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Stonehenge
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> College graduates do not gravitate towards socialism and communism, though perhaps they don't fear it as much as others
You just validated what I said. You call it something else but love socialism with a touch of capitalism.
>The point was that massive Government spending has been proven to help the economy.
All spending benefits the economy. The question is, is the cost of this spending worth it?
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: zorbman]
#21785400 - 06/09/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zorbman said: It's a myth that war spending is good for the economy. A popular one that has and will get a lot of people killed.
As noted in my last post above, I agree it's one of the worst ways to spend money. But big spending helps the economy nonetheless (why would it not?)
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: See World War II as an example of how spending massive amounts of money helps an economy.
No, the U.S. economy recovered only after WWII because most of the countries in Europe -- where the war was waged -- were devastated, their factories and infrastructure destroyed, leaving the U.S. left standing as the world's sole superpower.
No, the Great Depression ended at the start of WWII, and the US economy had completely recovered by the end of the war.
Europe recovered from the war by the 50's, yet the US economy continued to grow well into the 70's thanks to New Deal policies. It wasn't until the 80s that middle class growth finally ended.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Shins]
#21785480 - 06/09/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: Just because colleges yeach keynsian economics does not mean that it is "evidence" it works. Are you really daft enough to presume that?
I guess you've not familiar with something known as 'the scientific method'? It's what colleges use to determine what they teach.
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Shins said: Spending money on infrastructure is not necessarily beneficial, what a retarded thing to say.
Thanks for that wonderful explanation. I totally get it now. 
Of course it's beneficial. The people building roads get jobs and spending money, businesses can use the roads for commerce, people can use the roads for travel... If ad hominem attacks is all you can argue with, you're in the wrong forum.
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Shins said: Let me spell this our for you clearly; not you nor all the college professors not john maynard keynes himself is smart enough or informed enough to dictate what proper spending is. You have what is called a "pretense of knowledge" you are arrogant enough to think you know what is best for eveyone, but you do not and never will.
And your qualifications to think you know better than professors who spend their whole lives studying this are what exactly???
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Shins said: The free market has a thing called prices - in a free market prices are set organically and collectively in the market and they are -indicators- to where spending is benificial to an economy or not. You keynsian socialists completely ignore the market and go on with your phony pet projects, allthewhile distoring supply and demand and misallocating resources - wasting them and making it impossible for businesses to plan for the future reliably.
So in your mind, Government shouldn't fund things like schools? Education is only for people born into wealth? A fine system you propose.
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Shins said: You inflate asset bubbles which pop and cause depressions. How you could ever advocate such a broken and corrupt system puts your character into question.
Apparently you don't understand what caused the housing bubble. Banks lowered lending standards to everyone because they could resell their mortgages to people that didn't understand the risks. Why not? Lots of profit, and no risk. That's what businesses do in an unregulated free market!
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And the socialists central bsnk and governments of america made legislation andnloans which allowed them to do so.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Shins]
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Banks don't make legislation, and besides that, it was a lack of legislation that allowed them to do so.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Shins]
#21786369 - 06/10/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: And the socialists central bsnk and governments of america made legislation andnloans which allowed them to do so.
Drunk as fuck.
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Stonehenge
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>Banks don't make legislation
Lol at the naivete. In another thread you were arguing that big money controlled politics.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Banks don't make legislation
Lol at the naivete. In another thread you were arguing that big money controlled politics.
Perhaps I should have said the Federal Reserve doesn't make legislation.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Banks don't make legislation
Lol at the naivete. In another thread you were arguing that big money controlled politics.
Perhaps I should have said the Federal Reserve doesn't make legislation.
The federal reserve is the biggest of the big banks, and represents its shareholders,; the big banks.
"give me control of a nations money supply and I care not who makes the laws" - amschel Rothschild.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Shins]
#21791009 - 06/10/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: The federal reserve is the biggest of the big banks, and represents its shareholders,; the big banks.
The big banks do NOT own the Federal Reserve.
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Shins said: The federal reserve is the biggest of the big banks, and represents its shareholders,; the big banks.
The big banks do NOT own the Federal Reserve.
They own Federal reserve stocks and elect board members.
The Federal Reserve was the Idea of the big banks and was created to protect them.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Shins]
#21792119 - 06/11/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The board members are appointed by the President. The banks don't elect them.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Enlil]
#21792372 - 06/11/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The board members are appointed by the President. The banks don't elect them.
Some are, some are appointed by the banks.
regardless, the big banks are Federal reserve shareholders. It is a requirement to buy fed stocks to be a bank.
the federal reserve was created by banks, for banks to protect themselves from their own ponzi schemes after they collapse into bank runs.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Enlil]
#21792449 - 06/11/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The board members are appointed by the President.
From a list thoughtfully provided by financial institutions, including members of the Federal Reserve.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Enlil]
#21793567 - 06/11/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The board members are appointed by the President. The banks don't elect them.
What a relief.
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have any of you seen this? what do you think of it? real or fake?
seems after this threat america is on the backfoot in alot of areas! not based on this report alone.. fact check sources and find your own truth. coincidence? why are they now so quick to appease putin?
im really starting to hate this system  i dont know what to think! i feel like a jew in nazi germany but we have no country to escape to for a better life for our familys.
i fear as things are going its too late and we are heading for something... war i dont know?
maybe putin is a hero and we all should be kissing his ass as he has done the most to destabalize the imf, rothschilds, bankers and big corporation ect.
he is doing what we all should and standing up to the tyrants who are putting their fingers into every pie!
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mustangbob3 said: have any of you seen this? what do you think of it? real or fake?
seems after this threat america is on the backfoot in alot of areas! not based on this report alone.. fact check sources and find your own truth. coincidence? why are they now so quick to appease putin?
im really starting to hate this system  i dont know what to think! i feel like a jew in nazi germany but we have no country to escape to for a better life for our familys.
i fear as things are going its too late and we are heading for something... war i dont know?
maybe putin is a hero and we all should be kissing his ass as he has done the most to destabalize the imf, rothschilds, bankers and big corporation ect.
he is doing what we all should and standing up to the tyrants who are putting their fingers into every pie!
Nonsense. No one is being treated like a Jew in Nazi Germany. I'm assuming you live in the US.
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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Le_Canard]
#21805057 - 06/14/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol no im in the uk. and i didnt say i was treated or anyone else is like a jew in nazi germany.
only that i find myself in a similar position in my mind and that is who do you trust.
the parallels dont need to be drawn up.
the situation in the mind is the same and citizens are forced to make these decisions of what side they are on!
stay apart of system and think that its all nonsense. or to do the opposite just incase.
we know how it turned out for the jews who thought it wasnt and couldnt happen.
its a very similar situation. who do you trust.
and if you make the wrong decision what will the unforeseeable outcomes.
even without being subjected to anything we all are in this situation if we like it or not!
what decision will you make?
me myself have no idea what is for the best for everyone and the best for my children
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