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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Confucian]
    #21744735 - 05/31/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I donno what to tell you bub,

Either you've experienced some pico-truth or you're just flailing around wildly with some sort of logic trying to grasp how it could even exist.

And its obvious who is who :snub:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21744813 - 05/31/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

God is infinite. Maybe god is molecules and energy and everything else that became one and after so many years of existence has become conscious and started creating. Maybe the more god creates the more intelligent god becomes. What if god became god based on experience? Trial and error and what not. Truth is we will never know I've been wondering this all year especially after my salvia usage. Thinking about it too much is like a roller coaster that never ends. I start to not believe in god then I start to think there is no meaning to life and get depressed, then I can't believe that there is no god and have such faith. I think that even after we die we wont find out. Our physical bodies will become one with the planet and recycled and so will the energy that keeps us alive. Basically reincarnation but I doubt we will be conscious through it. If this is the case then that means all of us are basically gods because we are infinite beings and time is meaning less because we will have many lives to live.

Maybe god creates in order to understand it self...


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LiquidVisions] * 2
    #21744993 - 05/31/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think the human brain is simply not capable of understanding the inner workings of the universe.

I know alot of you have had moments where you felt like you understood everything completely,(probably especially while under the influence) but its not something that can be put into words in my opinion.

our language really limits our ability to communicate certain concepts and i just feel like even if i knew the answers to these questions, i wouldn't be able to explain them in a way that fully paints the idea in someones head and in a way that i feel satisfied with.

The answers cant be told to someone, they have to be experienced to really be understood.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #21745106 - 05/31/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good way to put it.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21745137 - 05/31/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

think of it like this. the universe exists as eternal. our biological brains exist as temporary/transient structures within that eternal universe.

the universe exists to birth these structures into existence, as temporary expressions of ________________(whatever... life/matter/consciousness/energy/etc)

these expressions are temporary because of the physical laws of the universe. if you can imagine that the physical laws of the universe do not constitute the entirety of the universe, but are rather just an expression of an inherently multidimensional universe (existing beyond physicality-time/space), then it starts to make a lot more sense


if you see time/space as relative, then what really defines time/space is our relative measurement of it. fundamentally, the foundation of time/space is eternal and infinite - amidst the scope of the universe.

light is the fastest-moving thing in the physical universe, and yet the amount of time it would take for light to reach from one end of the universe to the other is actually longer than the existence of the universe. wrap that around your head. you can't because you don't perceive objective reality.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #21745263 - 05/31/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

regression is a necessary part of recursion

in this case we are talking about both... regression is to return to a previous state, and recursion is to create a previous state at the end of the current state

and i slipped because they were using it recursively in that time regression construct... but you cant have recursion without regression.

ultimately you are right tho i was thinking about the wrong term.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb] * 1
    #21745308 - 05/31/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If the universe exists how can it either be eternal or have had a beginning, implying there was a time of nothing and that something was born from it...

I personally think existence is a singularity and if you get into quantum physics and some more theoretical stuff like higher dimensions it makes sense.

On thing I have been thinking of lately is the possibility of higher dimensional life forms, we perceive reality as having 3 dimensions but why should it end there? Our perception limits us and if something else existed in a higher dimension we would be as ants to it. If "god" exists I guarantee he either is or exists within a higher dimension and I wouldn't be surprised if what would be "god" to us could just be an advanced being on a higher plain so to speak...


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21745332 - 05/31/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where does the stuff that shoots into a black hole go? I believe the black hole is the Big Bang, but on our end. As in our Big Bang was another universe's black hole. I believe we live in a multiverse.

And God is a circle, like the flower of life, no beginning and no end, a snake eating its tail is how they used to depict it in ancient mystical cultures.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21745336 - 05/31/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol, i didn't read any of the post and I'm sure this has been said many times but.........

the bible and god are totally fake.  Is that the one part of the bible that's hard for you to figure out?

the entire thing is full of total shit.

I don't want to offend people  that believe in god but I don't.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ShootinD5nukes]
    #21745353 - 05/31/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus was a badass trancendental being fo sho though... they couldn't just make that shit up, they were too stuck in their crazy Christendom trips. He is alike to buddha etc.

And god told me you were just a part of him! So whose fake now, little projection image on the wall! :haha:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21745368 - 05/31/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Multiverse for real mayne.

Pretty sure I read an article recently saying that matter is retained inside black holes, they assumed matter would be destroyed entirely from the extreme gravity but they used some kind of sensor or some shit and realized there is still information left over from all the sucked up matter in black holes. I have thought more along the lines of them being "heaven" as far as a place "dead" matter resides until our universes eventual collapse. And if information is retained inside them it could be possible.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21745448 - 05/31/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

think of life itself, if it came from nowhere, then what started nowhere?

the "what" you get me?

something has to be eternal and yah... that's God

the reason your mind can't wrap itself around such a concept is because we're pitiful stupid little undeveloped ants that kill each other for fun basically think iraq nam pafganistan etc.

I think that mushrooms are our connection with God, they're absoultely incredible and there's just something divine about them


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21745452 - 05/31/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely agree with you on this.

Current M-theory says that there could be 10 to 11 dimensions total in the Universe. I believe God must be at the highest dimension (10 or 11) or maybe beyond all dimensions, not sure yet.

If u believe there is a Holy "Kingdom" where God "lives", whatever that means, its likely in this higher dimensions (the 10th or 11th one).

Makes me wonder about dark matter and dark energy. I believe these strange, invisible forces/matter must be other dimensions "bleeding" into our 4-dimensions (3D space plus time).

