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OfflineVibez


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Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics .
    #21739956 - 05/30/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know a lot of people, including family, that think weed and psychedelics  are worse than anything they do I.E cigarettes and alcohol...No matter what I say it goes out one ear and then the other. If I show them articles and studies they reply with, "Don't believe everything you hear on the internet"...pfft. Anyone had any success with these types of people? It would help to throw them off my back.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Vibez] * 3
    #21739962 - 05/30/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I gave up trying to convert people awhile ago. It just makes you look like a pretentious hippie. If people don't want to learn and explore for themselves, what can you really do?

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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21739966 - 05/30/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It really is a shame. I've known people that had been diagnosed with cancer, suggested weed and psychedelics. Even if they had not cured it it would have given them a very profound and spiritual experience before leaving. Although, I used to be very naive about drugs, yet here I am...


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Vibez]
    #21739972 - 05/30/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you realize how dumb and offensive that sounds?

"I have cancer"

"Try smoking pot and eating psychedelic mushrooms, it'll help you with your cancer."


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21739974 - 05/30/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Malcolm's right, and it doesn't just apply with drugs. It comes down to the human condition. For a person to accept what you're saying, it means they have to accept that you know more than them on some things. If they accept that, then it opens the concept that you may actually be smarter than them on many different things.
You're taking a chunk out of their belief system pyramid, metaphorically speaking. If they're ready to learn, they will teach them selves just as you did. You're past that stage already, so stop wasting you energy talking to them people, instead use your knowledge to develop an educated personal opinion and next time you meet a like minded person on this topic, you can share you opinion and develop rapport with them.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Webster10]
    #21739983 - 05/30/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Webster10 said:
Do you realize how dumb and offensive that sounds?

"I have cancer"

"Try smoking pot and eating psychedelic mushrooms, it'll help you with your cancer."




Patient: "I have cancer"
Doctors: "Here have some poison in your veins, killing your immune system, it'll help you with your cancer."


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Webster10] * 2
    #21739984 - 05/30/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Webster10 said:
Do you realize how dumb and offensive that sounds?

"I have cancer"

"Try smoking pot and eating psychedelic mushrooms, it'll help you with your cancer."




:lolsy:

I heard acupuncture, milk thistle, and yoga will also help cure your cancer.

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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Magenta]
    #21739992 - 05/30/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Magenta said:
Quote:

Webster10 said:
Do you realize how dumb and offensive that sounds?

"I have cancer"

"Try smoking pot and eating psychedelic mushrooms, it'll help you with your cancer."




Patient: "I have cancer"
Doctors: "Here have some poison in your veins, killing your immune system, it'll help you with your cancer."



Chemo actually helps though. Eating psychedelic mushrooms doesn't.

@malcolm - don't forget meditation, I heard if you chant ohm exactly the right amount of times per minute, your immune system doubles in strength. :rofl:


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Magenta]
    #21739995 - 05/30/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Magenta said:
Quote:

Webster10 said:
Do you realize how dumb and offensive that sounds?

"I have cancer"

"Try smoking pot and eating psychedelic mushrooms, it'll help you with your cancer."




Patient: "I have cancer"
Doctors: "Here have some poison in your veins, killing your immune system, it'll help you with your cancer."



Eh. I think this is a ridiculous way of looking at the situation. Chemo is definitely better than any of the alternatives (dying). And its actually saved lives before. Im not saying better treatments can't or shouldn't be developed, but its all we have right now


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740007 - 05/30/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some people think that any facts that don't come from their government-approved "sources" are fake. Their is no point in arguing with most of these people.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740010 - 05/30/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Weed has been proven to shrink tumour growth by 50%. I don't tell them to smoke weed, but to ingest or vape. I tell them the truth that it is no miracle drug, but studies have shown that it can help dramatically depending on individuals. What have they got to lose? Psychedelics won't cure anything per se, but if I'm correct they are used, in some countries, to help cancer patients overcome their situation. I don't by any means want to come of as offensive


