Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Capsules   Amanita Muscaria Store Amanita Extract   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time
    #21741230 - 05/30/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now, I am rather inexperienced in psychedelics, having only heard of  the controversial "ego-loss" and "level system" as of very recently. I've skimmed the board for any threads I felt directly related to me, but couldn't really find one.

Every single time I trip (I've only ever taken lsd and mushrooms) I feel like I experience this. The only time I have ever NOT felt this was when I just chewed on a stem or two and just got a case of the giggles. It really doesn't matter the amount I ingest either, it ALWAYS turns into absolute loss of reality. It's always resulted in me losing complete control to the point where I'm speaking in clicks. People always talk about tripping at a festival or going for a long walk or hike and tripping, but I don't see how that's possible because I absolutely can not function.

While I have felt the enlightenment that comes with it, i do not find it to be an enjoyable experience at all. I love everything about how the trip makes me feel--until it inevitably comes to that point. Had I had some tripping experience under my belt, in sure it would be a lot more enjoyable, but I don't and this has been how I trip every time since day one. Most people just tell me a bad trip is all in your head and it's about the mindset you have going in, but I feel like I had a pretty good head about it going in--it's when I peak that things shift.

I'm still not even sure what it really is I'm experiencing every time I trip or why my brain goes there despite the small quantities I've taken. The obvious answer would be to just not ingest psychedelics--and I don't. after having several trips end that way, I finally stopped trying all together, however I do absolutely love the feeling prior to that peak. I suppose in just looking for any insight or wisdom as to why this happens, if there's anything I can do to help it, or if I'm simply just not cut out for psychs.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemustangbob3
Mad Myrmecologist
I'm a teapot


Registered: 10/15/14
Posts: 1,685
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741260 - 05/30/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you could try tripping at home alone the day or two consecutive days before you intend to trip out somewhere with friends.

this way you should have built some tolerance while using in a 'safe' enviroment and when it come to tripping with your friends just take a small-moderate dose and you should be alot more functional.

its just can you put up with or in the situation to allow tripping several days in a row :smile:


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBoomBoom
Nuke worker-Its a blast!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 1,198
Last seen: 11 days, 5 hours
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741262 - 05/30/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some people are extremely sensitive to psychs. I can eat one mushroom as long as its decently potent Ill have a full blown level 3 trip with awesome visual distortion insane body and mindfuck. Its crazy how that works.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMajickMuffin
Edible Cult


Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 4,345
Loc: North
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741264 - 05/30/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's kinda something you've got to figure out for yourself man. There's nothing anyone can do to change your experiences.
All I can suggest is, change your environment, setting, lighting, music. Be in a place of heaven so when you peak it's okay.

I often have very insightful yet dark and loss of ego, loss of reality trips.
But I love that shit. Sometimes I enjoy not feeling human. Get used to it, learn how to enjoy it and learn from it, or put the shit down.

That's my opinion on your situation. Goodluck


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21741293 - 05/30/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think that it being so different than anything I've felt--and it happening every time is part of what keeps me from enjoying it. I totally get what you're saying though, it being up to the individual to figure out. I guess I just never understood why it had such a strange effect on me in comparison to anyone I've ever tripped with. And being the only one rolling around on the couch with mush mouth is kind of embarrassing when you come down lol. I've seen people ingest waaaaaay more and never even come close to having that kind of experience.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: BoomBoom]
    #21741301 - 05/30/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

See, I almost instantly go from euphoria and very light visuals STRAIGHT into a complete loss of reality. I've never had any other kind of experience except when taking so little it never had a chance to get past euphoria.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebelutionsssss
Mdmazing
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 13,137
Loc: San Francisco
Last seen: 2 years, 2 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741323 - 05/30/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I feel I have like a natural tolerance to psyches, I won't even feel a gram and need about 5 for a nice trip. Even with LSD I need around 500 mics for a full blown experience


--------------------
:
To define is to confine.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDrumdude27
Millennial Hippy
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/22/13
Posts: 563
Last seen: 4 months, 4 days
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21741335 - 05/30/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As someone else said, it may be as simple as you're more sensitive to the drug itself, or to changes in your perception than others. Are you on any meds?


