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Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain?
#21739614 - 05/30/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Often I hear this argument going back and forth between the scientific and religious communities. The question being, is life a mechanical chance going along an evolutionary path or a intelligent design?
In this talk I'm going to try to find a deeper understanding on what stands true by being open to both perspectives. In life we have a whole spectrum of possibility. Some of us might become dancers, artists, or musicians. Using colour, sound, or motion with emotion as our medium of expression. Other will learn to be great thinkers, very analytical and scientific in their studies. Becoming our leaders in science and technology. Both, have it be philosophical or physical observation are valid ways to view our own nature.
The human brain consists of two hemispheres connected by the corpus callosum. Each hemisphere different in it's perceiving qualities. The brain uses both the left and right hemispheres at once while pulling meaning out of expression. The left hemisphere is very analytical and linear, it defines most of the frequencies that we see as solid shapes The right hemisphere lacks the ability to define objects or shapes. Its creative and emotional in an expansive sense. Now mainstream studies done on left and right brain function talk about there being no proof that one side dominants the other from person to person. This is a true fact but not the right one for this discussion. I'm just talking about tapping into certain parts of the brain by choice.
The thought that scientific proof is more true or right then spiritual belief is an absurd idea. As kids we are brought up to be highly left brain thinkers. Like theoretical smart computers, storing all of our memories onto a hard disk. Ready to use at any moment, all in fixed interpretations. Any kind of art class in school are not deemed as important when studying life. Infact we grade the arts even though all artistic expression is valid expression. We deprive ourselves by defining our artistic meditative states as not being a valid interpretations of life. I believe this is where most of the confusion comes from when debating matter over mind or mind over matter.
In Tibet monks devote their lives to study their own nature and their relationship to the earth. To be raised in a spiritual setting is such a different mindset altogether from a scientific point of view of life. Could it be the left and right hemispheres of the brain that help create these two complete opposite perspective? In Hinduism it's believed everyone has male and female spiritual qualities which are not always balance and sometimes switched. This religion also holds a belief that there is a higher state of consciousness called non duality. The ability to not define the duality of our inner qualities as good or bad but to experience them as undefined consciousness. In other words an experience generated by stimulating the right hemisphere or by possibly isolating parts of left.
Now when I discovered this It struck a chord in me. I realized I've seen the very same principles in quantum physics. Its in the nature of the electron under observation in the double slit particle or wave interference review. It showed that an electron, a tiny piece of matter acted like a wave under no observation yet acted like a particle when observed. This can only really be explained by saying our conscious brain changes the outcome or we drop the idea that consciousness resides in our brain but in the space and energy itself. In context this would be conscious energy acting like an ocean of undefined waves yet when consciousness views the pattern of energy it defines it as one finite droplet. This mirrors the principle of a non duality consciousness. The idea that only when you view life and define it will you experience that one part of life. Yet this is being observed in the nature of matter. I believe the intuitive mind is just as good of a tool for seeking the truth as science is. We must study the science of art then the art of science to find the bigger picture.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Sammysong]
#21740311 - 05/30/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't really think so. I feel like that assertion is an effort of those who are not seekers to neatly label and contain something that they don't understand.
In my path it's said that on the subtle level the right side of your brain contains the sum of all past experiences (karmic, personal, unconscious) and the left side is the identity/ego. So really both sides of the brain can serve or hinder your development.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Sammysong] 1
#21740607 - 05/30/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God plants a seed. It sprouts a universe. The universe sprouts stars. The stars sprout planets. Planets sprout life. Life sprouts...
All God did was plant a seed, the rest of it is evolution. Thats some intelligent design right there.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Asante]
#21741420 - 05/30/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very nice metaphor, Asante. I personally infer that it means God is not directly responsible for the shit-storm in which we find ourselves. There's an awful lot of folks mad at Him. I think that's ignorant.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#21741526 - 05/30/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its OK if people are mad with him, they often feel they have good reason to. God doesnt want everybody to admire him or, well, we would. God is Love, but also fear, rage, genocide, hemorrhoids, rheumatism, all the glory and all the doom.
