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OfflinePatlal
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France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops
    #21738485 - 05/29/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Basically, if you build a commercial building you have to be green. Either contribute to the grid or aair quality. Of course, 99.999% of them will choose the garden (IMO) due to the massive diifference in cost but at least an effort is done

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A new law was approved in France recently that requires the rooftops of every new building in a commercial zone to be partially covered with either solar panels or plants. Environmental activists in France wanted all new buildings to be completely covered by plants or solar panels, but the French government only went about halfway to that point.

It did not want to pass a law that would be too “extreme.” The rationale was that legislation that imposes too much extra cost on businesses (even if it’s just upfront costs leading to financial savings) can have a damaging effect on an economy. (It will be interesting to see if there will also be an economically stimulating impact due to the extra solar power activity and extra purchase of plants and supporting materials.)

The point of adding solar panels is obvious enough — generating electricity cleanly — but if you’re confused about the second part, including plants can help buildings by deflecting sunlight so that they stay cooler during hot periods, and they also provide extra insulation that allows the buildings to retain heat during cold weather.

Over the long term, building owners might save money by generating a portion of their own electricity and by paying less in utility bills (if their green rooftops do reduce cooling and heating costs significantly).

Interestingly, solar panels not only generate electricity, but also have a similar insulating effect. Green rooftops also attract and support birds in urban settings that can otherwise be fairly inhospitable to them. They also can help reduce the heat island effect in urban areas, so temperatures during summers are comfortably decreased.

France currently relies mostly on electricity from nuclear power, but many of these power plants, and this new law seems that it will result in a lot more solar power systems being installed.

American researchers found a number of years ago, that green rooftops can reduce global warming and climate change. “The researchers found that replacing traditional roofing materials with green roofs in an urban area the size of Detroit, with a population of about one million, would capture more than 55,000 tons of carbon. That is roughly similar to eliminating a year’s worth of carbon dioxide emitted by 10,000 mid-sized SUVs and trucks.”

NASA has published some information on green rooftops as well.

Of course, green rooftops are probably more aesthetically appealing, but this effect is not agreed upon by all.

While the new law didn’t go that far, people could choose to put both plants and solar panels on their roofs….




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You may choose only one


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21738508 - 05/29/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath] * 1
    #21738512 - 05/29/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

love it.

i'd pick solar panel.  shit'll pay for itself eventually


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: memes] * 2
    #21738513 - 05/29/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

at the same time; i don't like being forced to do anything.  but since it's just commercial buildings, i'm good with it.  corporations aren't people, despite what SCOTUS says


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: memes]
    #21738553 - 05/29/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i like the idea, but it seems like a heavy handed law

they should provide an incentive for companies to do that, not force them to


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Adolin]
    #21738684 - 05/29/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what classifys as commercial?  are they saying small mom and pop stores will need it?

if its just the big corps then this makes perfect sense, those dirty bastereds make so much money pinching pennys, only way to get them to NOT fuck shit up is to write specific laws about it.  If it wasn't for clean air acts n shit, our air would look just like china, well it kinda does in cali anyway but thats just because they are stupid.

anyways i like this law, but what they should have done was just bought the biggest shipment of solar panels from china, and put that shit on every building they could find, then just bill it to mcdonalds or walmart as a service fee


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #21738703 - 05/29/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you can afford a commercial building, you can afford to throw up some solar panels or a few plants. We're a wasteful species, need to learn to use the space we have better and this is a good start.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21738705 - 05/29/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its not gonna be Europe, or America that will be damaging the environment. Most of the world population growth is in asia and africa. A lot of good this will do for the environment right... Maybe we can set a good example though. :whistling:


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21738717 - 05/29/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The law is great to have but the ability for such a law to exist I think is kinda fucked


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21738740 - 05/29/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Does this look like a French forum op?,

Merica ftw!

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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: zZZz]
    #21738840 - 05/29/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good shit. Someone has to force these greedy capitalist fucks to not fuck up the environment an at least somewhat help contribute to saving it


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Janky Tits]
    #21738868 - 05/29/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, idk I think the solar panels are a better option. The power companies are starting to get pissed off that they have to pay their customers for power instead of the other way around. Some states have made it illegal to be able to sell excess power back to the power companies because they have lobbied against consumers ability to make their own electricity. Fucktards.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-no-solar-20140810-story.html#page=1


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koods] * 2
    #21738873 - 05/29/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Solar energy is a sham.

Nuclear produces way more energy and no pollution if it is done right. Nuclear energy is the energy of the future not some stupid solar panels that can barely power a flash light.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21738882 - 05/29/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dude people with solar panels get paid BY the power companies because they produce more electricity than they use.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21738959 - 05/29/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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so france just went full retard


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koods]
    #21738974 - 05/29/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Solar energy is a sham.

Nuclear produces way more energy and no pollution if it is done right. Nuclear energy is the energy of the future not some stupid solar panels that can barely power a flash light.