--------------------



:awesome:Random acts of Shroomery kindness:mushroom2:

Drumdude27 said:
Don't make me get the FemNazis involved guys.

420th post. No regrets. Only joy.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21741343 - 05/30/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Other than marijuana, nope. I do know that I am HIGHLY sensitive to SSRI's, but was never in any at the time of tripping.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDrumdude27
Millennial Hippy
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/22/13
Posts: 563
Last seen: 4 months, 4 days
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741376 - 05/30/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have to head out, but I can look into more for you later. I do not know off the top of my head, although it may be possible that the SSRI  and the LSD were affecting the same or similar receptors in your brain. Even though you were taking the SSRI when you tripped, your brain has something called plasticity, which basically allows it to change over time. I do know that both SSRIs and LSD affect serotonin, but I'm not sure on their exact affects


--------------------



:awesome:Random acts of Shroomery kindness:mushroom2:

Drumdude27 said:
Don't make me get the FemNazis involved guys.

420th post. No regrets. Only joy.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21741408 - 05/30/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, They're "selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors". I never even thought about there being a correlation with serotonin, it's possible you're on to something with that. I would like to point out that my finding out about my sensitivity to ssri's was nowhere near the times when I found out my sensitivities to psychedelics, nor was I on them long enough for them to have any lasting effects due to aforementioned adverse reactions, and did not have even a trace of those drugs in my system at the times of ingestion.


Edited by LadyKate (05/30/15 03:02 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDrumdude27
Millennial Hippy
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/22/13
Posts: 563
Last seen: 4 months, 4 days
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741427 - 05/30/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, even if you weren't on the SSRI's at the time, it may be possible that they had some lasting affects due to neuroplasticity.

Regardless, everyone is different and some people react differently. That may be the best answer you ever get.

I will look into further for you though.


--------------------



:awesome:Random acts of Shroomery kindness:mushroom2:

Drumdude27 said:
Don't make me get the FemNazis involved guys.

420th post. No regrets. Only joy.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible4HO-DMT
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/11/11
Posts: 5,073
Loc: County Line Road
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741445 - 05/30/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SSRI's and psychedelics do hit some of the same receptors. I think that your sensitivity to SSRI's is a related phenomenon. I would suggest taking lower doses than your friends. It sounds like you are just hypersensitive, which is not unheard of.

Also, I would like to add that psychedelics do in general cause a separation from reality. So loosing touch with reality should be expected to some extent.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21741459 - 05/30/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I should be more clear lol, my findings about ssri''s was after my findings about psychedelics. If anything, the psychs affected the ssris, but I guess after typing it out, I can see that no matter which order I took them one could be affecting the other. Point taken. :p

I'm certainly not looking for some profound answer to my prayers, that's for sure. Just a little wisdom from people with more experience than my friends or me. I genuinely appreciate the effort though :smile: thank you!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741475 - 05/30/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And I agree that the sepsration from reality is to be expected, I just feel like mine was a rather strong disconnection, unlike anything I had ever heard of or seen before. I'm glad that's it's not just me like I was beginning to expect though.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemustangbob3
Mad Myrmecologist
I'm a teapot


Registered: 10/15/14
Posts: 1,685
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741496 - 05/30/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i genuinely think if you dose the day before and then take a smaller dose the next day you will find it a whole world different :smile:

also have you tried different methods of dosing.
i.e low dose fresh vs dried vs low dose tea for quick up and done quickly or capsules for slower release??
it can alter the come up, how hard and length quite some.

lots of things to play with.

even try frying up with some onion and bacon for sandwich to alter and titrate the dose to find your sweet spot.
pot noodle works quick and easy too!!


