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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: LSoares] * 1
    #25669356 - 12/10/18 05:48 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the advice friends!:mushroom2:

Ive got three different kinds of Opuntia.







I plan to plant them all in a outdoor bed on the east side of my greenhouse this summer.

I want to say they are all different color fruits.

Two i know will be fine living outside in zone 7b.
The other ill have to check with solarpassive as to where its from but im sure it will be good to go!

I was thinking i could sift some normal potting soil and add perlite?
I figured worm castings would be too expensive just to go outside.
Maybe add some brown volcanic rock on top.

All the ones i see around here are bunched up around pine trees and multched with the straw.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda]
    #25669399 - 12/10/18 06:44 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the advice friends!:mushroom2:

Ive got three different kinds of Opuntia.







I plan to plant them all in a outdoor bed on the east side of my greenhouse this summer.

I want to say they are all different color fruits.

Two i know will be fine living outside in zone 7b.
The other ill have to check with solarpassive as to where its from but im sure it will be good to go!

I was thinking i could sift some normal potting soil and add perlite?
I figured worm castings would be too expensive just to go outside.
Maybe add some brown volcanic rock on top.

All the ones i see around here are bunched up around pine trees and multched with the straw.




You dont need any fancy fertilizers with opuntia. At least not in my experiwnce. Those plants are survivors. Throw some in antarctica and im sure they will grow. They are nearly indestructable.

I wonder if the mulch you see helps with keeping warmth in. Sure helps im sure.

Good luck buddy.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25669465 - 12/10/18 07:37 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks ferrel.:thumbup:

Im sure it does.
Pine straw does work it's just so acidic imo.

I was just amazed they took to that acidic field dirt that always ends up around pines.
They have to be survivor's to endure that stuff.:rofl:

I may just go with multching it every winter.
I feel like all rocks would make it harder for them to spread.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #25669887 - 12/10/18 12:17 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Oh they grow within rocks as well. I saw a pic one time. Cant remember where. Gotta be on my stone eaters log. I tried one between to large stones and it grew but maybe not enough soil. Its roots spread on top of the rock. It was quite mad.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25670382 - 12/10/18 03:32 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the link Ferrel!:takingnotes:

Thats awesome!:thumbup:
I saw the picture you spoke of.

Gonna have to try that with a big rock I have.

Ill keep you guys updated on the outdoor Opuntia bed.
Ill probably do a grow log when the time comes.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #25670512 - 12/10/18 04:19 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Snakeye said:
Thanks for the link Ferrel!:takingnotes:

Thats awesome!:thumbup:
I saw the picture you spoke of.

Gonna have to try that with a big rock I have.

Ill keep you guys updated on the outdoor Opuntia bed.
Ill probably do a grow log when the time comes.




Word up buddy. Make it happen.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25820284 - 02/18/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Started rooting these 10/13/18 in a old litter box pictured above^


Today.
Yay! We've got lots of roots!:awesomenod:

I'm sure the others are the same.
I'll leave them be till spring and update when I make my Opuntia bed.

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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #25867743 - 03/11/19 02:42 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda] * 2
    #25916490 - 04/04/19 10:45 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I finally have my outdoor cacti bed!:awesomenod:

I went with garden soil/pea pebbles/perlite.
Then I added some cool stones to give the desert look!


Little empty on this end.
I plan to plant my variegated Agave Americana here.






Out of everyone in the cat box only one cutting didn't root so i separated the pads and cut the dead end off. Dipped cuttings in cinnamon and waiting for a callous so i can try again.


Every one seemed happy to go out except this guy. I'll try and snap a picture tommarrow but he seems to be going soft.
All the new pads from last year have turned white and are falling off. I thought the greenhouse may have gotten to hott it's first days back out so I watered and moved to a cooler sunny location to recover. Hope I don't lose it.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda]
    #25975216 - 05/06/19 08:00 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)


Rip
I tried my best to save you but the sunburn was too bad.:heart:

I'm actually very disappointed in myself for making such a newb mistake.
Live and we learn.

All the pads i separated struck roots even the dead end.

I'll update with bed pictures later.:awesomenod:



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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda] * 4
    #25998079 - 05/17/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I was gifted when I arrived home from work on this beautiful friday. Have a fun safe weekend
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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: fluffheadd]
    #25998453 - 05/17/19 05:56 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Beautiful!:sunny:


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda]
    #26002409 - 05/19/19 09:02 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)


Life Will Find A Way.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda]
    #26119173 - 07/20/19 04:42 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A squirrel ended up eating the pup above^
:facepalm3:

I harvested a fruit this year and got a bunch of seeds.
Plan to sow them soon.

Excited to see if the seedlings grow as fast as the adults.


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #26119211 - 07/20/19 05:26 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'm seriously looking for an Opuntia subulata var. monstrose or cristata (I'm not sure but it seems they name the same type both monstrose or cristata)... :smile:
Apparently this is caused by a phytoplasma, very interesting. Cause it should be able to cause fasciation on a grafted scion too.