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740012 - 05/30/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe i'm a sucker for the proper gander. To be honest, my self and anyone that's close to me has fortunately never been affected by cancer.  I'm not going to talk out my arse. I've read several alternative remedies in some organic agricultural booklet i got over a four day course, but i've never really looked into the situation to acknowledge how substantial the facts mentioned really are.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Magenta]
    #21740018 - 05/30/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Weed has been proven to shrink tumour growth by 50%





Source

@magenta

I appreciate you not talking out of your ass. My Aunt had pretty bad breast cancer and she's now in remission thanks to chemo. a kid I use to know in high school had leukemia and he's been in remission for about 5 years now. Obviously these drugs have some nasty fuckin side effects, theres really no denying that. But overall, I can't really begin to explain to you how grateful I am that it saved my loved ones lives.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740048 - 05/30/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, there is no use in even arguing wth these people, you know what I get a lot of times when I ask peopke whats wrong with pot, the'll say it's illegal, that's whats wrong with it, watcha gonna do to someone with that mentality?:shrug:


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740050 - 05/30/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It best not to open your mouth too much around non drug people. They most likely won't change their minds. They will probably be offended, and you are now incriminating yourself. You are basically asking people to break the law.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: stratocast]
    #21740061 - 05/30/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I look pretty straight edge so most people don't even think I do drugs :lol:

If someone has a question or legitimately wants to know my opinion, I still give them the cliff notes version.

Nobody wants to hear that preachy, pseudo intellectual, bullshit that you got off Wikipedia


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740090 - 05/30/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Weed is most definitely a miracle drug. A substance everyone could benefit in one way or another from. I bet, if humanity lived long enough to make it through the legal process, they would put cbd's in daily vitamins.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: King Klick]
    #21740107 - 05/30/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:rolleyes:

I don't understand why people are always saying WEED is miracle drug when its the CBD and not the THC thats actually exerting its effects.

When people with seizure disorders are treated, it's usually in the form of pure CBD oil. It's not like they're sitting around taking fats dabs and smoking blunts.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740116 - 05/30/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You search it, my friend. Its only a goggle search away...


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740123 - 05/30/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
:rolleyes:

I don't understand why people are always saying WEED is miracle drug when its the CBD and not the THC thats actually exerting its effects.

When people with seizure disorders are treated, it's usually in the form of pure CBD oil. It's not like they're sitting around taking fats dabs and smoking blunts.



Which is why I said cbd's in the vitamins...And because cbd's are in weed...:shrug:


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: stratocast]
    #21740125 - 05/30/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The law on drugs is completely bonkers...considering that there are far worse drugs out there than weed that's completely legal. "The Law" means jack shit these days....


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Vibez]
    #21740130 - 05/30/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

@Klick
I wasn't really talking about your claim specifically. I've just met a lot of people that think these folks getting treated are just blazing up and doing dabs.

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You search it, my friend. Its only a goggle search away...




That makes your job that much easier then.

This isn't how this works. You make the claim, you give a source.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #21740137 - 05/30/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
Some people think that any facts that don't come from their government-approved "sources" are fake. Their is no point in arguing with most of these people.



On the flipside, some other people think that any facts that don't come from government-approved sources are real. There often is no point with arguing with them either.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740142 - 05/30/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Vibez]
    #21740155 - 05/30/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good sources. My only gripe is this,

"Our findings help explain some of the well-known but still poorly understood effects of THC at low and high doses on tumor growth," McCormick added. He emphasized in an email to The Huffington Post that dosage is critical to outcome, since the wrong protocol can sometimes increase tumor growth, he said.

and this

"Preet says much work is needed to clarify the pathway by which THC functions, and cautions that some animal studies have shown that THC can stimulate some cancers."

Also, cancer is so diverse from person to person it would literally be impossible to find the correct dosage to fit a specific person. I just don't see it gaining any real traction in the scientific community. I could be wrong though. We'll see.


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Re: Teaching naive people about weed and psychedelics . [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21740168 - 05/30/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, tch isn't a miracle drug. You may get great results or none at all, you have nothing to lose once you got cancer. Why not?


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