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OfflineLadyKate
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Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time
    #21741230 - 05/30/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now, I am rather inexperienced in psychedelics, having only heard of  the controversial "ego-loss" and "level system" as of very recently. I've skimmed the board for any threads I felt directly related to me, but couldn't really find one.

Every single time I trip (I've only ever taken lsd and mushrooms) I feel like I experience this. The only time I have ever NOT felt this was when I just chewed on a stem or two and just got a case of the giggles. It really doesn't matter the amount I ingest either, it ALWAYS turns into absolute loss of reality. It's always resulted in me losing complete control to the point where I'm speaking in clicks. People always talk about tripping at a festival or going for a long walk or hike and tripping, but I don't see how that's possible because I absolutely can not function.

While I have felt the enlightenment that comes with it, i do not find it to be an enjoyable experience at all. I love everything about how the trip makes me feel--until it inevitably comes to that point. Had I had some tripping experience under my belt, in sure it would be a lot more enjoyable, but I don't and this has been how I trip every time since day one. Most people just tell me a bad trip is all in your head and it's about the mindset you have going in, but I feel like I had a pretty good head about it going in--it's when I peak that things shift.

I'm still not even sure what it really is I'm experiencing every time I trip or why my brain goes there despite the small quantities I've taken. The obvious answer would be to just not ingest psychedelics--and I don't. after having several trips end that way, I finally stopped trying all together, however I do absolutely love the feeling prior to that peak. I suppose in just looking for any insight or wisdom as to why this happens, if there's anything I can do to help it, or if I'm simply just not cut out for psychs.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741260 - 05/30/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you could try tripping at home alone the day or two consecutive days before you intend to trip out somewhere with friends.

this way you should have built some tolerance while using in a 'safe' enviroment and when it come to tripping with your friends just take a small-moderate dose and you should be alot more functional.

its just can you put up with or in the situation to allow tripping several days in a row :smile:


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741262 - 05/30/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some people are extremely sensitive to psychs. I can eat one mushroom as long as its decently potent Ill have a full blown level 3 trip with awesome visual distortion insane body and mindfuck. Its crazy how that works.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741264 - 05/30/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's kinda something you've got to figure out for yourself man. There's nothing anyone can do to change your experiences.
All I can suggest is, change your environment, setting, lighting, music. Be in a place of heaven so when you peak it's okay.

I often have very insightful yet dark and loss of ego, loss of reality trips.
But I love that shit. Sometimes I enjoy not feeling human. Get used to it, learn how to enjoy it and learn from it, or put the shit down.

That's my opinion on your situation. Goodluck


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21741293 - 05/30/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think that it being so different than anything I've felt--and it happening every time is part of what keeps me from enjoying it. I totally get what you're saying though, it being up to the individual to figure out. I guess I just never understood why it had such a strange effect on me in comparison to anyone I've ever tripped with. And being the only one rolling around on the couch with mush mouth is kind of embarrassing when you come down lol. I've seen people ingest waaaaaay more and never even come close to having that kind of experience.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: BoomBoom]
    #21741301 - 05/30/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

See, I almost instantly go from euphoria and very light visuals STRAIGHT into a complete loss of reality. I've never had any other kind of experience except when taking so little it never had a chance to get past euphoria.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741323 - 05/30/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I feel I have like a natural tolerance to psyches, I won't even feel a gram and need about 5 for a nice trip. Even with LSD I need around 500 mics for a full blown experience


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21741335 - 05/30/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As someone else said, it may be as simple as you're more sensitive to the drug itself, or to changes in your perception than others. Are you on any meds?


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21741343 - 05/30/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Other than marijuana, nope. I do know that I am HIGHLY sensitive to SSRI's, but was never in any at the time of tripping.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741376 - 05/30/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have to head out, but I can look into more for you later. I do not know off the top of my head, although it may be possible that the SSRI  and the LSD were affecting the same or similar receptors in your brain. Even though you were taking the SSRI when you tripped, your brain has something called plasticity, which basically allows it to change over time. I do know that both SSRIs and LSD affect serotonin, but I'm not sure on their exact affects


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21741408 - 05/30/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, They're "selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors". I never even thought about there being a correlation with serotonin, it's possible you're on to something with that. I would like to point out that my finding out about my sensitivity to ssri's was nowhere near the times when I found out my sensitivities to psychedelics, nor was I on them long enough for them to have any lasting effects due to aforementioned adverse reactions, and did not have even a trace of those drugs in my system at the times of ingestion.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741427 - 05/30/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, even if you weren't on the SSRI's at the time, it may be possible that they had some lasting affects due to neuroplasticity.

Regardless, everyone is different and some people react differently. That may be the best answer you ever get.

I will look into further for you though.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741445 - 05/30/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SSRI's and psychedelics do hit some of the same receptors. I think that your sensitivity to SSRI's is a related phenomenon. I would suggest taking lower doses than your friends. It sounds like you are just hypersensitive, which is not unheard of.

Also, I would like to add that psychedelics do in general cause a separation from reality. So loosing touch with reality should be expected to some extent.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21741459 - 05/30/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I should be more clear lol, my findings about ssri''s was after my findings about psychedelics. If anything, the psychs affected the ssris, but I guess after typing it out, I can see that no matter which order I took them one could be affecting the other. Point taken. :p

I'm certainly not looking for some profound answer to my prayers, that's for sure. Just a little wisdom from people with more experience than my friends or me. I genuinely appreciate the effort though :smile: thank you!


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741475 - 05/30/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And I agree that the sepsration from reality is to be expected, I just feel like mine was a rather strong disconnection, unlike anything I had ever heard of or seen before. I'm glad that's it's not just me like I was beginning to expect though.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate]
    #21741496 - 05/30/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i genuinely think if you dose the day before and then take a smaller dose the next day you will find it a whole world different :smile:

also have you tried different methods of dosing.
i.e low dose fresh vs dried vs low dose tea for quick up and done quickly or capsules for slower release??
it can alter the come up, how hard and length quite some.

lots of things to play with.

even try frying up with some onion and bacon for sandwich to alter and titrate the dose to find your sweet spot.
pot noodle works quick and easy too!!


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21741560 - 05/30/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I've eaten fresh, dried, teas, in chocolates...even still, I've had that problem. I've never tried taking it the next day--I isually feel like I need to recover--but I have taken them at times that were pretty close together; within a week's span. It's really disheartening because I love the cultivation process.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: LadyKate] * 1
    #21742307 - 05/30/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this is a good thing. people spend years trying to reach that state. learn to appreciate it.


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: Deviate]
    #21742406 - 05/30/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Try microdosing until you find your right dosage, experiment this way to figure out if it has to do with a low tolerance.sounds likely


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Re: Apparent "loss of ego" or loss of reality every time [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21742529 - 05/30/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Try taking your dose longer over time? If you're eating say 4 grams, eat them 1 gram at a time spaced apart. I dunno, man.


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