds of that, you're saying because we can create simluations, and they will get better, that it is an impossibility for us not to be in one, unless I'm reading it wrong, and how can you have odds or statistics for something with nothing to compare to, this is the only universe or "simulation" we know of, so how can you know the odds of us being in one, if we don't have another for comparison, or any evidence to suggest we might be in one other then the fact we'll eventually be able to create almost perfect ones.

I'm not arguing your point, atm I just don't understand it.

Still seems way more complex then that, even if this was the "true reality", we don't even perceive reality for what it truly is, the light spectrum is massive, but our eyes are only capable of viewing certain wavelengths on the light spectrum, MOST light is invisible to us, so we don't get see the whole picture without the use of instruments we create, and that's only with our sight, I'm not even including the other four senses. So how can we understand reality when we can't even perceive reality for what it truly is.

People will never be able to comprehend the workings of god, when our brains aren't even capable of comprehending the sheer size of our galaxy, let alone the size of the universe.

One thing I think anyone can understand if they think about it enough, is there's way too much to this universe, for there not to be more to this universe. If that makes sense, and the only reason I think people would deny that, is because religion has twisted what our idea of god is, so people think it's a bunch of bullshit, when they're limiting their argument and idea of god to what's written in books passed down from antiquity, instead of realizing there is probably way more to the picture then a god who hates gays and whatever else is in it.

Truth about god won't come from words written on pages, of that much I'm sure.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21748527 - 06/01/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am familiar with the concept - but my personal experiences leave me unconvinced :shrug: Just cause it could be that way - and that probability using our limited knowledge would deem it highly likely to be that way, doesn't mean it is... there is a lot that theorists cannot account for.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21748553 - 06/01/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SSAL... we'd have to do it line by line i guess... and i gotta run errands but pm me, and i'll get back to you soon as i check back in


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21748751 - 06/01/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dont adhere in the Simulation Theory, because as you zoom out from the simulation, there has to be something "real" that is running the simulation.

Just like in The Matrix, Neo escaped the simulation and found himself in the real world, a dingy dark world ruled by very intelligent AI robots.

So if reality were a simulation, there has to be a non-simulated reality above it. i just cant believe in a simulated reality that doeesnt have a "true" reality that makes it exist.

Now to say matter, forces and space/time are simulated, sure it could be, but something real with all those things must be running the simulation. So my point is, something has to be real and tangiable at some point.

Goes back to infinite regressions, at some point, the simulation has to have a source.

And it goes into when we die, does the simulation end? Or do we "wake up" in the True, real Reality.

The observable Universe just seems way too complex to be a simulation. I mean, why make it so incredibly complex and enormous?


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21748875 - 06/01/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

maybe the point of the simulation is to determine who is worthy of the real reality


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21748880 - 06/01/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

answer is obvious
god was created by super god


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21748946 - 06/01/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe consciousness creates matter, and god is all consciousness trying to understand his own imagination.

The brain, or consciousness, is what creates the reality of every single being that possesses it, from an ant, to a human, maybe we are god, just trying to figure out ourself.

You couldn't objectively say that reality exist outside of yourself, because when your consciousness shuts down, so does your reality, so maybe reality is fake, and consciousness is all that is real, and what makes existence possible, instead of existence making consciousness possible.

When you look at a rock, touch it, smell it, throw it and hear it fall, put it in your mouth and taste it, is that rock truly real? Or is that just your brain interpreting it as real, telling you there is something there, even if there really isn't.

If anyone is interested I'd elaborate, but I'll end with, does something exist, if nothing is around to be aware of it's existence? If there was zero life, zero conscious in the universe, would the universe still be a thing, since nothing would know of it? It's questions like that , that make me think consciousness is what makes existence, instead of existence making consciousness over time.