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Dude people with solar panels get paid BY the power companies because they produce more electricity than they use.



Not only are they producing more than they use, they are producing soooo much more than they use that the power companies have spent millions to make it against the law for them to have to pay us...

Nice try though. Nuclear energy is safe when done right. Until an earthquake hits, or a bomb hits it. Or a meteorite hits it.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21738986 - 05/29/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Solar energy is a sham.

Nuclear produces way more energy and no pollution if it is done right. Nuclear energy is the energy of the future not some stupid solar panels that can barely power a flash light.




nuclear energy is fucking stupid, more and more are being built, and more and more are going to do what the ones in japan did, its not a question of if, its a question of when.  and so far, the things setting them off have been fairly mild, something big happens and a bunch get set off, or a war happens, and then all a sudden an entire country can't even man their fucking nuclear reactors and then they all fucking go up and then an entire country is a fucking fallout game.

it seriously amazes me how badly people can't think this through, all they want is the cheap energy and smaller bills, but fuck the future. and even if god comes down to earth and prevents that inevitable future from happening, your still stuck with more and more barrels of waste that are doing the same dam thing


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21739275 - 05/29/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah radiating the planet is much more damaging then carbon emmisions. cesium 137 which japan released into the ocean has a half life of 30 years and it mimicks red blood cells apparently, so one is on your food, you can get cancer as will circulate around in your body... Stuff in the reactor, 2 million year half life. Much longer then our own evolution. Those melt down sites will need to be taken care of forever.. literally an ongoing project to take care of even thousands of years later for humans. What if civilization collaspses and we can't care for those sites anymore. Who knows what can happen in the future, the tetonic plates move, japan could sink into the ocean eventually or something, then that reactor site will slide into the ocean. We'll need to extract it somehow eventually and put it somewhere more safe.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: CaptainKurt]
    #21739500 - 05/30/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shoot that shit into the sun. It's the only way for us to be rid of it in as a responsible citizen of this galaxy.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21739542 - 05/30/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting law. Due to the economics, I think most property developers will probably opt for solar panels; a garden requires a much stronger roof structure, a lot of maintenance and doesn't generate any economic returns.

As to the issue of nuclear power, there seems to be quite some ignorance in this thread. For instance, unmanned reactors don't just blow up; that's an inaccurate thought. Also, there are a few reactor architectures that haven't been exploited yet but that offer much less nuclear weight and much more (passive) safety. Thorium filed molten salt reactors are particularly interesting and several countries are currently making plans for building prototypes. This energy revolution is potentially much more significant than the solar and wind power boom we are witnessing, although they can be perfectly synergetic!


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koraks]
    #21739545 - 05/30/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Idk dude I really think nuclear energy is gonna blow the earth friendly shit out of the water BY FAR soon.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21739583 - 05/30/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

fusion reactors are the future, fission reactors are thepast, solar pannels are chill tho, thats just using space economically


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21739733 - 05/30/15 03:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
Good shit. Someone has to force these greedy capitalist fucks to not fuck up the environment an at least somewhat help contribute to saving it




This type of thought process drives me nuts. The government has brainwashed everyone into thinking all big corporations are evil, and gets everyone on their side when they want to impose more and more taxes and regulations  on them. This way the big companies will be seen as knocked down closer and closer to the level of the consumer. That'll teach em.

All those rich assholes on their expensive yachts will be just like me now. Nope. These "Greedy capitalist fucks" produce all the jobs, and when they get hit with more taxes it doesn't do the average joe any good at all. In fact it hurts because the money lost will be recouped from laying off workers and higher prices. Nobody's going to be selling their yacht or doing anything that would effect their lifestyle, but will be passing all losses on to the little guys. More taxes on the rich hurts the poor, but the exact opposite is what's being propagated. 






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Thoughts?




Sounds like a wonderful idea, but the fact it went into law makes me wonder the true nature of the beast. I don't follow how the government in France runs their business, but I think they all pretty much run the same. I would imagine you wouldn't have to dig real deep to find connections with those who put this law into action with companies that have contracts to do the work needed for these new companies. Think of how much money will be made now that it is mandatory for companies to do this. I don't really see the harm in any of this, but you have to suspect there will/has been some cronyism involved when they put something like this into law.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Salomon]
    #21739869 - 05/30/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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fusion reactors are the future, fission reactors are thepast, solar pannels are chill tho, thats just using space economically



Fusion sounds appealing, but the technical complexity is so vast (and so much larger than with any fission design) that I doubt it's a realistic option. Plus, there's a lot of room for improvement in fission topologies which is much easier to realize than fusion, so fusion may just be a tantalizing opportunity but simply inferior in terms of economic and technical feasibility to fission. Still, I'm curious as to what the ITER project is yielding in terms of challenges, solutions and results.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koraks]
    #21741668 - 05/30/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this is the future!