Does this ring a bell for anyone?


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26119223 - 07/20/19 05:47 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)



These?

The smaller one was attacked by a caterpillar but will recover.
It was pupping like crazy and had a beautiful top.


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    #26119547 - 07/20/19 09:34 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yes but the cristate / monstrose form should look more like this I think:



Does it have nasty glochids? :smile:


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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26121310 - 07/21/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Solipsis, thank you for the response in the other thread.  Figured id leave the same pic here also.

Does monstrose necessarily imply a cristata though?  My experience only goes as far as buying the plant and then googling the image, lol, so they coulda put whatever they wanted on that label. 

Basically when i seen this plant, it looked like each branch needed its own lophophora graft, maybe a mix and match kinda thing. 

It was 3 equal size plants, in one pot that i was able to seperate so theyd all have their own and even take a few cuttings from to see how they do on their own.  Which all rooted well within 2 or 3 weeks.



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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: stagger]
    #26121526 - 07/21/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)



New additions to the Opuntia bed!

These are red fruit and I already have purple.

I'm looking for yellow fruits or any other cool variations now!
Hopefully I can squeeze some in before the natives take over.

Very happy how this bed is turning out!

Solipsis
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Re: The Opuntia thread! [Re: stagger] * 1
    #26121573 - 07/21/19 10:51 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Solipsis, thank you for the response in the other thread.  Figured id leave the same pic here also.

Does monstrose necessarily imply a cristata though?  My experience only goes as far as buying the plant and then googling the image, lol, so they coulda put whatever they wanted on that label. 

Basically when i seen this plant, it looked like each branch needed its own lophophora graft, maybe a mix and match kinda thing. 

It was 3 equal size plants, in one pot that i was able to seperate so theyd all have their own and even take a few cuttings from to see how they do on their own.  Which all rooted well within 2 or 3 weeks.






I have recently been wondering the same about monstrose and cristate growth. I can tell you how I figure it works based on what I read/heard etc (which I think is right and makes a lot of sense but you should fact check the hell out of it, and hold on cause it gets technical and just in case you don't know and for others to read, I will explain a lot):

(If you checked the Trichocereus thread, it is the cresting TPM x Sharxx Blue cactus that made me a little confused about the overlap or difference between cresting and monstrose growth.

Monstrose growth is a loss of apical dominance. Apical means referring to the apex (plural: apices) which is a growing tip.
There is a delicate balance of hormones in the plants, mainly cytokines and auxins which balance and complement each other's effects and can have opposite effects. This hormonal balance implies where the dominant apex/apices is/are, near this tip will be a relatively high concentration of cytokines IIRC, which cause there to be development of meristem.

Meristem is undifferentiated tissue like stemcells. It can be found in apices but also in areoles and under certain conditions other tissues can also become undifferentiated, usually when this no meristem left for the plant to develop but it can still survive.

So, with monstrose growth for some reason this hormonal balance is upset, which means that tissue is not only rolled out of the apical meristem, but is developing in many more meristem sites, I assume.
In any case: it is more a global thing about the relative concentrations of the hormones throughout the plant.

Cresting is different in that it is not a global thing that necessarily affects the entire plant, but a result of the meristem becoming oriented wrong basically. Normally it should be a bit like an escalator, developing tissue kinda from the top outwards like a fountain. But if it is somehow affected by hormones or damage or other causes like pathogens (which I think basically also disturb the hormonal household / metabolism), it can stop growing upwards like an escalator and can grow perpendicular, giving a sort of T-shape with a ridge: the crest.

HOw local the cresting is or how quickly it can revert depends on how fundamental the cause is. Often it developed sort of locally and just affects that main crest, that dominant apex. And cloning from a cutting that is not a part of this cresting apex may not result in more cresting, because it is local.
I recently had insect damage causing fasciation (= cresting) but it apparently reverted quite quickly, faster than when it happens from other causes I would say. Apparently this damage is more easily repaired by the plant.

I do also have a theory about monstrose or semi-monstrose growth like from melted wax forms but I won't bother you if you're not interested.

In any case, they are basically separate phenomena but can have overlap, to begin with because both can be connected with hormonal balance although in a different way. Applying 6-BAP (a cytokinin) to an apex can apparently result in cresting occasionally. I'm not sure if there are ways to cause monstrose growth because it is such a global phenomenon.. perhaps administering the right hormone systemically?

You can have both going on at the same time, like i think in my TPM x Sharxx Blue plant: it makes pretty random growth and 'clusters' of crests. The pretty random growth overall would be monstrose and the cresting of each apex would be cristate growth.

And now about the Opuntia: I see cristate, monstrose and combined malformed growth in different O. subulata plants. Honestly I am not sure which should be caused by phytoplasma but I think it is better to focus on cresting than monstrose growth.
I don't know whether it would be a smart move to get one which seems to also be monstrose, if it is the phytoplasma I am after.


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