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OfflineArenis
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War is inevitable!
    #21739377 - 05/30/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Discuss. This website has long been dead on on most things and it's last few days dont sound too nice.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Arenis]
    #21739648 - 05/30/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the war started long ago!!
check the history of the last 10 years.

it needs no formal declaration... the world is at war.
no need to wait till its on your doorstep... plenty of places shits got real fast!!

what shits me is them north africans stayed in that shit hole country when there was no food, home and rain ect watching there children starve to death... but they stayed.

now thousands and thousands are on the move from the area like rats leaving a sinking ship.
makes me thinks things are worse than we know or are being told/shown!!

i also worry heavily about the suez canal falling into the wrong hands before a full blown ww3.
it could be very strategic to hold that area... especially for the navy. imagine having to go all the way around the cape of south africa very time consuming for military movements.

im sure china and russia defo have their eyes on it!!
would serve them well to have it if they stay strong allies
it would be a strong safe supply route and a gateway to the med sea.
also only leaves limited options for naval attack to there part of the world, and if we didnt have the canal they know wich way we coming from with plenty of warning!!
and gives them ample time to plan and defend such ways of attack.
taking the canal splits naval warfare into 2 open areans in my opinion.
then it would all rely on strenght and who can keep supplied the longest.
leaving us no option to draw them out to fight away from supply routes, which they wouldnt do- so creating a stalemate situation that would only prolong things and cancel the navy out of the action and so weakening our position.

would be an easy goal to aim for too with all the unrest in the arab states and is a good and clever military tactic and away of putting distance (water) between your army/home country and the enemys, good for defence and makes your enemy work harder and use more resourses for less gain( suez canal is a major trade route for europe that we rely on- stopping the route would cause a great shortfall and would eventually lead to a rationing system in the uk once again as supplies are constricted and forced to add months on to the ships journey to europe)
think about the vietnam war and we see how making your enemy work harder can even out the battle and can make a small force of soldiers a formiddible oponent that drains resourses and prolongs the war.
i see the victor of ww3 being the side that controls and has the most resourses and also makes the most of these ( im not talking military resourses)

am i the only nutter who can see this happening!!:kingtard:


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #21741716 - 05/30/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We may be at war with china soon. They are building military bases on islands in the china sea area claimed by many nations. They warn usa flights they are not allowed to fly over, but we fly over anyway. Soon as they fire on us, its going to get ugly. I don't think obumble will attack the Chinese mainland but you never know with that goof. If they shoot down some of our aircraft, sink some ships, it will escalate rapidly. China has more force in the area, they are more likely to win. Then do we attack bases on the mainland? That's all out war and the icbm's will follow.

We have pledged to uphold the rights of our allies in the region, japan, s korea, and others with interests. Can we afford to wimp out or are we prepared for war?


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21744298 - 05/31/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you think any US president would declare war on China over a downed spy plane, you need to pick up a history book.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21745450 - 05/31/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

NINE (9) Divisions to take on Russia?

It will take a lot more then that.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Arenis]
    #21755372 - 06/02/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed. War is coming.

The false economic recovery is faltering. Something big will be needed to deflect attention and pitchforks away from corrupt politicians and their elite puppet masters when the bottom really starts falling out this Fall ..

War is the classic playbook they always go to.

It accomplishes several things: 1) It galvanizes the country behind the leaders, 2) It occupies restless young people who'd otherwise be burning everything down, and 3) It allows the government to crush dissent as "unpatriotic".

But first some minor skirmishes must be fought to lay the groundwork.

One is capital controls and another is the looming War on Cash.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: zorbman]
    #21774152 - 06/07/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not necessarily. Theres several factors that cant prevent economically induced warfare. The most major is a break through in alternative energy sources. Another is social forces. Were very aware of how devestating modern warfare would be. There would be no real winners in any general conflict in this day and age. Theres also a modern renaissance thats going to come to fruition with in the next few decades. Automation is going to recreate the exact same conditions that spawned the industrial revolution and lead to a radical paradigm shift globally. All of these forces make predicting whether or not theres gonna be another state of generalized warfare very hard to predict. Currently no one is heading in that direction.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21774394 - 06/07/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>modern renaissance thats going to come to fruition with in the next few decades

Bodhi, that exact same thing has been said for about 100 years and we are no closer to it. The more people have the more they want.

>Theres several factors that cant prevent economically induced warfare.

That's true. While war is stupid, the usa practices it constantly. If we can't rise above it how is anyone else going to?


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21774520 - 06/07/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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>modern renaissance thats going to come to fruition with in the next few decades

Bodhi, that exact same thing has been said for about 100 years and we are no closer to it. The more people have the more they want.

>Theres several factors that cant prevent economically induced warfare.

That's true. While war is stupid, the usa practices it constantly. If we can't rise above it how is anyone else going to?




