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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21745726 - 05/31/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: twighead]
    #21745731 - 05/31/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's like saying Nuclear missiles are more dangerous than a car accident.

Just because they CAN cause more damage doesn't mean they actually do.

That's gotta be the stupidest arguement I've heard ever.

How many people died this year from a nuke? None? How many died from a car accident?

That's literally the perfect metaphor for what you're describing.

Stop spreading misinformation about a breed just because "hurrduurrr they're scaaary"


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21745841 - 05/31/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You really need to chill out.  There's no reason to make this personal, that doesn't help your case.

I would say that nuclear missiles are definitely more dangerous than a car accident.  I mean nukes could potentially kill us all.  I think that metaphor actually helps my case here, but mostly it is like comparing a massive rabies outbreak with a single dog bite.  They're just not on the same scale.  I think that everyone knows what we're talking about: the potential for considerable danger in a given scenario, rather than the likelihood of danger in all given scenarios even including totally negligible danger.  I consider it very misleading to say that pit bulls are more aggressive than labs, and now you're trying to preform some mental gymnastics involving semantics and absurd metaphors, but I didn't ask for that.  I'd prefer some outside sources to back that up, because I'm sorry but I don't know you well enough to trust your judgement.

Labs and pit bulls are on the same scale.  They're both dogs and I'd say they are more similar than different, but labs are notoriously friendly when pit bulls are notoriously dangerous.  One of the things people say about labs is that they're awful guard dogs, because if an intruder comes the dog will probably invite them in for a beer.  One of the things people say about pit bulls is that the only way to get them to release their bite is to kill them, and even that doesn't always work.  Are these things always true?  Doubt it, but these statements aren't totally unfounded.

Also from what I read here nobody said anything bad about pit bulls in this thread.  You came in and said that labs are more aggressive than pit bulls, and used what I thought to be a misleading statistic to back this up which I took issue with.

In plenty of other situations I have defended pit bulls, but the evidence shows that they have a considerable potential for aggression that involves death or bodily harm when compared to other dogs.  This is not just because of their bite force, it is because alot of things I'm sure, but that is what the evidence shows.

Here's a metaphor for you: this is like Bitter Cactus trying to say that marijuana is more dangerous than speed.  You have nothing to back up what you're saying other than your own personal account, and just judging by your words here, they kinda show that you may be prone to emotional overreaction and overcompensating for negative stigma.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21745850 - 05/31/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't make this personal at all?

I never insulted you.

If you're insulted by your own outlandish and ridiculous arguments that's on you, not me.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21745853 - 05/31/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21745926 - 05/31/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't make this personal at all?

I never insulted you.

If you're insulted by your own outlandish and ridiculous arguments that's on you, not me.




Ok maybe you're just a tactless debater, but you're quite rude.  I wouldn't say I'm insulted, as I've said I don't really know you well enough to trust your judgement, but clearly you're a hypocrite who loves hyperbole and thinks that a "literally perfect metaphor" for comparing two breeds of dogs is nuclear war vs car accidents.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21745931 - 05/31/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You really need to chill out.  There's no reason to make this personal




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but clearly you're a hypocrite




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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica] * 3
    #21745975 - 05/31/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Other than your personal opinion, what evidence do you have that labs are more likely to bite than a pit bull on a case to case basis.  Obviously that is the context here as OP is asking about getting a dog, not every dog, so statistics that show that more popular dogs are more likely to bite someone overall are useless.  What I'm asking is not to tell me to fuck off and insult my intelligence, because I don't think I ever did that to you, I am asking you to back up your statements using evidence.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21746784 - 05/31/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Then shut the fuck up. I've had both. The pits have always been far nicer, you can't claim thats the owner, because I owned both.




Yeah, but in all fairness pit bulls are known to be extremely loyal to their owners. To outsiders, not so much.

Also, I used to work as a veterinary technician when I was younger. They taught us that the number 1 dog breed to bite other humans were Dalmations.

The number 1 breed most likely to bite other dogs? Pitbulls.

