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Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video)
#21738028 - 05/29/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/us/barstow-california-police-video-pregnant-woman-arrest/
"An officer body cam video shows what the ACLU alleges was a wrongful arrest and the wrestling to the ground of an eight months pregnant black woman after she got into an argument with a white woman outside a school in Barstew, California."
"The city of Barstew, however, said police acted properly in the January arrest of Charlena Michelle Cooks of Barstew, though a charge of resisting arrest against her was dropped."
I have to agree with the Police on this one, don't make a phone call when you are being questioned by a cop, how stupid can a person be?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738033 - 05/29/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: I have to agree with the Police on this one, don't make a phone call when you are being questioned by a cop, how stupid can a person be? 
Is that a law? I doubt it. Being stupid isn't illegal either. And even if both were a law, that doesn't give the cop the right to summarily convict and sentence the lady to some form of violence for punishment.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
#21738051 - 05/29/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: I have to agree with the Police on this one, don't make a phone call when you are being questioned by a cop, how stupid can a person be? 
Is that a law? I doubt it.
It unnecessarily escalates an otherwise routine situation.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738062 - 05/29/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that illegal then?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
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I have to agree with the Police on this one, don't make a phone call when you are being questioned by a cop, how stupid can a person be? 
You cannot be fucking serious right now..
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
#21738085 - 05/29/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Is that illegal then?
She was being questioned during an investigation, I would guess there are some legalities in that scenario but I don't know for sure.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21738089 - 05/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to agree with the Police on this one, don't make a phone call when you are being questioned by a cop, how stupid can a person be? 
You cannot be fucking serious right now..
Did you watch the video?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738095 - 05/29/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Obstruction maybe? What was she charged with?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738096 - 05/29/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure they could come up with something... I think a person should have the right to ignore the police unless they have a warrant or cause to place you under arrest. But to the cops not complying is cause to place you under arrest. And in this case, cause to rough you and your unborn up a little bit. Fuck the police. These people are scum.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738100 - 05/29/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did. She wasn't a threat to anyone around her. She just didn't feel like she needed to give her name out to the police and i'm okay with that. She wasn't getting violent or out of line, she was just making sure the cop was operating under the correct pretenses. I bet you're the same person to scream SNITCHH when the same people give up info about drug dealers.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: stratocast]
#21738101 - 05/29/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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stratocast said: Obstruction maybe? What was she charged with?
Resisting arrest.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21738131 - 05/29/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I bet you're the same person to scream SNITCHH when the same people give up info about drug dealers.
wait... what?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21738135 - 05/29/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I did. She wasn't a threat to anyone around her. She just didn't feel like she needed to give her name out to the police and i'm okay with that. She wasn't getting violent or out of line, she was just making sure the cop was operating under the correct pretenses. I bet you're the same person to scream SNITCHH when the same people give up info about drug dealers.
She was extremely confrontational and escalated a very tame situation, it's all on her.
Having a massive bad attitude with law enforcement creates a self-fulfilling prophecy, she achieved her's that day.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738137 - 05/29/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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stratocast said: Obstruction maybe? What was she charged with?
Resisting arrest.
What was she being arrested for? (Don't say resisting arrest...)
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
#21738145 - 05/29/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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stratocast said: Obstruction maybe? What was she charged with?
Resisting arrest.
What was she being arrested for? (Don't say resisting arrest...)
Apparently walking away and then making a phone call during a police investigation.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738147 - 05/29/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Believe it or not a bad attitude isn't grounds for arrest. Now, if the police actually had evidence of her doing whatever they were accusing her of, then by all means they should've arrested the fuck outta her. Unfortunately, it all sound like a bunch of bullshit to me.
Again, I do think a lot of these folks arguing with the police are asking for it. But that shit was definitely uncalled for.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Man the women is fucking pregnant.... You do't have to shove her on her belly on the grround like that. It's more than reckless. No pregnant women would put up a fight enough tto put her baby in danger.
Even if the arrest is justified, the cops should have had better judgement. Obviously pregnant, no weapons or threats, only a pphone call. If the cop had been just a little more diplomatic, the situation could have gone much better. Hell, there wasn't any damage on the lady's car or whatever she was bitching about
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738167 - 05/29/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why is there always some loud ass screaming "Do not touch me" or the like? When has ANYONE seen that work? Like the cop is just gonna be like "Oh shit she said I can't touch her, guess I better leave". Same with the cell phone shit. "Oh shit she's making a phone call, I guess I better go then.". What the fuck goes through these people's heads.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Patlal]
#21738172 - 05/29/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Man the women is fucking pregnant.... You do't have to shove her on her belly on the grround like that. It's more than reckless. No pregnant women would put up a fight enough tto put her baby in danger.
