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OfflineRebelutionsssss
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Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight
    #21741272 - 05/30/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:aweyeah: how much should I take? What's a good price for it? What's everyone else's experience?

Nervous but very excited just like with every other psychedelic :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21741288 - 05/30/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you smoke weed, sandwich a pinch.

Get the feel for it before you try a breakthrough.

Don't expect too much if you're going for one though, they can be tricky because it's a body load that's going to be alien to you. After a while it's like home.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21741349 - 05/30/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good luck!!
The price is whatever your willing to pay for it. I've heard so low as $40 a gram, and Ive heard it going for $300 a gram. Both outrageous to pay once you've extracted your own of course.

But for a first time just put a big pile on some bud and rip that shit. Breakthrough or not, it's not Reall your choice the first few times. I've watched people take half a hit and pass out and others smoke more than I would smoke and then Sit there with their eyes open and big smiles.

I feel like dmt is different than most other psychedelics in that you have to learn how to do it effectively. You gotta learn how to light it right, then learn how to hold it in right. Then there are some techniques to use to increase your odds of a breakthrough. Such as dark silence, laying down, meditation before hand. Everyone has their own way so have fun figuring this one out.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21741365 - 05/30/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The first time I smoked it was at a music festival last year, the guy had it sandwiched between some hash and I just toasted it with a lighter until I got a good hit

I remember holding it for like half a minute then upon the exhale the world began to morph and fractalize everything became extremely vivid and I kinda just leaned back in my chair and melted into the visuals for a few minutes

When I came back to reality I felt extremely peaceful and euphoric for the rest of the weekend

Ahhhh good times


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21741453 - 05/30/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't like my DMT experiences. I did ti 3 times in one day and never really got it to work. The first time I didnt the same dose my friend did to get blasted off and fought the trip and nothing really happened. 2nd time I didn't about triple that because they wanted to shut me and all my shit talking up. Fought the trip again and just existed in a confused playdough world for like 5 minutes. 3rd and final time that night I was starting to drift away then freaked out because I didn't think I had the time to trip :facepalm:

TL;DR

DMT is too scary for me I fight the trip every time and have a very lame experience.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Lizard Eyes]
    #21741520 - 05/30/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That happened to me on shrooms once! I was supposed to work at 10pm the next day and it was getting late. I just couldn't figure out that time stuff.

I was like, "I have to work today.. but it's night time.. There's only one night time, am I supposed to be at work!?" :dudewtf:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21741555 - 05/30/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Smoke it while taking a shit
It'll show you that the way to live is to always be shitting


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: psychodelia]
    #21741578 - 05/30/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

itll be amazing!!! Congratulations, brother!:thumbup:

Do however much you want bro :rocket: :smile:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: WeAreAnchors] * 2
    #21741699 - 05/30/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

u gotta listen to shpongle or it won't work right


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21741757 - 05/30/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Start low for your first time as everyone reacts differently.

How do other psychs effect you generally? If an 18th of mushrooms is not too intense for you generally I would start at maybe 15-30mg to get a taste then move up slowly.

As others have said prices can vary a ton, around here grams go for 50-100$ generally for a wide range of quality product.

I personally find cannabis distracts from the experience for me but that only matters if I am really trying to get into it and I prefer eating it anyways :shrug:

Everyone is different so just keep an open mind and prepare yourself.

I generally get pre blastoff jitters/ anxiety but they almost always go away as soon as it starts, and I get similiar anxiety from other psychs.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21741765 - 05/30/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't dip your toes in do way to fuckin' much blast off man!!!

Just remember you're on drugs don't let the Elves convince you otherwise.

Remember what the door mouse said.  Feed your head!


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21741927 - 05/30/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't dip your toes in do way to fuckin' much blast off man!!!

Just remember you're on drugs don't let the Elves convince you otherwise.

Remember what the door mouse said.  Feed your head!





Agreed! There is no "testing the waters" with DMT. It's more like go big or go home. There is nothing to fear once you take 50mg, the more you take the easier it is to give in to the experience.

A gram of DMT would usually cost me $50 if they were charging, but I have gotten free grams as well from friends.

As someone said earlier, you feel really nice and at ease after a DMT blastoff, almost euphoric but still subtle in aftereffect.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21741954 - 05/30/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If I were you I'd just get a meth pipe and put the DMT in there and roll the 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock.

