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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750642 - 06/01/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have never smoked dmt. I have only done huasca (multiple times now). But i remember after my first experience i had planned on sharing with a few select friends. The thing was, it was so fucking profound that i felt like it couldn't just be given away as an experiment like that. It was too much. It took me a long time before i ever gave any away.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750720 - 06/01/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Although its possibly one of the safest to do from a physical perspective, I definitely would agree there are some people that should probably avoid such compounds, for the sake of their mental health. Whose responsibility should it be to keep them from doing these kinds of drugs?




The government/powers that be...

I need to be led.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750730 - 06/01/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I understand the thoughts behind go big or go home I am just saying everyone is on their own path so once again to each their own. I agree about getting fully into it but people can go about that different ways. Psychedelics are about exploration so even if someone does not think they "want to have the full experience" a lot of the time they could benefit from it and if those people jump in they will get scared at least some of the time.

Where as more experienced or psychonautical or even just drug tolerant people can jump into higher doses faster. It depends on the person I would say.

I agree about the seriousness part though, but part of that is not just smoking crazy amounts like many people seem to do. Or not taking it serious enough.

People are always going to experiment and that is part of why I think caution is so important. The psychotic example was just one as why people shouldn't jump into extreme doses.

It is the persons responsibility, and of course depending on the situation it could be whoever made and or gave them the drugs :shrug:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: stratocast]
    #21750741 - 06/01/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly my point. I only purposefully excluded oral routs of dmt because I feel that generally, it can be held to the same old, tried and true psychology. But just as everyone seems to agree, everyone is different... How do you know that Small little sandwich won't send you to the psych ward?

Maybe we can agree that, at least for your first time, it should be an honest attepmt at a break through. If you can't agree  to that, then I don't think you should be smoking dmt, and i don't share with you.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750783 - 06/01/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely agree about the honest attempt to break through.

I do think there is something to the oral route, and the harmalas that makes it so special and profound. Even changa from what I have read is a step up.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21750870 - 06/01/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody I've introduced has ever openly regretted following my no pussy-footin rule, even if afterward they decided to never do it again. Doesn't happen often, but it has happened. The way I see it, this way you get it all out in the open from the beginning... Instead of slowly building to a possible mental disaster...


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21750908 - 06/01/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am not arguing about getting fully into it, I completely agree with that.

There are so many factors with the mental thing though. For instance I remember seeing studies on long term aya users stating they had more balanced brain chemistry than others. So depending how you are using it taking more over a longer time frame could be safer then less all at once. Probably depends heavily on each persons genetics/ brain chemistry.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21750992 - 06/01/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I wasn't sure we were arguing about anything really, except for maybe the role of sub-break through doses of smoked Dmt. And I'm not really trying to win you over to my side or anything. Just try to realize that any risk you are minimizing by taking the smaller dose, probably has very little to do with the possible risks of a break through...

This idea of starting small and working up to the break through just sound like complete nonsense to me. A sort of similar analogy would be like smoking cannabis to prepare yourself for mushrooms. Both psychedelics, right? They are two completely different beasts. If afterward you decide you want to take smaller doses, I think you're dumb, but I can live with that. You need to have that breakthrough on your first try (or 2nd or 3rd or what ever. I know sometimes it's hard to commit to subsequent hits after that first one rocks your world)

If there any real questionsabout your mental health, ones like you might think its possible to crazy with this shit... You probably ought to stay away from all drugs, except those perscribed.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21751189 - 06/02/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I never ended up getting it :feelsbadman: but I did eat a 5 strip of those gels and holy fuck are those things potent :seriousthumbsup: hopefully I can find some soon and give it a try. See what all the fuss is about :awehigh:


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: wrestler_az]
    #21751207 - 06/02/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have read about some having horrible experiences on their first breakthrough, and also about the degree of influence your mental state has on the experience as well. I could see how those who had the bad experiences may have second thoughts about going at it again, and maybe if they tested the waters first they could get a better understanding of what type of mindset and thoughts should be dealt with to avoid a bad experience.

I don't see how potentially ruining all future breakthroughs by adding a bad conditioned response due to a bad first experience. An analogy of what I would do myself(probably but I wouldn't bet on it)would be like snorkeling before deep sea diving. I guess for most they think they've got their shit all together mentally, but when the time comes it's a total different story. 

Shit man. I really have a need to experience DMT.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #21751245 - 06/02/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when dmt takes over, you'll have nothing to fear, if you're smart, you'll see with real eyes. you'll realize yourself as god of perception. the driving force of reality, the existence you call "your life"

the only universe you will ever know, and you're in the drivers seat



















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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21751248 - 06/02/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup:

You just summed up something I was trying to get at earlier pretty damn well.

Testing the waters definitely can help from getting "the bends" :lol: so to speak...

Like you said though some people are strong minded and jump right in and many have no problems.

But then there's the people who swear psychs off due to traumatizing experiences.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751298 - 06/02/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That balls to the wall approach right out of the gates could ruin someone's chances for success for their entire life. It makes no sense at all. That's like eating half an ounce of shrooms your first time. Probably worse and way more terrifying.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21751320 - 06/02/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I could see a half ounce being pretty terrifying but I totally agree.

A lot of people seem to smoke pretty copious amounts and many don't seem to realize how sensitive some people can to psychs.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Envix]
    #21751338 - 06/02/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But I think DMT is just too important of an experience to just throw away. To experience the most important aspect of our existence is life changing. It;s not a drug, it's something everyone should be aware of. We are capable of so many things, but It' like we are evolving in reverse. People don't even remeember their dreams these days, or even care. It's like being a prisoner in the physical world 100% of the time.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751342 - 06/02/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have you tried DMT before?


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21751412 - 06/02/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I totally know what you mean, I am too tired to continue this conversation much for the night though :stoned: sorry

It definitely does help show people how much we are capable of but all psychs do to some extent.

Aya in particular is incredibly profound and positive as far causing super life changing experiences. Something about the tryptamine harmala synergy is gold.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: musiclover420]
    #21751456 - 06/02/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

DMT is so much different in the sense that it is produced by us, and has more than likely played a major role in the past of connecting all living things together within a world that most will sadly never experience. Other psychs may trigger things but DMT is a functioning part of our physical bodies that are going to waste.


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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21751486 - 06/02/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Rebelutionsssss said:
:aweyeah: how much should I take? What's a good price for it? What's everyone else's experience?

Nervous but very excited just like with every other psychedelic :seriousthumbsup:




its amazing. smoke a little to start and go from there. DMT should be free. it is literally soul food

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Re: Might be trying dmt for the first time tonight [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21752934 - 06/02/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As coincidence would have it, I was recently presented a fresh experience from a slightly used, though practically new perspective,  that inspired a few trains of thought I feel may be relevant to the discussions in this thread. Though I will admit it's not anything too incredibly insightful or mind blowing, it was presented as such and i apologize in advance for the things that will get lost in translation.

Its going to take me a bit to get it all down, mostly because im posting from my phone with fat fingers in between packing boxes of random shit that have nothing too do ith this thread.

But I had to at least get a start on it and bump this thread, even if only to prolong my procrastination.


Tldr - dmt inspired ramblings are on their way.


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