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This statement is based on limited understanding, as is all bigotry.
Reading comprehension = bigotry?
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Re: Islamic Propoganda [Re: Rahz]
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You will forever be an outsider peering through the window of the club house, hoping not to get caught.
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Islamic culture is very oppressive. I don't know why anyone would support such a silly world view outside of 700AD.
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Because it is based on ancient tradition and is all mystical and stuff.
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Oh well if it was written down long ago then it has some superior authentic description of the nature of reality. It has too!
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That's fucking right, because the further back you go the smarter and more advanced technologies then were
It would make sense they would have all the unconformable answers.
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Go back even further in time when Trilobytes had full knowledge of The Cosmos, they just couldn't write it down, so they made impressions with their bodies to educate future species.
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Re: Islamic Propoganda [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said: I have spent a great deal of time dealing with the subject of myth and non-literal translation. You are suggesting that is what Islam is about? Aren't you a gnostic? How do you think 99% of the Christian world feel about your views? In different times, they would put you on a stick.
You can ooh and ahh at their pretty works, but I'm pretty sure you would still be persecuted unless you submit in a way that satisfies their desires. You will forever be an outsider peering through the window of the club house, hoping not to get caught.
I hold a Gnostic view of religious phenomena. That does not mean that I fall into the same trap that mainstream 'believers' do by taking (Gnostic) myths as historical events. Mohammed's flight from Mecca to Jerusalem on the back of a Buraq - a human female-headed flying horse - obviously cannot be interpreted as an objectively historical event. It, like other magickal events and theophanies must be interpreted as inner experiences, which in turn are open to speculation as to whether they exist independently from psychospiritual perception as metaphysical and 'objective' realities. In Islam, there can be no identification of the human awareness with divinity, unless of course one is a Sufi, which while being 'Islamic,' is not considered to be Islam by Sunnis and Shiites.
Just as in Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs with Self-Actualizers comprising the tiny top of the pyramid, esoteric (e.g., mystics, Gnostics) religionists similarly comprise a tiny minority in Abrahamic religions. And true enough, the Realizations of mystics in these religions usually render the authority and rituals of the religious organization completely superfluous, thereby threatening the power-mongers that you (and I) despise. That is part-and-parcel why mystics like Jesus and his apostles, al Hallaj, Meister Eckhart, Giordano Bruno, and so many other were sent to the stake. That kind of death would terrify anyone and serve as a lesson to anyone who would threaten the status quo. Unlike many of the more extraverted mystics and visionaries who publicly taught their 'heretical' views, Gnostics held their tongues, worshipping alongside the mainstream 'believers' as a spiritual 5th column, entertaining their own unique interpretation of liturgical words inwardly and not valuing the extraverted value of martyrdom. "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison." - Matthew 5:25
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Cognitive_Shift said: Islamic culture is very oppressive. I don't know why anyone would support such a silly world view outside of 700AD.
it may not make much sense to someone living in comparable comfort and security, living by the beat of a different drum..
i was going to do a post about the time i went to one of the most dangerous places in south africa, but i will just say it was a hellish gang run, disease and drug riddled broken down place where you couldnt tell if someone on the street was 24 or 64. chances of getting out are next to none..
some of the most respectable looking people i saw tho were the muslims in their colourful mosques. islam gives hope, community, protection and a clean life.
it makes sense, strength in numbers, strength in solidarity and shared purpose.. it is one of your best shots at a life. and good on em, because no one else is coming to help
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Re: Islamic Propoganda [Re: quinn]
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quinn said:
i was going to do a post about the time i went to one of the most dangerous places in south africa, but i will just say it was a hellish gang run, disease and drug riddled broken down place where you couldnt tell if someone on the street was 24 or 64. chances of getting out are next to none..
Sounds similar to the ghettos of america.
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Re: Islamic Propoganda [Re: quinn]
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it is one of your best shots at a life. and good on em, because no one else is coming to help
If someone comes to help it is called Imperialism and is usually repaid by violence, hatred and mistrust. If no one comes to help it is called apathy.
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Although the help does come in the way of killing people, destroying infrastructure, homes pretty much everything. Setting up a puppet regime in the crumbling infrastructure destroyed in "spreading democracy" in a highly destabilized new government, then leaving it worse off then it was before and creating new enemies along the way.
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OrgoneConclusion said: The American Way!
FUCK YEAH
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Re: Islamic Propoganda [Re: quinn]
#21750873 - 06/01/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think Rahz pretty much summed it up well. I don't think anyone who has read the Qur'an can make the statement "my understanding is the Qu'ran instructs only to fight and kill those who oppress and terrorise muslims..." without being intellectually dishonest.
Mohammed was apparently a warlord who married a six year old girl. Again, I ask; why is it necessary to defend a religion in order to extract a tiny diamond from an inordinate dunghill? Some great medical knowledge was obtained from experiments performed on humans by Nazis during the holocaust, but that doesn't mean you have to defend Nazism in order to speak highly of the medical knowledge attained.
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Young girls have been forced to marry men who could that be their grandfather for thousands of years. It's a human thing, not a islamic thing. In unregulated societies i'm sure it goes on to this day.
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A nuclear war between USA and Russia bring us back to the stone age. The less technological and specialized civilizations becoming prominent powers in the post apocolypse environment.
With my solar battery and IPad with the all the worlds encyclopedias, me and my dynasty through ruthless control and brutality become elected overlords of the Earth.
Don't ask for details this was divinely prientated and is beyond questioning.
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