IMO I have never even done DMT but sandwhiching it in a weed pipe sounds like such a waste. If you do the meth pipe thing zero is wasted.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21741981 - 05/30/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That works well too


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 2
    #21741983 - 05/30/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
:aweyeah: how much should I take? What's a good price for it? What's everyone else's experience?

Nervous but very excited just like with every other psychedelic :seriousthumbsup:




If you have to pay with cash, it probably isn't legitimate....


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Shiithead]
    #21741992 - 05/30/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lolwut:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21741995 - 05/30/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another thing you could do is take a test tube and the plug and drill a hole in the plug. Put a straw or something in the hole and put your dmt in the bottom of the tube. Then you can vape it.

Another thing that works is putting several pipe screens in a pipe (like 3 or 4) and then put your DMT on top. Put another 4 or so screens on top of the DMT and wallah, you can now vaporize your spice very easily. Hold the flame slightly elevated above the top screens and inhale. 

Do not use the same pipe you smoke herb out of. DMT is one of the most nasty smelling chemicals out there (moth balls/burned plastic but sweeter) and it will ruin any pipe it goes in to.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Shiithead]
    #21741996 - 05/30/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is that you, Bill?


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21742001 - 05/30/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is that you Satan?

It's me, shiithead.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Shiithead]
    #21742005 - 05/30/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Deahtiihs, niaga uoy ees ot ecin. :devil:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21742011 - 05/30/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hail Satan


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21742015 - 05/30/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deahtiihs, niaga uoy ees ot ecin. :devil:






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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Shiithead]
    #21742048 - 05/30/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:laugh2:

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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21744398 - 05/31/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So did you try it Rebel?


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21744424 - 05/31/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If I were you I'd just get a meth pipe and put the DMT in there and roll the 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock.

IMO I have never even done DMT but sandwhiching it in a weed pipe sounds like such a waste. If you do the meth pipe thing zero is wasted.



You would be correct. I can break through on 30mg with a meth pipe while I see kids putting anywhere from 60 to excess of 100mg of DMT to break through sandwiching it.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #21744454 - 05/31/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The healthstone is the most efficient way I've found of smoking the spice.

I picked up a couple from a head shop for $5 a piece. You just put it in your bong bowl and it's perfect. Just smoke like you would some weed. No waste. You can also use a bong with a fritted disc to smooth the vapor for you so it's so smooth you even wonder if you took a hit at all.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: D.M.T]
    #21744611 - 05/31/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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If I were you I'd just get a meth pipe and put the DMT in there and roll the 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock.

IMO I have never even done DMT but sandwhiching it in a weed pipe sounds like such a waste. If you do the meth pipe thing zero is wasted.



You would be correct. I can break through on 30mg with a meth pipe while I see kids putting anywhere from 60 to excess of 100mg of DMT to break through sandwiching it.




Ya like if you were trying to smoke meth and sandwhich it in a weed bowl that would be such a waste. I bet the same thing applies to dmt.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21744629 - 05/31/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My problem with the meth pipe has always been set & setting. When I tried using a meth pipe the couple times I did it make me feel like a druggie, instead of someone partaking in a spiritual journey.
I'm sure other people can get past that, I mean I used to smoke a bit of meth before and it would just bring about those old memories.

I also hated having that pipe around the house, in case anyone found it, it was hard enough explaining DMT. Try explaining that your meth pipe isn't a meth pipe.

Also try taking that third hit without burning it while your halfway in hyperspace, the meth pipe takes skill that you quickly lose as your losing your vision lol.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21744943 - 05/31/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah don't fuck with building "The Machine" or whatever the hell the Nexus calls that jerry-rigged piece of shit.

Take a bong, load in a small amount of weed, sprinkle the dmt, and then put weed on top of it. Now rip it hard twice or thrice and hold that shit. POW!

Edit: do without the tunes, they detract from it.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21744961 - 05/31/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My problem with the meth pipe has always been set & setting. When I tried using a meth pipe the couple times I did it make me feel like a druggie, instead of someone partaking in a spiritual journey.
I'm sure other people can get past that, I mean I used to smoke a bit of meth before and it would just bring about those old memories.

I also hated having that pipe around the house, in case anyone found it, it was hard enough explaining DMT. Try explaining that your meth pipe isn't a meth pipe.