Or maybe its another Universe "blending" into ours at the edge of our Universe. Still not sure on dark matter/energy, but thats my theory.

i still have yet to fully accept God being outside of a realm of time, with no intinal start, but i do accept God is outside the visible Universe. And since time and space are woven together, i guess it makes sense a little :shrug:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21745485 - 05/31/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dark matter is definitely an interesting part of it, especially with theories like the Rainbow Gravity one.

Makes sense there could also be "spectrum's" of matter overlaying each other that we would not be able to fully perceive if at all.

I think it would be crazy for their not to be more dimensions. Recently I have been wondering if some insects perceive the world as 2d being lower life forms of sorts. It seems silly to think that everything would exist and perceive the universe exactly how we do, especially with all the crazy thing science has been starting to prove or at least put out as possibilities.

It is basically impossible to think of something like "god" existing within our space time, would be much more likely we exist within its "realm".

Especially only being 3d beings, there is so much more room to grow...


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21745506 - 05/31/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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I definitely agree with you on this.

Current M-theory says that there could be 10 to 11 dimensions total in the Universe. I believe God must be at the highest dimension (10 or 11) or maybe beyond all dimensions, not sure yet.

If u believe there is a Holy "Kingdom" where God "lives", whatever that means, its likely in this higher dimensions (the 10th or 11th one).






I've always found this hilariously idiotic coming from the scientific community.

"Oh yeah, there's x dimensions".
Oh is there really? Can you show them all to me? Okay well you cant, can you explain them all to me? Okay you can up until you reach the 5th and then you're tripping over your own words.

The whole declaration of a numeric value of dimensions is asinine and scientifically autistic. They don't want to admit that we will never be able to view or discover every "dimension" in the universe and beyond, so they come up with a number based on beliefs about what might be going on behind the scenes.

IIRC nothing past the 4th dimension has any fundamental grounding in reality. The first 4 are shaky enough as it is, let's not pretend we know the limit.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #21745542 - 05/31/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hence why it is still part of "theoretical science" until proven...

If you really think about what dimensions are they make sense. Just being simpleminded 3 dimensional creatures the bigger the picture we look at the harder it is to grasp. Also if we are talking about the same 10 theoretical dimensions I have read up on there is the issue of there being more then infinity. Since at a certain point the infinity we exist within is made a single point onto the next plain along "other infinities"

I had trouble grasping that myself at first but it actually makes some sense.

Our universe had a specific starting point and will most likely have a specific end. Whose to say others haven't existed before or after or even along side our with other rules/ parameters allowing for an entirely new "infinity" to occur. As a human that is pretty damn hard to grasp but if you look the fractal like nature of life it makes sense to me at least :shrug:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21745545 - 05/31/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think that kind of science is hard to grasp because you need to twist your mind to fit it, and truths are simply and evidently apparent :shrug:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: twighead]
    #21745728 - 05/31/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i think the trick is, life gets infinity smaller, and at the same time, infinity bigger. from "strings" and smaller, to massive planets, blackholes, universes, and then, even bigger.


then you have phases of reality from what we see, to what we can't see.  For all we know planets and our universe are bacteria and we are all sitting in a fucking petri dish in some other reality


now back to god and your question op, maybe, just maybe, science worked first, and then god was created.  as for the eternal part, if you really try to drive that home for some reason, then he's eternal because he can control time?


but that was the question i always had, if god created the universe then who created god, if he came from another universe who created that one, ect ect.


it all boils down to a few things, whereever god comes from, must be so different, so strange, that only there, does it make sense.


or, it was actually science that created it all, which still doesn't make sense to me, for something to "spontaniously" create, there must be "space" for that to happen, there must be energy for that to happen, there has to fucking be something, because if "spontanious" life or universe creation i mean happens, then why can't we see it happening here on earth?  why can't we see it happening out in space?


if it is still happening in space, its happening so far away we can't see, going on the theory that the universe continues to expand, so god is out there at the edge, in theory? 


i mean pretend earth is on the edge, and one side of us is nothing, then suddenly the edge is pushed back and the universe "expands bigger", there's still a problem, where the fuck do these new stars n shit come from?  what fills in that expanded universe?


yet look around, look at space, something has been filling it up.


stars are gas, so in theory, gas is basically the start of a solar system, where the fuck is all this gas coming from? especially when you expand the universe, where is the extra gas coming from


its like, the universe isn't an "object", its alive, growing bigger, that makes the most sense to me, or a computer simulation.  but see even if it was a computer simulation, all these questions would still apply to the real universe


here's a question, can you think of a way to create your "own" universe that actually makes sense on how it was made, whichout creating a "chicken or the egg" type situation that ours has?


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21745979 - 05/31/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

here's a question, can you think of a way to create your "own" universe that actually makes sense on how it was made, whichout creating a "chicken or the egg" type situation that ours has?




thats exactly why the only real logical explaination, (even thou is hard to imagine), is God has always been around, somehow.

The whole Chicken or the Egg problem of figuring out when God came to exist, was there anything before it, is the real issue. Avoiding infinite regression is only solved by saying God is eternal without a beginning.

Its hard to think there is no Ultimate Timeline, as in a timeline for ALL events before, during and after the creation of the Universe.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21746080 - 05/31/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well if we live in a multiverse than our dimension is only a small part within a huge fractal pattern of other dimensions. What interests me is what lies within the space beyond our space. A black hole for sure will allow us to see this. A black hole is nothing more than a tear in the fabric of our universe and this can possibly lead us to the other bubbles. Its like we are a small part of a giant system and the things out there are bigger than we can ever imagine. Something is happening out there and if we ever find out what it is we are in for the most psychedelic trip of our lives without the drugs.


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