This is however, simply based on hospital data analysis and surveys.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21746797 - 05/31/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've had a fostered several labs. They were all great dogs super friendly, easily trained, loyal companions. Just overall great dogs. My dad currently has a chocolate lab/ German short haired pointer he's a bit smaller than a full grown lab but he's an awesome dog.

My personal favorite is the husky but they are a lot to handle. They need lots of exercise and grooming.

Another good suggestion I think would be a beagle.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: burningstar06]
    #21746816 - 05/31/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

^^yeah, I was about to suggest beagle too. They are very sweet-natured dogs. In fact, scientists prefer to use beagles for animal testing because beagles very rarely ever bite people and are such gentle dogs. :feelsbadman:


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #21746828 - 05/31/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: burningstar06]
    #21746965 - 06/01/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah they're pretty great.  Don't get me wrong I have met some wild ones.  One free-roaming Black Lab bit up a Shetland Sheepdog we had when I was younger.  It was a pretty ugly situation, but even then our dog was ok it just needed a few stitches.  My brother also suffered a pretty bad attack from what I think was a Springer Spaniel my family had when I was a baby, which I think was pretty much unprovoked.  That same Sheltie that was bit by the Lab also bit me in the face once, but I only had little puncture wounds and redness and if I'm being honest I was totally asking for it :tongue:

Sometimes even really good dogs can have things that set them off and cause them to bite on reaction too.  You can develop a really deep and special relationship with pretty much any dog or animal, but since any dog can bite (and very likely will at some point) getting a dog that is less likely to harm you if it does is definitely advisable for new owners.

If the dog is going to be cooped up in an apartment all day a Lab is probably not a good idea.  I never really badmouthed pit bulls but I think I did badmouth little dogs.  Mostly I find them to be insufferable (I do love them, but they're obnoxious), Beagles are definitely an exception to that, they're not really that little though.

Honestly some of the coolest and most amazing dogs I have ever come across have been mutts, mongrels, and mixed breeds.  I think people kinda overestimate the human influence on dogs through breeding.  Breeding maybe brings out specific characteristics in different ways, but it is definitely not what makes dogs intelligent or good companions.  If anything I think it can get in the way of those things when taken to an extreme.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21746979 - 06/01/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I never really badmouthed pit bulls



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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21747136 - 06/01/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Jeez people. Well done for  :derail: can a mod please clean up the crap?

I am just considering going to a local dog shelter, having a look at them all, spending some time with dem and asking the staff what would suit me. I've got the dog till tuesday/maybe wednesday


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21747139 - 06/01/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey :shrug: maybe it is just the owners giving them a bad name for the most part

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Several studies determined that pit bull owners, and owners of other "vicious" or "high risk" breeds (most commonly identified as Akita, Chow Chow, Doberman Pinscher, Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix), are more likely to have criminal convictions and are more likely to display antisocial behaviors. A 2006 study compared owners of "high risk" dogs to owners of "low risk" dogs. "High risk" dogs included “vicious” dogs by breed (e.g., pit bulls) or “vicious” actions (e.g., any dog that had bitten, attacked, or killed a person or other animal). The study determined that "high risk" dog owners had nearly 10 times as many criminal convictions than did "low risk" dog owners.[45] A 2009 study[46] and a followup 2012 study generally supported these findings.[47]




Still though, as far as what you can say about a breed I think it would be borderline irresponsible to not at acknowledge a pit bulls tendency for aggressive violence.  Sometimes water dogs don't like to swim and sometimes fighting dogs don't want to fight, but it is not like people are making this stuff up.  The history is there and there's plenty of evidence even if labeling dogs is an imperfect science.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: daz01]
    #21747140 - 06/01/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can get little pigs as pets they are much smarter then dogs.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21747143 - 06/01/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And judging from the average American palette, much less of a liability in times of famine :wink::awesome:


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21747144 - 06/01/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Plus they probably taste better too. I don't know that for fact, but pork ribs are pretty tasty.


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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: daz01]
    #21747746 - 06/01/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Jeez people. Well done for  :derail: can a mod please clean up the crap?

I am just considering going to a local dog shelter, having a look at them all, spending some time with dem and asking the staff what would suit me. I've got the dog till tuesday/maybe wednesday




Great idea get the one that you feel is right for you and your circumstances


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