Also try taking that third hit without burning it while your halfway in hyperspace, the meth pipe takes skill that you quickly lose as your losing your vision lol.



when using a meth pipe, instead of using a lighter, hold it over a candle flame. less chance of burning your fingers, and also more ritualisticy...

easier to control the pipe with an extra hand as well, especially when you start experiencing time flipping


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Envix]
    #21745603 - 05/31/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Just got back from my festival trip!! I'm fucking dead :facepalm3:

Rolled and did coke Friday and Saturday and took acid and dmt on Sunday :thumbup:




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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21745623 - 05/31/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When I break through I can't feel my fingers, so I don't really care if it burns or not. Flesh could be sizzling, cracking and popping and I wouldn't know.

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My problem with the meth pipe has always been set & setting. When I tried using a meth pipe the couple times I did it make me feel like a druggie, instead of someone partaking in a spiritual journey.




I don't let other people's stigmas against drugs bother me. How can you even eat mushrooms like that?

But I'm slightly afraid of needles so I don't IV DMT, and I don't care to stick anything up my ass or nose, so.. I guess there are ROAs I'm prejudice against myself.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: D.M.T]
    #21745627 - 05/31/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The needle is the most pure way to do a drug.

Why do you think hospitals use needles?


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21745636 - 05/31/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It enters the blood stream quicker, but I find freebasing DMT to be sufficient enough for me. In the time it takes preparing the needle I'd already be blasted off doing it my way.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: D.M.T]
    #21745775 - 05/31/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ya it's not a race but the feeling you get from the needle is a whole different creature your mind could never begin to understand unless you have done it. It is like unlocking a new dimension.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21750016 - 06/01/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I skimmed through the replies just enough to get the motivation to share my maybe not so popular opinion on this subject.

1. The proper dose is always, "one more hit."
2. Dmt is big boy stuff. Go big, or go home. But that's not to say you should just jump in with a total lack of respect, just that the rules are a bit different for (smoked) Dmt than the more classical psychs you grew up on.
3. Get a meth pipe. They go by the term oil burners at the head shops. Find and ask a tweeker how to use it if need be. The psychedilic community should shun all these sandwich smokers for being so wasteful with such a saccrament as Dmt.
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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750176 - 06/01/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What works for you may not work for someone else, just saying.

The "go big or go home" attitude seems like just some big drug penis talk to me :shrug:

What is "big" to you and someone else could be totally different, and from totally different amounts. Not to mention everyone is effected differently.

Take someone pre disposed to some mental illness for example. It is hard to know for sure if you are or not and if you try to "go big or go home" and just jump right in that could cause psychosis to someone like that... That same person if they had taken their time to start cautiously may have noticed someone did not feel "right" about it and could have stopped use before taking enough to cause the mental illness to come out.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21750196 - 06/01/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my last batch of deemz i infused in some blue lotus leaf and took small little trips from time to time.

i quite like the low-dose effect it's like insta-gnosis (or instant-meditation) like flipping a switch and BAM ur there

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    #21750275 - 06/01/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When I break through I can't feel my fingers, so I don't really care if it burns or not. Flesh could be sizzling, cracking and popping and I wouldn't know.

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My problem with the meth pipe has always been set & setting. When I tried using a meth pipe the couple times I did it make me feel like a druggie, instead of someone partaking in a spiritual journey.




I don't let other people's stigmas against drugs bother me. How can you even eat mushrooms like that?

But I'm slightly afraid of needles so I don't IV DMT, and I don't care to stick anything up my ass or nose, so.. I guess there are ROAs I'm prejudice against myself.



It's not so much other people's stigma, it's my own. Like I said I've tweaked quite a bit in my day and I don't like the memories that get brought up when I look at an oil burner.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21750592 - 06/01/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If for one reason or another, someone thinks they shouldn't  or just don't want to have the full on Dmt experience,  they should not smoke Dmt. That's what I mean when I say big boy shit.  Regardless the size of my dick, I am talking about the big boy that grew up from being a little kid. Having a pet is a big responsibility too.

Do you not understand what go home or go big actually means? It's not a fucking riddle. In the case of being not quite crazy enough to realize it, the correct answer is go home, depending on how much you buy into the notion. I for one know I am a fucking psycho, so maybe it doesn't affect me the same way it does you, but I'm not quite sure the risk is all its played out to be. while I agree that it makes sense to assume it could happen, I wouldn't just assume it a rule, and I'd bet it's a lot rarer than we've come to assume. None of these opinions have been fact checked, so possibly I'm exactly wrong.

