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If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)?
    #21742669 - 05/30/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I cannot figure this mystery out.

How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?

Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #21742688 - 05/30/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ask jeeves


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21742692 - 05/30/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

God is on psychedelics.

Time doesn't exist when you're tripping.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21742696 - 05/30/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Time doesn't exist when you are tweaking. A day can go by in what feels like half an hour real time.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21742711 - 05/30/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
I cannot figure this mystery out.

How can God have no beginning? How can God be outside of time completely?

Can someone explain how this is possible, cause this question is really bothering me....





yeah the idea is that God is outside of our realm, so our minds cannot comprehend something that is eternal. God has no beginning and no end...its like a circle that has always been there. The circle can get bigger, more defined, more detailed..etc. but it cannot end or start. Just grow.

i know its impossible to understand and it seems like it makes no sense, but like i said that's because God is beyond space and time.


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21742722 - 05/30/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I dont think I could ever comprehend it.

But Psychonautica* makes a good point about Psychedelics.

Maybe psychedelics super time dilation effect is God's metaphor of showing what Eternity could feel like, that time does not exist.

I also wonder if maybe God created other mini-Gods that control other Universes? Hmmm...

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Edited by LogicaL Chaos (05/30/15 09:21 PM)


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #21742726 - 05/30/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, I dont think I could ever comprehend it.

But BitterCactus makes a good point about Psychedelics.

Maybe psychedelics super time dilation effect is God's metaphor of showing what Eternity could feel like, that time does not exist.

I also wonder if maybe God created other mini-Gods that control other Universes? Hmmm...




Don't go down the hippy rabbit hole of wasting your time asking these types of questions. Just go grab a beer and hang out with friends and have a good time instead of worrying about stuff you will never know in your lifetime.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21742748 - 05/30/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

because "eternal" is the true nature of reality. "time and space" as we perceive it are relative to our place within it and are based on the make-up of our existence (the life-cycle of biology/ the moon phases/ etc)


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Envix]
    #21742758 - 05/30/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
But BitterCactus makes a good point about Psychedelics.





Does my name look like BitterCactus to you?


I made that point gosh darn it.  :mad2:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21742769 - 05/30/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

sorry dude, Im kinda buzzed on a beer, I made a mistake. Let me fix that.

Ooops.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21742808 - 05/30/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if god is "the box that holds everything"

that box still exists when there is nothing.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: rxb]
    #21742823 - 05/30/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I agree, but where did the box come from?

How can the box just always been there, with no creation of the said box.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21742844 - 05/30/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well the box is conceptual. many things can be conceived of after they exist.

so the box isnt like a cardboard box, but a boundry layer... if something exists, its automatically in the box, if nothing exists then nothing is in the box, but its impossible for the box not to exist.

this is clearly not the christian god.

god can not exist. and be good. and create everything, if evil exists.

this is a logical impossibility.

however. there can be something that exists of which everything is a part (that box)

infact its impossible for that not to exist.


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Edited by rxb (05/30/15 09:38 PM)


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21742846 - 05/30/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its not any less absurb then the idea of everything having a beginning when you carefully consider what youre proposing. That something sprang from nothing, an omnipotent consciousness no less. I think its far more of a rational conclusion to just assume its always been here, or at least something has always existed in some way shape or form and the concept of nothingness is simply an ideological abberation with no true metric in reality. When you think about it, such a thing doesnt even exist here. Even outside of the bounds of this universe its generally assumed it just goes on, forever and ever.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21742870 - 05/30/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I asked Google, and I found this website.

It has definitely helped easy my burden of this bizarre possibility.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html

So the website talks about infinite regression, which is troublesome in itself.

Then it talks about two possibilities of God: God exists outside of Time. A hard thing to imagine. OR God exists in a two-dimensional plane of Time, where God can travel any direction in time.

I guess when I think about it, existing in a plane outside time sounds more likely then trying to figure out an infinite regression of "Who created God? Then who created that God?" Forever.

The lesser of two Evils, if you will :strokebeard:


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21742892 - 05/30/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

regression is awesome.

function dostuff(int stuff=0){

stuff = stuff+1;

dostuff(stuff);

}

when its done doing stuff... it does stuff again.


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    #21742917 - 05/30/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #21742923 - 05/30/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Yeah, I dont think I could ever comprehend it.

But BitterCactus makes a good point about Psychedelics.

Maybe psychedelics super time dilation effect is God's metaphor of showing what Eternity could feel like, that time does not exist.

I also wonder if maybe God created other mini-Gods that control other Universes? Hmmm...




Don't go down the hippy rabbit hole of wasting your time asking these types of questions. Just go grab a beer and hang out with friends and have a good time instead of worrying about stuff you will never know in your lifetime.





couldn't disagree more. That way of thinking is the philosophy of a fucking demon dick-sucking ignorant animal.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Sanguin3]
    #21742926 - 05/30/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well even to science time is just an observational construct.

it can be bent and changed.

measurements of time differ based on where you are in relationship to large objects.


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Re: If God exists, how can God be Eternal (without a beginning)? [Re: Sanguin3]
    #21742940 - 05/30/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The concept of God is just way too bizarre to me.

But I am enjoy the "fruits" of the Gods creation. Living is AWESOME. We are little Gods in this 4-dimensional reality! :smile:

Thanks for the bizarre experience that is existence God :wink:


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