Its easy to say "my God won't do such a thing." bit if thats so then you worship a lesser God, because the greater God truly is all things.
The God of Genesis 1, that God is beyond Good and Evil. He MADE the Devil and everything the Devil could possibly be up to. "Here, go play."
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Asante]
#21741731 - 05/30/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Universe is more of a place for God to self-experiment and reassurance as love only and biological life is one of the tools.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Sammysong]
#21743994 - 05/31/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, the right side of the brain is a product of spirituality
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Chronic7] 1
#21744274 - 05/31/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: No, the right side of the brain is a product of spirituality
This makes sense to me.
We have been very unbalanced for a very long time. There has been a leaning towards the left-brain and the masculine (logic, reason, order, structure, authority etc) throughout history. The right-brain and the feminine (creativity, intuition, expression, compassion etc) has been suppressed and subdued. Spirituality is about bring both of these aspects of ourselves back into balance to create unity and harmony. And because everything is swung so much to the left, most of the emphasis has to be on the right and increasing the feminine energies within ourselves.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: PocketLady]
#21744276 - 05/31/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah that's my understanding of it too PocketLady
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: PocketLady]
#21747298 - 06/01/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, what i meant to say is that spirituality isn't the 'product' of anything, but that everything is the product of spirituality, as in spirit is the very foundation and source of our existence rather than a result of our existence, although do believe that the goal of human evolution is Self-realization, balancing the brain could certainly be part of it!
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Chronic7]
#21747693 - 06/01/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah I agree Spirit is definitely paramount
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Chronic7]
#21751700 - 06/02/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: Yeah, what i meant to say is that spirituality isn't the 'product' of anything, but that everything is the product of spirituality, as in spirit is the very foundation and source of our existence rather than a result of our existence, although do believe that the goal of human evolution is Self-realization, balancing the brain could certainly be part of it!
Yeah I agree with that I do believe that balance is an important part of self-realisation. The duality of this existence is referred to in so many places: yin/yang, sun/moon, positive/negative, masculine/feminine, ida/pingala etc. If we assume the outer is like the inner, then in order to transcend duality, we must balance and unite these energies within ourselves.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Sammysong]
#21770221 - 06/06/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm just talking about tapping into certain parts of the brain by choice.
Tapping into intuition is a very wonderful exploration of life and a very worthwhile goal. . . it comes in many shapes and forms, a union between logic and intuition has often been described to be the essence of a lot of art and so forth; how to access the intuition by choice is a very good question. The simplest and most effective way I have found is by tai chi, and other practices; they all coalesce to form a whole.
That is, each has its place in the scheme of things. Clarity practices, such as meditating in restful ease upon the trees on the horizon, or meditating at a pond or lake or river - these have their place; healing and strengthening practices, such as climbing, unifying energy (self-faith) and so forth, these have their place. Being free from concepts and ideas is a very fascinating one - to experience without attachment, is basically what I would say that is; in this way new information is available, and we're able to take it in. . .
Putting the highest thoughts and ideals before us, every moment of the day, is a useful step toward for achieving those - then at some point all striving falls away because one sees the unity of self and universe.
It is interesting that this idea, of doing nothing, is so prevalent throughout the world, seen as the highest wisdom in quite a few traditions.
Humanity has learned how to do everything, now we just have to realize how to be at peace; how to enter into the sacred realm by way of stillness, and know the value of it - that is, the value of saving and protecting all species equally.