And maybe Im crazy to think that the people handing out their extracts should make it their duty to bring to light the seriousness of these drugs. Specifically for me, especially with Dmt. Although its possibly one of the safest to do from a physical perspective, I definitely would agree there are some people that should probably avoid such compounds, for the sake of their mental health. Whose responsibility should it be to keep them from doing these kinds of drugs?


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750642 - 06/01/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have never smoked dmt. I have only done huasca (multiple times now). But i remember after my first experience i had planned on sharing with a few select friends. The thing was, it was so fucking profound that i felt like it couldn't just be given away as an experiment like that. It was too much. It took me a long time before i ever gave any away.


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    #21750720 - 06/01/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Although its possibly one of the safest to do from a physical perspective, I definitely would agree there are some people that should probably avoid such compounds, for the sake of their mental health. Whose responsibility should it be to keep them from doing these kinds of drugs?




The government/powers that be...

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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750730 - 06/01/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I understand the thoughts behind go big or go home I am just saying everyone is on their own path so once again to each their own. I agree about getting fully into it but people can go about that different ways. Psychedelics are about exploration so even if someone does not think they "want to have the full experience" a lot of the time they could benefit from it and if those people jump in they will get scared at least some of the time.

Where as more experienced or psychonautical or even just drug tolerant people can jump into higher doses faster. It depends on the person I would say.

I agree about the seriousness part though, but part of that is not just smoking crazy amounts like many people seem to do. Or not taking it serious enough.

People are always going to experiment and that is part of why I think caution is so important. The psychotic example was just one as why people shouldn't jump into extreme doses.

It is the persons responsibility, and of course depending on the situation it could be whoever made and or gave them the drugs :shrug:


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    #21750741 - 06/01/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly my point. I only purposefully excluded oral routs of dmt because I feel that generally, it can be held to the same old, tried and true psychology. But just as everyone seems to agree, everyone is different... How do you know that Small little sandwich won't send you to the psych ward?

Maybe we can agree that, at least for your first time, it should be an honest attepmt at a break through. If you can't agree  to that, then I don't think you should be smoking dmt, and i don't share with you.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750783 - 06/01/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely agree about the honest attempt to break through.

I do think there is something to the oral route, and the harmalas that makes it so special and profound. Even changa from what I have read is a step up.


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    #21750870 - 06/01/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody I've introduced has ever openly regretted following my no pussy-footin rule, even if afterward they decided to never do it again. Doesn't happen often, but it has happened. The way I see it, this way you get it all out in the open from the beginning... Instead of slowly building to a possible mental disaster...


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750908 - 06/01/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am not arguing about getting fully into it, I completely agree with that.

There are so many factors with the mental thing though. For instance I remember seeing studies on long term aya users stating they had more balanced brain chemistry than others. So depending how you are using it taking more over a longer time frame could be safer then less all at once. Probably depends heavily on each persons genetics/ brain chemistry.


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    #21750992 - 06/01/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I wasn't sure we were arguing about anything really, except for maybe the role of sub-break through doses of smoked Dmt. And I'm not really trying to win you over to my side or anything. Just try to realize that any risk you are minimizing by taking the smaller dose, probably has very little to do with the possible risks of a break through...

This idea of starting small and working up to the break through just sound like complete nonsense to me. A sort of similar analogy would be like smoking cannabis to prepare yourself for mushrooms. Both psychedelics, right? They are two completely different beasts. If afterward you decide you want to take smaller doses, I think you're dumb, but I can live with that. You need to have that breakthrough on your first try (or 2nd or 3rd or what ever. I know sometimes it's hard to commit to subsequent hits after that first one rocks your world)

If there any real questionsabout your mental health, ones like you might think its possible to crazy with this shit... You probably ought to stay away from all drugs, except those perscribed.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21751189 - 06/02/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I never ended up getting it :feelsbadman: but I did eat a 5 strip of those gels and holy fuck are those things potent :seriousthumbsup: hopefully I can find some soon and give it a try. See what all the fuss is about :awehigh:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21751207 - 06/02/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have read about some having horrible experiences on their first breakthrough, and also about the degree of influence your mental state has on the experience as well. I could see how those who had the bad experiences may have second thoughts about going at it again, and maybe if they tested the waters first they could get a better understanding of what type of mindset and thoughts should be dealt with to avoid a bad experience.