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21741560 - 05/30/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I've eaten fresh, dried, teas, in chocolates...even still, I've had that problem. I've never tried taking it the next day--I isually feel like I need to recover--but I have taken them at times that were pretty close together; within a week's span. It's really disheartening because I love the cultivation process.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDeviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate] * 1
    #21742307 - 05/30/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this is a good thing. people spend years trying to reach that state. learn to appreciate it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMajickMuffin
Edible Cult


Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 4,345
Loc: North
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Deviate]
    #21742406 - 05/30/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Try microdosing until you find your right dosage, experiment this way to figure out if it has to do with a low tolerance.sounds likely


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSizlChest
Padawan
Male User Gallery


Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 814
Loc: Texas Flag
Last seen: 8 hours, 12 minutes
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21742529 - 05/30/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Try taking your dose longer over time? If you're eating say 4 grams, eat them 1 gram at a time spaced apart. I dunno, man.


--------------------
PrimalSoup's Tea Tek

"I always say the tea is like eating a burning tire covered in dog shit while someone steps on your nuts. Good luck!"
"Hell, shrooms have blown up from under me and kicked my ass on 2 grams once."
"I think ill eat some shrooms right about now, and ill continue to until it doesnt feel like the right thing to do."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDeviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21742534 - 05/30/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LadyKate said:
Now, I am rather inexperienced in psychedelics, having only heard of  the controversial "ego-loss" and "level system" as of very recently. I've skimmed the board for any threads I felt directly related to me, but couldn't really find one.

Every single time I trip (I've only ever taken lsd and mushrooms) I feel like I experience this. The only time I have ever NOT felt this was when I just chewed on a stem or two and just got a case of the giggles. It really doesn't matter the amount I ingest either, it ALWAYS turns into absolute loss of reality. It's always resulted in me losing complete control to the point where I'm speaking in clicks. People always talk about tripping at a festival or going for a long walk or hike and tripping, but I don't see how that's possible because I absolutely can not function.

While I have felt the enlightenment that comes with it, i do not find it to be an enjoyable experience at all. I love everything about how the trip makes me feel--until it inevitably comes to that point. Had I had some tripping experience under my belt, in sure it would be a lot more enjoyable, but I don't and this has been how I trip every time since day one. Most people just tell me a bad trip is all in your head and it's about the mindset you have going in, but I feel like I had a pretty good head about it going in--it's when I peak that things shift.

I'm still not even sure what it really is I'm experiencing every time I trip or why my brain goes there despite the small quantities I've taken. The obvious answer would be to just not ingest psychedelics--and I don't. after having several trips end that way, I finally stopped trying all together, however I do absolutely love the feeling prior to that peak. I suppose in just looking for any insight or wisdom as to why this happens, if there's anything I can do to help it, or if I'm simply just not cut out for psychs.




You like the effects of the trip before your loss of reality because you like the effects of the truth but you dont like truth itself.

This will explain your problem:


Peace.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemustangbob3
Mad Myrmecologist
I'm a teapot


Registered: 10/15/14
Posts: 1,685
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Deviate]
    #21743541 - 05/31/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if you like the growing why not have a go at edibles instead of actives :smile:
they can be just as fun to grow!!
just do the odd cube grow for your friends, for say halloween :smile:


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEggtimer
HotSauce Lover

Registered: 05/04/13
Posts: 3,097
Last seen: 4 days, 2 hours
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21743682 - 05/31/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is the point of psychedelics to me:lol:. If you don't like that try lower doses or maybe go for LSD. I've never had loss of self on 100-300mcg range of LSD

Who is experiencing this "loss of reality and self" if the self is lost?



--------------------
It's all for the :lol:s


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21744791 - 05/31/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can see how it's the ultimate goal and I've read of people who aspire to find that state while tripping; I think that it happening my first time tripping (on a very low dose of lsd) was a bit of a shock to my system since I wasn't eased into it. Like you said, people spend years trying to get to that point and I, never having felt any psychedelic effects before that, was able to get there the first time. Most people have the opportunity to get used to these feelings whereas I was just thrown into them.  I think something of that intensify is a lot for anyone to handle--especially someone who has never had a trip before.

I think spreading the dose out is a good idea. I'lol definitely try that next time.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21744822 - 05/31/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Eggtimer said:
This is the point of psychedelics to me:lol:. If you don't like that try lower doses or maybe go for LSD. I've never had loss of self on 100-300mcg range of LSD

Who is experiencing this "loss of reality and self" if the self is lost?







