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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. *DELETED* [Re: Psychonautica]
#21744130 - 05/31/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: stevo]
#21744142 - 05/31/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate to appear conflicting, after being accused of harvesting negativity, but this is a legitimate question. Am i the only member here that has never seen a dog bite a person? I have seen a dog nip a person as to say 'piss off and stop pulling my tail cunt' but never a full on bite. I just read all this and i think that people are either talking out their arses or are extreamly careless around dogs.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
#21745168 - 05/31/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychonautica said: Everyone saying labs are the best dogs is silly.
Labs bite more than any other dog breeds I've ever seen. Dunno why everyone says pit bulls are evil, I've never once seen a pit bite anyone but I've seen labs attack people on multiple occasions.
Could you flesh out that statistic (or unsubstantiated generalization) a little bit? Labs are almost never mean IMO. They will play-bite and dive tackle you, but they're generally well disposed I think, and usually really love being around people, which is why they are so popular.
Pit bulls can be mean as fuck. Like I have never seen a drug dealer (or anyone) with a Labrador Retriever as a gaurd/fighting dog, but I have seen drug dealers keep pit bulls who are mean as fuck, mostly I think bc they are neglected and stuff, and they're known for biting and not letting go.
I'm sure more labs bite people because labs are like the #1 breed of dig in the US, that only makes sense.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745249 - 05/31/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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they're not independant like cats
they're annoying, they never wanna stop playing
they take a lot of attentnion, they need it and it's never enough unless it's a female
males, they'll never get tired of it, ever
you need a lot of free time basically
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: cube talk]
#21745295 - 05/31/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My dog smells like joy and corn chips where cats smell like piss.
I've had cats that are incredibly obnoxious and will never leave you alone, never stop mewing, and never stop rubbing it's weepy eye on people.
You definitely need free time and patience to own a dog. I think if you're single it would be a huge responsibility, but if you live with a couple of people who all chip in it is not really so bad.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745319 - 05/31/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My current cat NEVER stops bugging me. Constantly tripping me over because she rubs my legs all day....
And she wants to go in and out every 5 minutes. I will hand it to her though, she is very smart. She has opened doors many times before.
When she isn't bugging me though, she just keeps to herself, but that only happens 20% of the time she is awake.
Dogs are like real companions, I mean hell that is why humans kept them domestically in the first place. They expect you to treat them well, but with a little time and effort, your dog will become your best friend. Nothing is better than chilling on your couch with your dog on your lap.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745391 - 05/31/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SOURCE:
http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_11796291
"unsubstantiated generalization"
Fuck off. All you ever do is post your opinion around everywhere like it's fact.
The only reason pit bulls are considered dangerous is because they have a hell of a lot more bite force than black labs.
Labs are FAR more aggressive than almost every other breed I've ever been in contact with, regardless of owner or how it was raised. You know why drug dealers use pit bulls as guard dogs? It's because of their ridiculous amount of bite force they can generate.
Fuck off with your bully breed propaganda.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21745432 - 05/31/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not trying to butt in and sound like a know it all but have had 2 pitt bulls and doggysitted a bunch of them until they found good homes and I can say most the stereotypes of pits are falsePeople don't keep labs as fighting dogs because pit bulls have bigger and stronger jaws and a lab wouldnt make as good of choice. that's not a really good reason to blame the dog. Quite often these dog fidghters mix them with other larger dogs anyway. If they had another dog as a fighting dog it too would be mean, and all the owner's fault for tormenting the dog. Dogs really don't generally bite people for no reason when they're treated like family and not a way to raise crack money. Statistically certain breeds are more defensive and pit bulls rank low as being super mean and yappy to visitors. I can't get mine to bark like he means it no matter how hard I try where my labs always just knew "bark really mean at stranger". lol.
But by all means get whatever dog you want. They will love you to the end if you be nice to the dog. And pit bulls and all dogs are a big responsibility some times. My pit is kinda territorial and get jealous towards other new dogs and especially cats that come in the yard.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: stevo]
#21745447 - 05/31/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Straight back German Sheppard if you have time to take it to puppy school / obedience school and socialize it correctly it will be a very loyal and wonderful friend for life.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica] 2
#21745524 - 05/31/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey I just call 'em like I see 'em bro. I don't claim to know everything, just more than all other humans. I'll admit that one of my pet peeves is people who don't understand how statistics are often used to make sweeping statements without actually considering things, and I probably get off on correcting people to some extent, but at least I know how to properly qualify my statements.
So according to your link:
2,060 reported dog bites in this area with around 700k dogs.
13.3 percent were labs, and 8 percent were pit bulls.