Realization does seem to be happening more quickly; the singularity has already occurred - in fact it's always been one; and always been connected, and living beings have been awakening to the highest peace, always; now-a-days we are able to find enlightened teachers a little more quickly - if we look for them - thanks to the internet -
yet it still comes down to, as it always has, our own path.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Sammysong]
#21771264 - 06/06/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The organs of perception are not the same thing as consciousness, and "spirituality" is about the archaic word for consciousness in the West, namely spirit. the spirit of humans may be those aspects of the consciousness that we do perceive, but we do not generate it. If anything, our organism receives it. Unlike space-time, consciousness is not extended in space or time. It is immaterial, insubstantial. I would go so far as to say it is what we mean by Ultimate Reality, Holy Spirit among Christians, the Great Spirit among Native Americans, but names like Tao also apply.
Humans get bogged down when Ultimate reality, God, becomes saddled by tribal names like Allah or Yahweh, and treated AS IF God was a possession of a particular culture. As Paul wrote in Acts 17:28 about God, we are like fish in an ocean of divinity, "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, for we are also his offspring." Paul was quoting the didactic poet Aratus (died 240 BCE) in his work Phaenomena and suggesting that like the poet's conception of Divinity, God was not to be worshipped by temples and statues, but was an omnipresent (All Present) Reality. That does not mean that God is 'located' everywhere, because location demands spatial coordinates, and spatiality requires duration in time. The Present is the Etenal Now (see Paul Tillich). God (or consciousness) is not physical but is ontologically prior to space-time, i.e., it is metaphysical (prior to the physical, where 'physis' in Greek means nature, hence God is prior to nature, creation).
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21772132 - 06/06/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is, of course, very true that God is universal,
and it is so interesting and cool that when you say that, mention (All Present) Reality, those word bring it home more and
then when i say universal too brings it down more for me,
that is, of course, probably a symptom of the fact that is eternally new, and refreshing,
that is one of the interesting things about it. . hard to express it - or kind of simple too,
but it's crazy just to like feel it; it's always new.
Always.
Wrap your head around that.
I mean any legitimate conversation of God would simply get to
ah wow
pretty quick and stay there.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: once in a lifetime]
#21776761 - 06/07/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean any legitimate conversation of God would simply get to
ah wow
pretty quick and stay there.
It wouldn't be a conversation per se, but rather a Realization. The Real. The Eternal Moment defying duration. Incomprehensible.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21791879 - 06/11/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only aspect of God, is as an Immateriality, is as a Spirituality, God being the Single substance from which the Reality of Everything is derived, the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of Everything that Exists, in the Material sense of the Word, however.
It being however, that God has no Mass, is not readily apparent, is not measurable (God being Omnipresent) as to Location and Momentum at the same time, the existence or non-existence of God being Uncertain.
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Re: Is spirituality a product of the right side of the brain? [Re: Sammysong]
#21792826 - 06/11/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sammysong said: The only aspect of God, is as an Immateriality, is as a Spirituality, God being the Single substance from which the Reality of Everything is derived, the Heavens and the Earth, the Universe, the Reality of Everything that Exists, in the Material sense of the Word, however.
It being however, that God has no Mass, is not readily apparent, is not measurable (God being Omnipresent) as to Location and Momentum at the same time, the existence or non-existence of God being Uncertain.
Paradoxically, God is spoken of as "substance," as in the Christian doctrine of the Trinity wherein God is described as "Una Substantia, Tres Personas' (One Substance, Three Persons). Even the term "Omnipresent" is deceptive, as is the expression attributed to Blaise Pascal that God "is an infinite sphere whose center is everywhere and circumference is nowhere” - Pensées (1669); Section II The Misery of Man without God. We cannot seem to escape spatial metaphors for God when the better metaphor would be transcendental dimensions. The Dr. Quantum animation suggests a being that is apparently 'external' to a lower dimensional being, yet is experienced by the lower dimensional beings as being 'within' their corporate selves. We cannot visually imagine higher dimensions as we can lower ones. These concepts can apparently be developed mathematically, but not our imagining mind is fairly limited by our sensory experiences. Our dreams and psychedelic visions do not occur in a spatial dimension and the duration of dreams while measured 'objectively' by REM readings in a sleep lab, may 'seem' to be a lot longer or shorter, subjectively speaking.
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