Also, that's obviously a very tough question to answer. The loss of reality becomes apparent to me while I'm coming down--not while I'm experiencing it as that wouldn't make much sense! :p as for who it is that's actually experiencing said loss since my self would be nowhere to be found...I really don't know. Maybe it's not a who so much as a what.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDeviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21744840 - 05/31/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LadyKate said:
I can see how it's the ultimate goal and I've read of people who aspire to find that state while tripping; I think that it happening my first time tripping (on a very low dose of lsd) was a bit of a shock to my system since I wasn't eased into it. Like you said, people spend years trying to get to that point and I, never having felt any psychedelic effects before that, was able to get there the first time. Most people have the opportunity to get used to these feelings whereas I was just thrown into them.  I think something of that intensify is a lot for anyone to handle--especially someone who has never had a trip before.

I think spreading the dose out is a good idea. I'lol definitely try that next time.





Oh yes, it is definitely a lot to handle but I am merely suggesting you look at it as a great blessing. I experienced that state on weed. I kept thinking "i didn't think this was supposed to happen on weed, I thoyught you needed to take LSD for something like this". Now I find it difficult to get back to that state on any substance, so please try to understand how lucky you are.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Deviate]
    #21744870 - 05/31/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, while I do consider myself lucky that I'm a cheap date when it comes to taking psychs, it would've been nice to get eased into it a bit more so I could actually learn to appreciate it!  I think now that I have further understanding in what was actually happening, my appreciation for it will be able to grow more. Apparently, it IS rare and a bit of a phenomena because none of the people I've ever talked to about it never had any experience like mine. So, I guess I do consider myself lucky :p


Edited by LadyKate (05/31/15 01:43 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEggtimer
HotSauce Lover

Registered: 05/04/13
Posts: 3,097
Last seen: 4 days, 2 hours
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21744899 - 05/31/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LadyKate said:
Quote:

Eggtimer said:
This is the point of psychedelics to me:lol:. If you don't like that try lower doses or maybe go for LSD. I've never had loss of self on 100-300mcg range of LSD

Who is experiencing this "loss of reality and self" if the self is lost?







Also, that's obviously a very tough question to answer. The loss of reality becomes apparent to me while I'm coming down--not while I'm experiencing it as that wouldn't make much sense! :p as for who it is that's actually experiencing said loss since my self would be nowhere to be found...I really don't know. Maybe it's not a who so much as a what.




Haha I like that answer.
The idea of nonduality goes well with psychedelic use. If you've never listened to Alan Watts I can't recommend him enough.





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLadyKate
Stranger
Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 13
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21744920 - 05/31/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I had not heard of him! I'm silly and realized you posted a video AFTER I responded lol. I thought you just had a goofy signature! :p he is VERY profound, I was going to ask you his name so I could listen further. What a brilliant man.

Edit: there I go, respons ding before watching the videos. I was referring to the man in the second video you posted, speaking of dreams.


Edited by LadyKate (05/31/15 02:25 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEggtimer
HotSauce Lover

Registered: 05/04/13
Posts: 3,097
Last seen: 4 days, 2 hours
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21745244 - 05/31/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LadyKate said:
I had not heard of him! I'm silly and realized you posted a video AFTER I responded lol. I thought you just had a goofy signature! :p he is VERY profound, I was going to ask you his name so I could listen further. What a brilliant man.

Edit: there I go, respons ding before watching the videos. I was referring to the man in the second video you posted, speaking of dreams.




That's Moojiji. Here's his YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/Moojiji/videos

I use to look at the world and the universe as meaningless nothing that the universe was dead and dumb. Here I am an intelligent creature stuck in a dumb universe. A unfortunate accident of existence I got tangled up in as a human being. Basically I was a devout materialist without realizing it. I claimed to have a open mind but anything about spirituality or the idea that life might be something besides a random event I had completely closed my mind off to.

