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HelloEvo
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What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction?
#21741285 - 05/30/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't get it. I'm following the "easy caapi extraction" tek to the tee and nothing precipitates when I basify. I've ordered from two different sources (one was ebay but 1000+ reviews claiming product was good) and still nothing. The water doesn't glow under blacklight after boils or in ethanol, whereas my syrian rue glows bright green as soon as it hits ethanol. Has anyone had a similar problem?
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: HelloEvo]
#21742552 - 05/30/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm actually having the same issue as you with some red Caapi. I ordered a pound from a good vendor so i know it's good vine, brewed up the entire pound, reduced it down, added some vinegar, added some washing soda and nothing precipitated. I've been given the suggestion that maybe i reduced it down too much (800mls) and that it was too concentrated so to dilute it and try again, but even when i diluted it nothing precipitated out except for the sediment, so idk.
I hope someone can help us with this, as this was going to be my first time with Caapi, but apparently it's not meant to be, at least the Rue is easy as pie to extract from though.
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: Sabnock]
#21743269 - 05/30/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The thing is I don't even know if what I have is active and I'm just messing it up or if it's inactive all together. The ebay listing said it's supposed to glow in water, but it doesn't glow whatsoever. It's times like these I wish I paid more attention in chemistry.
The funny thing is the plant sediment looks just like harmalas even before I basify. I know they're not harmalas because they've been there since the boils and they don't dissolve in the water after you acidify a second time (to make the harmalas water soluble and to get rid of the plant matter). It's just crazy that it's easier for me to get good acacia/mimosa which are illegal but finding good caapi is like finding a needle in a haystack...I even got rue from a middle eastern store down the street for next to nothing. Check out the pics of the plant sediment that look like harmalas:
EDIT: both my attempts were with red caapi as well.
Edited by HelloEvo (05/31/15 01:11 AM)
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: HelloEvo]
#21744196 - 05/31/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Extracting caapi is a complete waste of time and not as simple as rue. Extract syrian rue, it's way cheaper and super under rated. Just drink caapi when you are lucky enough to have vine.
The main reason people usually want to extract is they think it will avoid the nausea. This is mostly BS, even pure harmalas will cause nausea at psychedelic doses. Drinking the sediment of a brew can make it worse, but it's impossible to tease apart why that is, since there is so many active harmalas in it.
Source: I've taken each hundreds of times.
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The extraction is for changa. I'm not one to drink the stuff. I think I know my problem, and that is that what I used was b. Muricata which is sometimes sold as red caapi, but it doesn't have harmalas. I wouldn't call extracting caapi a waste of time. Rue is a pain in the ass to extract then separate harmine from harmaline, it takes a couple days and from everything I read caapi is far superior and much more 'gentle'.
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: HelloEvo]
#21744315 - 05/31/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It will light up like a beacon under UV (blacklight) if there's even just a bit of harmala in the solution. You're doing something wrong if it doesn't appear like this in a dark room with blacklight:

Same exact solution filtered off - but depicted in white light:

What exactly did you do that ended up in failure?
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: HelloEvo]
#21744322 - 05/31/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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HelloEvo said: I don't get it. I'm following the "easy caapi extraction" tek to the tee and nothing precipitates when I basify. I've ordered from two different sources (one was ebay but 1000+ reviews claiming product was good) and still nothing. The water doesn't glow under blacklight after boils or in ethanol, whereas my syrian rue glows bright green as soon as it hits ethanol. Has anyone had a similar problem?
Given what you've written here, your "caapi" is bunk, and the reports that say otherwise are just folks experiencing placebo effects - which CAN be quite profound. Objective proof of harmala alkaloids in solution is SO EASY because it fluoresces. If it doesn't glow BRIGHT you did something wrong or your starting material is/was bunk.
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: Nature Boy]
#21744371 - 05/31/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Banisteriopsis Muricata has harmalas, but analysis from the Nexus showed pretty much just harmine. Many there have reported it to be rather weak though generally. But it might not have even been muricata. You never know with vendors until you identify the vine yourself and/or test it.
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: HelloEvo]
#21744377 - 05/31/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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HelloEvo said: The extraction is for changa. I'm not one to drink the stuff. I think I know my problem, and that is that what I used was b. Muricata which is sometimes sold as red caapi, but it doesn't have harmalas. I wouldn't call extracting caapi a waste of time. Rue is a pain in the ass to extract then separate harmine from harmaline, it takes a couple days and from everything I read caapi is far superior and much more 'gentle'.
Why bother separating harmine from harmaline, especially if your just using it for changa anyways?
Yea if it didn't fluoresce then it might just be bunk.
The main reason people say caapi is more gentle and not as harsh is because rue is like 50x as potent and it's easy to take too much, whereas most people take comparatively ant-sized doses of caapi. Rue also tastes even worse then caapi and smells odd. All this, and the hype about ayahuasca, has given rue a bad name.
And if your extracting for changa then none of this matters anyways since you'll just have the pure harmalas...In a blind study I highly doubt you'd be able to tell the different between changa with caapi alkaloids and changa with rue alkaloids given that there was a relatively similar amount in each.
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^^^^ Which is all the more reason to learn how to do a Manske extraction. I agree that there is no need (unless for academic purposes) to crash out the harmine separately from the harmaline.
But working with harmala alkaloids without all the nasty uterotoxic and nausea-inducing components is a BIG plus. That way, if you get nausea or vomit, you know it's dose-related, because as someone previously pointed out, even PURE harmala alkaloids will make you if you ingest too much.
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: Nature Boy]
#21744821 - 05/31/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I want to separate because I don't like harmaline at all. It's just a preference thing. I checked the basified solution today and there's some white stuff that settled, I have no clue what they are because they're not harmalas, no glow whatsoever. Could be excess lye or something, even though I made sure it was completely dissolved before adding it you just never know...I'll probably end up throwing everything away and starting over, hopefully I can find a better source because it's getting to be ridiculous.
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Re: What am I doing wrong with caapi extraction? [Re: Nature Boy]
#22582246 - 11/27/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dear Friend,
I extracted 10 kilo of caapi with about 60 gr of sodium carbonate. I hope you can help me out. I am having difficulties drying the last humidity out of the extract.
I tried putting it in the oven on low heat or just letting it sit. But it has been a week now and still I am far from there.
I would like to add some pictures but I do not see how to do this. Sorry I am new to this forum.
Thank you very much,
Wouter
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