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OfflinePatlal
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France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops
    #21738485 - 05/29/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Basically, if you build a commercial building you have to be green. Either contribute to the grid or aair quality. Of course, 99.999% of them will choose the garden (IMO) due to the massive diifference in cost but at least an effort is done

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A new law was approved in France recently that requires the rooftops of every new building in a commercial zone to be partially covered with either solar panels or plants. Environmental activists in France wanted all new buildings to be completely covered by plants or solar panels, but the French government only went about halfway to that point.

It did not want to pass a law that would be too “extreme.” The rationale was that legislation that imposes too much extra cost on businesses (even if it’s just upfront costs leading to financial savings) can have a damaging effect on an economy. (It will be interesting to see if there will also be an economically stimulating impact due to the extra solar power activity and extra purchase of plants and supporting materials.)

The point of adding solar panels is obvious enough — generating electricity cleanly — but if you’re confused about the second part, including plants can help buildings by deflecting sunlight so that they stay cooler during hot periods, and they also provide extra insulation that allows the buildings to retain heat during cold weather.

Over the long term, building owners might save money by generating a portion of their own electricity and by paying less in utility bills (if their green rooftops do reduce cooling and heating costs significantly).

Interestingly, solar panels not only generate electricity, but also have a similar insulating effect. Green rooftops also attract and support birds in urban settings that can otherwise be fairly inhospitable to them. They also can help reduce the heat island effect in urban areas, so temperatures during summers are comfortably decreased.

France currently relies mostly on electricity from nuclear power, but many of these power plants, and this new law seems that it will result in a lot more solar power systems being installed.

American researchers found a number of years ago, that green rooftops can reduce global warming and climate change. “The researchers found that replacing traditional roofing materials with green roofs in an urban area the size of Detroit, with a population of about one million, would capture more than 55,000 tons of carbon. That is roughly similar to eliminating a year’s worth of carbon dioxide emitted by 10,000 mid-sized SUVs and trucks.”

NASA has published some information on green rooftops as well.

Of course, green rooftops are probably more aesthetically appealing, but this effect is not agreed upon by all.

While the new law didn’t go that far, people could choose to put both plants and solar panels on their roofs….




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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21738508 - 05/29/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath] * 1
    #21738512 - 05/29/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

love it.

i'd pick solar panel.  shit'll pay for itself eventually


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: memes] * 2
    #21738513 - 05/29/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

at the same time; i don't like being forced to do anything.  but since it's just commercial buildings, i'm good with it.  corporations aren't people, despite what SCOTUS says


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: memes]
    #21738553 - 05/29/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i like the idea, but it seems like a heavy handed law

they should provide an incentive for companies to do that, not force them to


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Adolin]
    #21738684 - 05/29/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what classifys as commercial?  are they saying small mom and pop stores will need it?

if its just the big corps then this makes perfect sense, those dirty bastereds make so much money pinching pennys, only way to get them to NOT fuck shit up is to write specific laws about it.  If it wasn't for clean air acts n shit, our air would look just like china, well it kinda does in cali anyway but thats just because they are stupid.

anyways i like this law, but what they should have done was just bought the biggest shipment of solar panels from china, and put that shit on every building they could find, then just bill it to mcdonalds or walmart as a service fee


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #21738703 - 05/29/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you can afford a commercial building, you can afford to throw up some solar panels or a few plants. We're a wasteful species, need to learn to use the space we have better and this is a good start.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21738705 - 05/29/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its not gonna be Europe, or America that will be damaging the environment. Most of the world population growth is in asia and africa. A lot of good this will do for the environment right... Maybe we can set a good example though. :whistling:


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21738717 - 05/29/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The law is great to have but the ability for such a law to exist I think is kinda fucked


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal]
    #21738740 - 05/29/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Does this look like a French forum op?,

Merica ftw!

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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: zZZz]
    #21738840 - 05/29/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good shit. Someone has to force these greedy capitalist fucks to not fuck up the environment an at least somewhat help contribute to saving it


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Janky Tits]
    #21738868 - 05/29/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, idk I think the solar panels are a better option. The power companies are starting to get pissed off that they have to pay their customers for power instead of the other way around. Some states have made it illegal to be able to sell excess power back to the power companies because they have lobbied against consumers ability to make their own electricity. Fucktards.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-no-solar-20140810-story.html#page=1


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koods] * 2
    #21738873 - 05/29/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Solar energy is a sham.

Nuclear produces way more energy and no pollution if it is done right. Nuclear energy is the energy of the future not some stupid solar panels that can barely power a flash light.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21738882 - 05/29/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dude people with solar panels get paid BY the power companies because they produce more electricity than they use.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21738959 - 05/29/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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so france just went full retard


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: koods]
    #21738974 - 05/29/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Solar energy is a sham.

Nuclear produces way more energy and no pollution if it is done right. Nuclear energy is the energy of the future not some stupid solar panels that can barely power a flash light.



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Dude people with solar panels get paid BY the power companies because they produce more electricity than they use.



Not only are they producing more than they use, they are producing soooo much more than they use that the power companies have spent millions to make it against the law for them to have to pay us...

Nice try though. Nuclear energy is safe when done right. Until an earthquake hits, or a bomb hits it. Or a meteorite hits it.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21738986 - 05/29/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Solar energy is a sham.

Nuclear produces way more energy and no pollution if it is done right. Nuclear energy is the energy of the future not some stupid solar panels that can barely power a flash light.




nuclear energy is fucking stupid, more and more are being built, and more and more are going to do what the ones in japan did, its not a question of if, its a question of when.  and so far, the things setting them off have been fairly mild, something big happens and a bunch get set off, or a war happens, and then all a sudden an entire country can't even man their fucking nuclear reactors and then they all fucking go up and then an entire country is a fucking fallout game.

it seriously amazes me how badly people can't think this through, all they want is the cheap energy and smaller bills, but fuck the future. and even if god comes down to earth and prevents that inevitable future from happening, your still stuck with more and more barrels of waste that are doing the same dam thing


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21739275 - 05/29/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah radiating the planet is much more damaging then carbon emmisions. cesium 137 which japan released into the ocean has a half life of 30 years and it mimicks red blood cells apparently, so one is on your food, you can get cancer as will circulate around in your body... Stuff in the reactor, 2 million year half life. Much longer then our own evolution. Those melt down sites will need to be taken care of forever.. literally an ongoing project to take care of even thousands of years later for humans. What if civilization collaspses and we can't care for those sites anymore. Who knows what can happen in the future, the tetonic plates move, japan could sink into the ocean eventually or something, then that reactor site will slide into the ocean. We'll need to extract it somehow eventually and put it somewhere more safe.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: CaptainKurt]
    #21739500 - 05/30/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shoot that shit into the sun. It's the only way for us to be rid of it in as a responsible citizen of this galaxy.


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Re: France passed a law that requires commercial builldings to have gardens or solar panels on rooftops [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21739542 - 05/30/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting law. Due to the economics, I think most property developers will probably opt for solar panels; a garden requires a much stronger roof structure, a lot of maintenance and doesn't generate any economic returns.

As to the issue of nuclear power, there seems to be quite some ignorance in this thread. For instance, unmanned reactors don't just blow up; that's an inaccurate thought. Also, there are a few reactor architectures that haven't been exploited yet but that offer much less nuclear weight and much more (passive) safety. Thorium filed molten salt reactors are particularly interesting and several countries are currently making plans for building prototypes. This energy revolution is potentially much more significant than the solar and wind power boom we are witnessing, although they can be perfectly synergetic!


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