When I smoked DMT I had these odd feelings of everything in the universe being intimately entangled with everything else. Life, stars, planets, elements, matter, energy, myself, and so on. It was a feeling of ohhh here I am watching the unspeakable meaning of existence unfold and it's all connected.
It was the feeling that well maybe the universe isn't so dumb. Maybe there is some sort of cosmic consciousness, a fundamental force of the universe like gravity that is all pervading. At the time I was thinking this is what is causing the order in chaos, the formation of stars and plants, the billions of years of evolution to get here, "holy shit I'm like a part of this force too."

Now I don't clam that any of this stuff is real. It very well could be my brain just having a electrical seizure. This being said to me it seems very real.

I had never felt like this before and I had never read about this kind of stuff so I started looking for things similar to my experience.
The closest practice I could find was non-duality and Advaita Vedanta which is a lot of what Moojiji talks about. I still don't believe in any gods or directly follow any religion but some like Advaita Vedanta and Taoism describe well what I feel to be the nature of the psychedelic experience and reality itself.


--------------------
It's all for the :lol:s


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDeviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21745944 - 05/31/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

LadyKate said:
I had not heard of him! I'm silly and realized you posted a video AFTER I responded lol. I thought you just had a goofy signature! :p he is VERY profound, I was going to ask you his name so I could listen further. What a brilliant man.

Edit: there I go, respons ding before watching the videos. I was referring to the man in the second video you posted, speaking of dreams.




Mooji is awesome, I like him a lot more than Alan Watts. I never liked Alan Watts but especially after listening to him during my trip yesterday, he was saying that psychedelics are medicine and people get addicted to the medicine (which is true) but then he went onto to say religion is the same thing and ideally priests should be trying to get rid of people by fixing their problems rather than trying to get more people to come to church.

I couldn't disagree more, I mean that is such an arrogant statement that reflects such a limited understanding of what Christianity is all about. Church is more than just about fixing your problems, it is about being part of a community of like minded people and about developing a relationship with God. Finding true union with God is the project of a lifetime, it is not like you just go to a priest (or any kind of spiritual teacher), he tells you a little something and bang boom you are one with God, completely perfect and finished with spirituality. What a joke.

As I see it, your relationship with God is something where there is always room to deepen it further. I'm not saying it is impossible to become spiritually perfect and fully enlightened in this lifetime, but realistically speaking how many people achieve that in their lifetime let alone in a brief period  of church attendance? And even if you do achieve that, you can still go to church just to be a part of the community and serve others. Also, this might be shocking to Alan Watts, but some Christian actually ENJOY going to church, they enjoy the singing and the beauty of the service and the sense of community. church is not like cold medicine where the only conceivable reason to go is if you want to cure a cold.

So yeah, Alan Watts has always rubbed me the wrong way, plus he died of alcoholism. I know it is not my place to judge, but when it comes to spiritual teachers, I prefer to seek guidance from folks who are not engaged in the process of drinking themselves to death.

Anyway LadyKate, Mooji is an awesome and beautiful being whom I highly recommend. He can help you understanding the meaning of what you have experienced in a spiritual context.

A few other teachers I recommend are Bentinho Massaro, Adyashanti and Matt Kahn.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Capsules   Amanita Muscaria Store Amanita Extract   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* is this total loss of reality? pashroomer_27 1,621 19 12/27/05 03:17 PM
by LuciferSam
* loss of ego???? mad_hatter 1,055 10 06/04/04 07:29 AM
by boeha
* The Art of Ego Loss. Antar 1,821 16 06/09/04 04:24 PM
by Antar
* What is Ego Loss
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Toddo 7,948 66 10/21/04 08:19 AM
by the free thinker
* Most fucked up thing happening in reality when you tripped *DELETED*
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
LTBOOMER 30,632 134 07/19/10 05:04 AM
by Met
* A question for experienced shroomers Ego Death 774 2 05/22/04 06:22 PM
by Ego Death
* How do you know when you experience ego-loss?
( 1 2 3 all )
MOTH 9,868 43 04/20/17 10:54 PM
by Bruce Campbell
* ego-loss??? kristina420 1,308 6 04/03/03 01:09 PM
by greenhaze

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
1,199 topic views. 3 members, 61 guests and 9 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.032 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.