I don't see how potentially ruining all future breakthroughs by adding a bad conditioned response due to a bad first experience. An analogy of what I would do myself(probably but I wouldn't bet on it)would be like snorkeling before deep sea diving. I guess for most they think they've got their shit all together mentally, but when the time comes it's a total different story. 

Shit man. I really have a need to experience DMT.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #21751245 - 06/02/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when dmt takes over, you'll have nothing to fear, if you're smart, you'll see with real eyes. you'll realize yourself as god of perception. the driving force of reality, the existence you call "your life"

the only universe you will ever know, and you're in the drivers seat



















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    #21751248 - 06/02/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup:

You just summed up something I was trying to get at earlier pretty damn well.

Testing the waters definitely can help from getting "the bends" :lol: so to speak...

Like you said though some people are strong minded and jump right in and many have no problems.

But then there's the people who swear psychs off due to traumatizing experiences.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751298 - 06/02/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That balls to the wall approach right out of the gates could ruin someone's chances for success for their entire life. It makes no sense at all. That's like eating half an ounce of shrooms your first time. Probably worse and way more terrifying.


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    #21751320 - 06/02/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I could see a half ounce being pretty terrifying but I totally agree.

A lot of people seem to smoke pretty copious amounts and many don't seem to realize how sensitive some people can to psychs.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Envix]
    #21751338 - 06/02/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But I think DMT is just too important of an experience to just throw away. To experience the most important aspect of our existence is life changing. It;s not a drug, it's something everyone should be aware of. We are capable of so many things, but It' like we are evolving in reverse. People don't even remeember their dreams these days, or even care. It's like being a prisoner in the physical world 100% of the time.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751342 - 06/02/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have you tried DMT before?


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    #21751412 - 06/02/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I totally know what you mean, I am too tired to continue this conversation much for the night though :stoned: sorry

It definitely does help show people how much we are capable of but all psychs do to some extent.

Aya in particular is incredibly profound and positive as far causing super life changing experiences. Something about the tryptamine harmala synergy is gold.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751456 - 06/02/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

DMT is so much different in the sense that it is produced by us, and has more than likely played a major role in the past of connecting all living things together within a world that most will sadly never experience. Other psychs may trigger things but DMT is a functioning part of our physical bodies that are going to waste.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21751486 - 06/02/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:aweyeah: how much should I take? What's a good price for it? What's everyone else's experience?

Nervous but very excited just like with every other psychedelic :seriousthumbsup:




its amazing. smoke a little to start and go from there. DMT should be free. it is literally soul food

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    #21752934 - 06/02/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As coincidence would have it, I was recently presented a fresh experience from a slightly used, though practically new perspective,  that inspired a few trains of thought I feel may be relevant to the discussions in this thread. Though I will admit it's not anything too incredibly insightful or mind blowing, it was presented as such and i apologize in advance for the things that will get lost in translation.

Its going to take me a bit to get it all down, mostly because im posting from my phone with fat fingers in between packing boxes of random shit that have nothing too do ith this thread.

But I had to at least get a start on it and bump this thread, even if only to prolong my procrastination.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21753369 - 06/02/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Seems dmt is too hard to get ahold of here :sad: I'm not giving up and am hoping for an experience that can shed some light on some recent experiences in my life. It saddens me that some of my "friends" use psycedlics the way they do. I literally had one of them say "well I'm just trying to get fucked up, trip and go to bed" so I fucking left out of such a disrespect for LSD. I almost wanted to give him a 10 strip to show LSD is not something you get "fucked up" on. But that's an abuse in and of itself. I try and talk about spiritual experiences with some of them but oddly enough my friends that don't trip understand more about the deeper experiences than the ones that do.

I just need to move away from the fucked up coke and opiate type people and seek some that really want to explore what these tools can offer. I've already vowed not to do coke again and to stick to MDMA and psychedelics. Addictive drugs are the downfall of man:feelsbadman:

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    #21753380 - 06/02/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Seems dmt is too hard to get ahold of here




I have the same problem in my area...

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    #21753405 - 06/02/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Or just making it yourself.

That is the best way, besides maybe a good friend sharing it for free. Still even better when it is your own :shrug:

Addictive drugs totally are the downfall of man, and psychs are our salvation...


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    #21753419 - 06/02/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not confident in my "making at home" skills. Never done it, rather intimidated. I'm sure I will one day.


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    #21753429 - 06/02/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's like growing mushrooms. You have to do a bunch of reading before you try it and familiarize yourself with a bunch of terms, but you can do it.