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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: zZZz]
    #21741708 - 05/30/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

can't believe 75% voted yes


It's not the governments place. I want a small government, not one telling me I have to put a fucking garden on my roof if I start a business.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21741775 - 05/30/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

France has serious smog problem in it major cities. It's a problem solving law. That's all it is. Plus they are very enviromentally frendly down apparently


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21741782 - 05/30/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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France has serious smog problem in it major cities




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Plus they are very enviromentally frendly down apparently





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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21742299 - 05/30/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koraks]
    #21742384 - 05/30/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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fusion reactors are the future, fission reactors are thepast, solar pannels are chill tho, thats just using space economically



Fusion sounds appealing, but the technical complexity is so vast (and so much larger than with any fission design) that I doubt it's a realistic option. Plus, there's a lot of room for improvement in fission topologies which is much easier to realize than fusion, so fusion may just be a tantalizing opportunity but simply inferior in terms of economic and technical feasibility to fission. Still, I'm curious as to what the ITER project is yielding in terms of challenges, solutions and results.




although current i would agree that fission plants are one of the better sources of wide spread power next to hydro electeric i'm talking the future future

brauh its closer to being a realistic option every day, check out dis lab. the uk is on dat shit

http://www.ccfe.ac.uk/introduction.aspx


http://www.ccfe.ac.uk/Fusion_power.aspx

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DEMO

Once the scientific and engineering systems have been tested on ITER, the next stage will be to build a demonstration fusion power plant integrating the results. Designs are already advanced for this prototype machine, known as ‘DEMO'.

DEMO will produce two gigawatts of electrical power to the grid, a similar output . to a standard electrical power plant, and could be online in the 2040s. If successful, it will lead to the first generation of commercial fusion power stations




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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Salomon]
    #21742495 - 05/30/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I got in a huge fight with a guy on facebook about this a few weeks back. He thought that FRance was fucking saving the world or something. I say its a frivolous waste of money to mandate that a new business should have to install expensive components onto thier roof which is like one of the most critical part of a commercial building to maintain. What an economy booster good job France! Roof garden :burke:


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21742525 - 05/30/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course, 99.999% of them will choose the garden (IMO) due to the massive diifference in cost but at least an effort is done




If you actually look into it you'll see that installing a roof garden does literally fucking nothing at all except that you have to pay engineers to design it and then once there its nothing but a fucking giant money pit that you have to now pay someone to maintain. If you install solar panels you might see a return toward the end of the roofs lifetime if none of the break or bullshit...maybe. Fortunatly they didnt pass the orginal bill that the enviromental activists were pushing for which was absolutely ludacris so i think if you jus have like one solar panel or a couple plants your fine.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21742643 - 05/30/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh no NOT FREEDOM. NOBODY CAN TAKE AMERICANS FREEDOMS.

While france is passing laws to make the world a better place texas recently got even closer to passing open carry laws.

Solar Panels are great. I dunno how much you can get from a commercial building but on houses you can MAKE money by putting juice in the grid.

Pretty pathetic that people are crying about something that is in a different country and has to do with cooperate building and businessmen and in the end is doing the right thing and saving the planet. But oh no anything that even makes the tiniest bit of possiblity that an americans freedom is infringed must be taken out with full military operations and wars


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #21742655 - 05/30/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh no NOT FREEDOM. NOBODY CAN TAKE AMERICANS FREEDOMS.

While france is passing laws to make the world a better place texas recently got even closer to passing open carry laws.







i'd rather have open carry laws than some french asshole telling me to build a garden on my fucking roof


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Adolin]
    #21742667 - 05/30/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gresh said:
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kakashi68 said:
Oh no NOT FREEDOM. NOBODY CAN TAKE AMERICANS FREEDOMS.

While france is passing laws to make the world a better place texas recently got even closer to passing open carry laws.







i'd rather have open carry laws than some french asshole telling me to build a garden on my fucking roof



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

plus he makes open carry laws sound like a bad thing :facepalm:


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Adolin]
    #21742675 - 05/30/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gresh said:
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kakashi68 said:
Oh no NOT FREEDOM. NOBODY CAN TAKE AMERICANS FREEDOMS.

While france is passing laws to make the world a better place texas recently got even closer to passing open carry laws.







i'd rather have open carry laws than some french asshole telling me to build a garden on my fucking roof




Difference in cultures truly is amazing :P


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: kakashi68]
    #21742745 - 05/30/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
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Gresh said:
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kakashi68 said:
Oh no NOT FREEDOM. NOBODY CAN TAKE AMERICANS FREEDOMS.

While france is passing laws to make the world a better place texas recently got even closer to passing open carry laws.







i'd rather have open carry laws than some french asshole telling me to build a garden on my fucking roof




Difference in cultures truly is amazing :P



Australia is a dystopian nanny state hellhole!

Suck on that!


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: twighead]
    #21742802 - 05/30/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

for real.

just look at their officials



that guy looks sketch if you ask me.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Adolin]
    #21743026 - 05/30/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow! They really are weird! :gameover:


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