The fact other human beings (schizos) can have a different reality then me, is what first made me start thinking about this in depth, their reality, is just as real to them, as mine is to me, so how can I say their reality is wrong, but mine is correct? Solely because more people interpret reality in the same way as me? But how could I know any of those people are actually real, how do I know that I'm not a mental patient staring at a blank wall right now and just thinking I'm typing and reading all this. The brain clearly creates your reality, whether it be right or wrong one, so how can we say anything is real, other then the consciousness that is projecting it to us? I am, and that is all I can know, which makes me think god has something to do with consciousness more then anything else.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21749321 - 06/01/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I dont adhere in the Simulation Theory, because as you zoom out from the simulation, there has to be something "real" that is running the simulation.

Just like in The Matrix, Neo escaped the simulation and found himself in the real world, a dingy dark world ruled by very intelligent AI robots.

So if reality were a simulation, there has to be a non-simulated reality above it. i just cant believe in a simulated reality that doeesnt have a "true" reality that makes it exist.

Now to say matter, forces and space/time are simulated, sure it could be, but something real with all those things must be running the simulation. So my point is, something has to be real and tangiable at some point.

Goes back to infinite regressions, at some point, the simulation has to have a source.

And it goes into when we die, does the simulation end? Or do we "wake up" in the True, real Reality.

The observable Universe just seems way too complex to be a simulation. I mean, why make it so incredibly complex and enormous?




yes real vs starts the first simulation yes.

no one argues that.

escaping the matrix = smoke dmt and you will fucking see it.

you keep saying you dont believe in a place with no real version... i've talked about your odds of being in the real vs so obviously i believe in one.

the simulation reality is exactly like real reality. thats the point of a simulation to study reality.

in most simulation theory you die when you die here.

i believe that on the top level of simulation there is 1 thing, the box that holds everything, and fragments go down from there. the simulations are the same and i believe in a connection from real to simulation. but thats a very complex thing for a forum.

-end reply-

it starts with energy. the origins of energy are beyond my comprehension.

energy spread out, until it fills all known space and then organizes itself into clusters.

those clusters constantly seek path to ground, but the longer energy goes without finding a path to ground the more complex it becomes.

if the energy was all in one agreement it would flow in one direction, but this isnt the best method for canvasing nDimentional space looking for a path to ground. so the energy grounds into opposing forces. and despite all being the same thing it appears to the casual observer to be positive and negative.

this is the first simulation. because it is a simulation of teams.

we seem to like teams too. deeeeply.

so then those teams must also branch off and the next level of simulation is created.

branching in every direction, every dimension

and so the illusion of time is created.

branching in every speed (energy vibrating at different speed in differnt clusters of energy makes different materials).

stars are formed and this in and of itself is a simulation.

but it ties back to 1 energy source. 1 thing.

planets, and water, and life branch off, forming everything we know and understand... and this too is just a simulation. we are all made of energy which has different vibration rates, which is clustered together made of more energy..and even solid rock is mostly empty space.

the clusters allow the energy to navigate space in relation to other clusters of energy.

somewhere along the way man is created.

and maybe intelligent life in other places.

man seeks to understand (after all man is intelligent and this desire is in the core of man)

in order to understand man builds simulations of the reality it understands...

man creates computer ai.

ai creates better computers.

better computers with ai create better ai.

that ai makes better simulations.

that ai makes better telescopes

that ai has a better understanding of the universe.

that ai makes better simulations.

eventually simulations are perfect representations of the universe. including representations of you.

eventually those simulations also make simulations, such that there are simulations in simulations forever.

its all just energy. even the deepest of simulations.

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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21749495 - 06/01/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But the huge "We don't fuggin' know" is - can a simulation generate true consciousness? All of the theory hinges on that complete unknown. It may act like it has consciousness but I believe there is a definite difference.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21749552 - 06/01/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol. it doesnt have to. it just has to make you think it did.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21749568 - 06/01/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: without consciousness who listens to the thoughts though?


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21749572 - 06/01/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it all flows back to the source.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21749591 - 06/01/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dat source definitely knows.


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