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    #21753440 - 06/02/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Still though, wouldn't you trust yourself over someone you have never met?

Who knows how well they did the extraction, or if they were doing it to help enlighten people or for profit.

It is not that hard at all either as far as extractions go.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21753491 - 06/02/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I know, I've done some reading here and there.
I've never been very mathematically or chemistry "inclined", and when I start reading the stuff it seems very overwhelming.
But I know if I just knew the steps, and what to use...I could do it no problem...i'm more of a visual learner.
But I also know if I just took the time to read and comprehend it all, I could...it's just not something I want to invest time in right now.
I've sourced a few bits of info and some brief teks from a couple forum members, so i'm just procrastinating.

I just need a how to video, which I'm sure I could find.
I realize you need to know SOME of what's going on in the chemistry, for various reasons...

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Still though, wouldn't you trust yourself over someone you have never met?





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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21753523 - 06/02/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Still though, wouldn't you trust yourself over someone you have never met?

Who knows how well they did the extraction, or if they were doing it to help enlighten people or for profit.

It is not that hard at all either as far as extractions go.



Anyone who does something that illegal just to 'enlighten people' is not someone I want to purchase illegal substances from.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21753532 - 06/02/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why not?


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: D.M.T]
    #21753585 - 06/02/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's the first person I would want to talk too. You're doing the higher beings work. Some sell psychedelics and others turn people on. It's about helping others


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21753596 - 06/02/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't mind if they're trying to make profit, but you're more likely to get high quality product at a better price from the enlightening types.

Although it varies, I've met a lot of shady or uninformed people who use that cloak.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21753598 - 06/02/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't feel like that kind of person would have the same understanding of the level of illegality as I do. You'd probably be fine, and you'd probably get a great deal and have someone to talk to, but that's just the sort of thing I like to keep in mind when it comes to these things.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: 1234go]
    #21753648 - 06/02/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:confused:

That makes 0 sense to me, one person wants to hook people up and is in it for the experience not the $ like the other one one is but you would trust the greedy person...

Also XL caps the type of people I am talking about are the ones giving psychs away becouse they realize monetizing them defeats the purpose. We need more of those guys.

There are plenty of greedy drug dealers as it is...

I am not against people making a profit for risking their freedom but still :shrug:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21753879 - 06/02/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Please don't sell dmt. Buy it if you must, but know that extracting it yourself is as easy as baking a cake, and will provide that much less demand for the people who do. I know, what ever, most don't give a shit... but money tends to ruin most everything it touches, and i feel its one of the last truly special things we got left. Though it seems it may already be well on its way to being just another missed message.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21753890 - 06/02/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Just like everything many have missed or corrupted the message but it is still there and people are hearing it.

People definitely seem to be doing our best to take psychs and all drugs really way less seriously than we should :sad:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21754068 - 06/02/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21754686 - 06/02/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Please don't sell dmt. Buy it if you must, but know that extracting it yourself is as easy as baking a cake, and will provide that much less demand for the people who do. I know, what ever, most don't give a shit... but money tends to ruin most everything it touches, and i feel its one of the last truly special things we got left. Though it seems it may already be well on its way to being just another missed message.



Baking a cake is extremely difficult for some people....

I equate extractions to mixing up a jug of Kool-Aid and making ice cubes. I feel it's a much better analogy especially for a STB tek like the one I use.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21754838 - 06/02/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you are too lazy and/or stupid to learn to bake a cake, I doubt you should be fucking around with dmt at all, let alone an extraction. I like my analogy better.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21754891 - 06/02/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Who the hell can't bake a cake? People who haven't put the effort in.

Those people have no place fucking around with extractions if they can't follow simple instructions...


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21755670 - 06/03/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If you are too lazy and/or stupid to learn to bake a cake, I doubt you should be fucking around with dmt at all.



Wow. Just wow.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21755790 - 06/03/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rereading that makes me feel I should point out that I wasn't referring to you specifically, but to any number of the  undefined yous that may be wandering this side of the neighborhood. I know its still not a nice thing to say, but at least now its not personal?

I do not mean to offend, though most times I dont really care about peoples feelings either, so sometimes it can get a bit confusing... im working on that. If thats not what you meant, ill need more than just wow. For the record I stand by my statement, and if offends you, im sorry you are so easily offended.


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Edited by wrestler_az (06/03/15 01:44 AM)


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