Yeah, and the EU is much better (sarcasm). Don't think the us is a "one of a kind examples". Most countrys in Europe has Soldiers in some ongoing war, including mine. Theire all the same, those leaders... Fucking fascist!


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21775295 - 06/07/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Automation, specifically the automation of vehicles is going to leave an estimated 10 million people out of a job in the usa. That alone is going to put enormous strain on the economy and social atmosphere of the country. Vehicles arnt the only thing being automated either. Jobs are being phased out faster and faster day by day. Its already reached the point where more are lost to automation then gained per year. This is a massive shift in power, and I dont think people will remain quiet about it while the technology and its scope matures over the next few decades.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21775765 - 06/07/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bodhi, you sound just like the people at the early 20th century who sounded just like those when the industrial revolution came about and we still have them today. The car will put carriage builder, livery people, and buggy whip makers out of business. TV will mean theaters must go as well as radio. The tractor will put thousand of farmers into the poorhouse. Those are just a few things that were said.

They also said that about automation ever since there was automation. If a machine can do the job of 20 people, then the price of goods go down benefitting all. Those who were doing the old job will get new jobs making machines. When those jobs are automated there will be other jobs. How many openings for IT people were there 30 years ago? Not many but now its a hot field.

What if one machine could do all the work on earth and build new machines and repair itself? Would everyone be out of a job? No, we would all be rich and share in the abundance. Someone has to buy the goods or perhaps they will be free or almost free? Think about that.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21776146 - 06/07/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That only works up to a point. There already is a distinct shortage of jobs vs people who are capable of working. There is an estimated 8 million people who are currently unemployed. Which is an extremely generous number because it doesnt take into account part-timers or temp positions. Something thats a lot more indicative of the situation is people living below the poverty line, which is around 45 million. The number of open job postings as of right now is only 4 million. Throw in the 10 million middle class workers on top of that and suddenly theres a major shift in the economy. Huge loss of tax dollars and economic stimulus. So now theres 55 million or around 16 percent of the US population living in abject poverty. Coupled with the massive increase in disparity automation is going to drive and you have a festering problem in the way we govern ourselves. Not only is automation slowly going to eliminate almost every factory job out there, its going to rid us of tons of other jobs including customer service areas thatll be phased out by passable AI. If you think having 40% of your population out of a job and in poverty while the rest live in absolute extravagance you're a little naive. There will be huge shifts in the way we operate as a society. I say that because it wont just effect the US, its going to be global among developed countries.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #21777974 - 06/08/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Theres several factors that cant prevent economically induced warfare.




What I was referring to by "War on Cash" is not economic warfare, although I would argue that has already begun, but an actual move to ban physical cash. Europe is teetering already -- they, like us, never recovered from the 2008 economic crisis -- and I believe that this Fall they will start to collapse hard. There's already a run on Greek banks.

No cash? No bank runs. It also allows governments to track and tax everything. The people aren't spending enough? You can be forced to spend by taking it right out of your bank account. Don't think they'll do that? Ask the folks in Cyprus. That was the dress rehearsal.

As for modern warfare being unthinkable, I beg to disagree. All out nuclear war? Maybe not. But that may not be necessary, especially with proxy wars. When economies tank, they always take you to war. Just like in the Great Depression. You had the rise of Stalin, Mao, and Hitler and WWII followed. Hopefully the next big war won't have a III behind it.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21778131 - 06/08/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>There already is a distinct shortage of jobs vs people who are capable of working. There is an estimated 8 million people who are currently unemployed. Which is an extremely generous number because it doesnt take into account part-timers or temp positions.

What?? Obumble says unemployment is below 6%. Are you calling him a liar? That's racist.

>There will be huge shifts in the way we operate as a society.

Now you are on the right track. More automation means more productivity which eventually translates into prosperity. There was a little dislocation when machines first came out and its continuing.

zorb, good points.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21778234 - 06/08/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Socialism is the only feasible end result I see, assuming we remain a representative democracy.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21778250 - 06/08/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Socialism is the only feasible end result I see, assuming we remain a representative democracy.






One problem;  socialism isn't actually feasible.


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Shins]
    #21778274 - 06/08/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Except where it already is feasible.  :shrug:


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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21778372 - 06/08/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, since ss is fully funded there is a shining example of socialism being feasible. Oh wait, its funded with worthless iou's. Never mind. Ok, lets look at the post office then, but its losing money every year. Help me here, fal, show us where socialism works?


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    #21778437 - 06/08/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: War is inevitable! [Re: zorbman]
    #21778513 - 06/08/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats impossible. Its simply a different distribution model of taxfunds. Not to mention the military is the best model of socialism out there, and theyre not gonna run out of money anytime soon. Shes another aristicratic goon keeping the interests of banks and the elite at the forefront of society. She holds no loyalty to the common man.


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