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Bitten off more than I can chew
    #21742419 - 05/30/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Alright so I believe I have bitten off more than I can chew. I started my first grow using panelous cyanesus, I started with this breed because the person that taught me to grow said they were "easy". This is at least my second attempt to get them to colonize the first round of substrate. If I may I would like to explain what I do for the first round of colonization before I move the cultured BRF and verm into Jars of rye berries and later into casings. I have an array of questions based on what I understand from the shroomery PF teks. Do I have the ratios correct, am i doing too much cloning,is there something I can do to stimulate growth?

First off I utilize a combination of BRF, vermiculite, bee pollen,water, and manure to produce my original substrate. I mix them at a ratio of 4:8:1:4:2 respectively. This produces enough for 20 half pint jars, filled 3/4 full. Then I top the jars off with a mixture of 3/4 verm and fine cut pine shavings ( used because straw was recommended, but I have wood lover shrooms,and pine shavings have more surface area). I then pc the jars at 12psi or 80kpa for 2 hours. Next comes inculcation, I have poked 4 holes in the lids of the mason jars and flipped the lids over. I inculcate through these holes.
In my first 2 grows I had simply covered the lid with aluminum afterwards, placed the lid ring on and set them in my incubator for up to 2 weeks. I have learned that this does not allow enough airflow so I covered 3 of the holes with durapore tape and the 4th with a clear self healing silicant. I still have the remanants of the last grow in the jars but it doesn't seem to be colonizing and I'm afraid of contaminants. So my first question would be 1) should I just start over entirely?
Second, is my incubator helping or even necessary? It's very hard to keep the humidity above 50% unless the lid is closed and airflow is reduced. So which is more helpful, humidity or airflow ?
Lastly, I haven't even made it to the later colonization stages, but I have studied bulk casing bags and still air boxes. Is it correct to move the colonized pan cyans to rye jars and then bulk casings, or just to bulk casing bags. Does anybody have any tips or things I should keep in mind?


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: Tharevrenddoctorwu]
    #21742434 - 05/30/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea you arent following the PF Tek whatsoever tho..Not sure where you got that PF Tek recipe. Never heard of people using bee pollen or pine shavings:shrug:


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: mushmagic]
    #21742558 - 05/30/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using pine shavings as a replacement for straw. My thinking was this; chemically they should be very similar to pine shavings, I'm growing wood lover shrooms, and the wood material is more recommended for bulk casing bags, which are supposed to be straw, manure,water, and verm, At a 2:2:1:1. This way if it's not wet, but sterilized, the pine shavings are acting as a casing layer that's supposed to protect the substrate from bacteria. They don't serve much of a purpose in the actual colonization process besides from protection.
That leads me to the use of bee pollen. I can remove this from my list any time. The first pftek I read stated that bee pollen was used to help protect from outside contamination. I haven't seen it in any pftek since then so I've been skeptical about it, but I did find the tek on this site. Pollen is just readily available around where I live and is commonly used by growers to help their crops thrive against the dry air and altitude.

What should I change then?


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: Tharevrenddoctorwu]
    #21742694 - 05/30/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pine has a natural fungicide doesn't it?


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: mush madness]
    #21742750 - 05/30/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Panaeolus cyans are not wood lovers they prefer manure. Psilocybe cyans are the ones that prefer hardwoods. I would personally just suggest that you do a bit more research on this site yourself before jumping in. The search engine in the top right corner will be your bestfriend.


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: mush madness]
    #21742826 - 05/30/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Forget everything you have learned, you have been severely misinformed.

First, we do not use pf cakes for spawn they will produce mushrooms on there own. these are very easy teks for beginners to folllow. But you must follow these teks to a "T". Except for the glove box in the first tek, just leave the gloves detatched from the box.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

You should first learn how to grow Psilocybe cubensis since they are very noob friendly.  If I were you, I would start off with a variety of cubensis such as B+ or mexicube. These variety of cubensis are very easy to grow and will produce in less than favorable conditions which is good for someone just learning what mushrooms need to grow.

Hope this will help you along your journey. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask the community any questions that you may have, we're all here to help.


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: insanemike]
    #21742874 - 05/30/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It doesnt really matter so much about wat variety of cube you get tho but rather the genetics of the different strains (or single strain if its a monoculture) present within the mycelium and fruiting conditions.


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: mushmagic]
    #21742896 - 05/30/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I understand what you are saying. But my intentions were merely to instill some confidence and steer him away from varieties such as ksss and the many pe when first learning to cultivate because they can be very finicky.


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: insanemike]
    #21742914 - 05/30/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Idk they seem to be pretty much just about as easy as any other cube I've done. Maybe a bit slower and more mutated sometimes but never really more difficult when it comes to growing:shrug:


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: mushmagic]
    #21742942 - 05/30/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I'm not going to flood this thread with an argument over something so minute. If you don't have anything informative to add to this thread that will help OP, perhaps you should move along.


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Re: Bitten off more than I can chew [Re: insanemike]
    #21742990 - 05/30/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Who was arguing? I was just stating my personal experience. It was not my intention to offend anyone.. So you mean to tell me my above posts (Both before and after you came into the conversation) were ill-informed?


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