I cannot find data on how many pit bulls are registered in this specific area, but they are not even in the top 10 dog breeds according to the AKC (77th in US). Part of this could be that they are often not really connected to kennel clubs, and that the people who are drawn to pit bulls are less likely to register their dog. This alone makes them much more dangerous, since a dog that is unregistered is less likely to be properly vaccinated. Labs are the #1 dog breed in the US.
or from your article again:
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That does not mean that Labrador retrievers bite more often than other breeds, the experts said. To try to determine which breed bites the most, there would have to be a dog census, accumulating total numbers of each breed, and then a breakdown to compare breeds. Those numbers are not available.
The survey found 13 "maulings" by dogs.
Fisher said the maulings were by a variety of breeds, including two by pit bulls, two Rottweilers, a Labrador retriever and a hound dog, among others.
italics/underline = me
I've never been one to demonize pit bulls, but you seem to be way biased on the other side.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745529 - 05/31/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
#21745557 - 05/31/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Q: Do pit bulls bite more than other dogs?
Depending upon the community in which you live and the ratio of pit bulls within it, yes and no. But whether a pit bull bites more or less than another dog breed is not the point. The issue is the acute damage a pit bull inflicts when it does choose to bite. The pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style causes severe bone and muscle damage, often inflicting permanent and disfiguring injuries. Moreover, once a pit bull starts an attack, firearm intervention may be the only way to stop it.
When analyzing dog bite statistics, it is important to understand what constitutes a bite. A single bite -- recorded and used in dog bite statistics -- is a bite that "breaks the skin." One bite by a poodle that leaves two puncture wounds is recorded the same way as a pit bull mauling, which can constitute hundreds of puncture wounds and extensive soft tissue loss. Despite the "quagmire" of dog bite statistics, pit bulls are leading bite counts across U.S. cities and counties.15
http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php
Would you dispute any of those statements?
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745563 - 05/31/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That pitbulls kill more people than other dogs? No shit. It has double the bite strength of most other dogs.
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This alone makes them much more dangerous,
Literally lost all of my respect with that one line though.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica] 1
#21745587 - 05/31/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Square dog or fucking bust

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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
#21745629 - 05/31/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. To me that is something to keep in mind when considering dogs, how likely it is to kill you. Barking and jumping up can be obnoxious, and some people consider it improper, but that is more of an individual personality thing that varies quite a bit within any breed. Real aggression with dogs is things like raising haunches, low growling, and giving the death stare. Labs are more socially aggressive, but the ways that pitbulls are aggressive is distinctly violent and short fused.
Of course this is not the dog's fault. People bred them for this specific reason, and continue to breed and fight them. I don't think bull/bear baiting is really common anymore, and those practices are illegal most places I think. The dogs do not hate or have an agenda with people, but still they're more dangerous not only because of the genetic advantage they have in inflicting serious harm, but because there are plenty of jackasses who do make a point to live up to the negative stigma these dogs have.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745651 - 05/31/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Labs are more socially aggressive.
Pick a side to argue for fuck sakes. You're flip flopping like a politician. That's the whole point I made and you were arguing with
I'd rather have a pitbull that has a chance to kill me IF it ever attacks than a Black Lab that will bite and nip at strangers for no reason, and then eventually get put down for being a dangerous dog.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
#21745692 - 05/31/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But labs are not more dangerous. There are less reported bites in general (when relative populations sized are considered) because labs are less likely to bite. All I'm saying is that they're more likely to put their teeth on you, which is only a bite by the loosest definition of the word, and not usually considered that aggressive by people who are comfortable with dogs. I'm pretty sure alot more pits are put down (again when considering relative population sizes as well as # of bites).
Like if you know dogs you know that there's nothing to fear from barking and jumping. What you worry about is raising haunches, low growl, and death stare.
It is just part of the way pit bulls are wired to zone in and prioritize doing damage, where labs were intended to work with people and be attentive to commands.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745703 - 05/31/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, you CLEARLY know so much about dogs since you think pitbulls are dangerous.
Ever owned one?
No?
Then shut the fuck up. I've had both. The pits have always been far nicer, you can't claim thats the owner, because I owned both.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: Psychonautica]
#21745719 - 05/31/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh you've had both dogs? I didn't realize you had an anecdote. I like how you flip out over me forcing my opinions on others when I question your sources, then proceed to shove your opinion in my face when I ask you to back your statements using some sort of clear reasoning.
All dogs are potentially dangerous. Pit bulls in general are more dangerous than labs. I would say that most dogs that kill or seriously harm humans or other animals are considered the nicest dog in the world by someone. It is no guarantee that a lab won't hurt you or the people you care about, it is just much less likely.
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Re: Thinking of getting a dog. Need dog experts. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21745724 - 05/31/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Pit bulls in general are more dangerous than labs.

Man, this GIF is gonna get used so much here.
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