Even if the arrest is justified, the cops should have had better judgement. Obviously pregnant, no weapons or threats, only a pphone call. If the cop had been just a little more diplomatic, the situation could have gone much better. Hell, there wasn't any damage on the lady's car or whatever she was bitching about
She escalated a very routine and calm situation, no arrest or struggle ever had to happen, why did the other woman have no issues whatsoever?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Shroomslip]
#21738176 - 05/29/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean no, that's not the best way to handle the situation I totally agree. But there's no need to throw a pregnant chick on the ground belly first.
InB4 Pris says she deserved it.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Man the women is fucking pregnant.... You do't have to shove her on her belly on the grround like that. It's more than reckless. No pregnant women would put up a fight enough tto put her baby in danger.
Even if the arrest is justified, the cops should have had better judgement. Obviously pregnant, no weapons or threats, only a pphone call. If the cop had been just a little more diplomatic, the situation could have gone much better. Hell, there wasn't any damage on the lady's car or whatever she was bitching about
^^this
The practice of 'carding'--asking someone for ID even when they have not committed a crime has received a lot of scrutiny in the news lately. I am Canadian, so I am not sure what the laws are in the US, but in Canada, you are required to give your full name and ID if a officer requests it. The reason that police have come under major criticism lately in the city I live in, is because they have been disproportionately carding young black males. There must not be enough pregnant black females for them to throw on the ground in my home city...
All the public really wants (I think) is for police to us a little fucking common sense and discretion.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Shroomslip]
#21738189 - 05/29/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Why is there always some loud ass screaming "Do not touch me" or the like? When has ANYONE seen that work? Like the cop is just gonna be like "Oh shit she said I can't touch her, guess I better leave". Same with the cell phone shit. "Oh shit she's making a phone call, I guess I better go then.". What the fuck goes through these people's heads.
It's called acting like a nut case and then crying about it after the fact, it's beyond child like behavior.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738196 - 05/29/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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None of that warrants physical violence against you. Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons. The police should have just walked away. It was obvious they were not wanted.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738197 - 05/29/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't see her being pushed down in the video. Couldn't she have fallen while the police were putting handcuffs on her?
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: pslyke]
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If cops spent all day dealing with people like that person after person, they'd never get a damn thing done. If cops just let those stupid tactics work, everyone would use them. I don't really like cops, but I'm glad they don't let that shit fly.
Why's it all gotta be on the cop anyways? She had multiple times to use common sense. First, don't make a phone call in the middle of talking to the cop. Second, don't start screaming don't touch me and resisting. Third, and the most important, just give her fucking name when he asked for it.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21738202 - 05/29/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Officers should have just left it alone, and moved in after it gets lethal. Pregnant women have the right to kill, then they are shot and the unborn fetus is ripped from their body like Mad Max.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21738209 - 05/29/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I mean no, that's not the best way to handle the situation I totally agree. But there's no need to throw a pregnant chick on the ground belly first.
InB4 Pris says she deserved it.
The fact that she's pregnant is immaterial, if she had any basic commonsense she would have taken that into consideration before acting like she did that day.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738231 - 05/29/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eh, I guess I see your point. I guess what i'm saying is that if I was a cop I would never use that kind of force over something so fucking petty. It's not like the bitch was a murder suspect. But I guess she should've recognized that and acted accordingly.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
#21738247 - 05/29/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: None of that warrants physical violence against you. Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons. The police should have just walked away. It was obvious they were not wanted.
I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21738248 - 05/29/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: Eh, I guess I see your point. I guess what i'm saying is that if I was a cop I would never use that kind of force over something so fucking petty. It's not like the bitch was a murder suspect. But I guess she should've recognized that and acted accordingly.
yeah... except in the video, there's no evidence that the cop used any force at all, unless you count putting handcuffs on someone.
I saw nothing depicted anything close to a cop forcefully pushing someone to the ground.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: tito123]
#21738261 - 05/29/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now that you say that I do see what you mean.
Idk. I guess I wouldn't have resorted to putting handcuffs on the bitch. She wasn't running away or anything like that. She just made a simple phone call to make sure the police were operating within their rights.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738262 - 05/29/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: None of that warrants physical violence against you. Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons. The police should have just walked away. It was obvious they were not wanted.
I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.
They should have walked away anyway. They let their emotions and pride get the best of them, they had to maintain their "authority" so they roughed her up for not respecting them. Respect needs to be earned, its not given away for free. Certainly not to the police.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said: None of that warrants physical violence against you. Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons. The police should have just walked away. It was obvious they were not wanted.
I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.
They should have walked away anyway. They let their emotions and pride get the best of them, they had to maintain their "authority" so they roughed her up for not respecting them. Respect needs to be earned, its not given away for free. Certainly not to the police.
... they didn't rough her up?
and respect definitely needs to be earned. That's why I respect those who go through tons of bullshit to earn their title, like judges or doctors. Police don't earn that much respect, but they deserve some, at least for dealing with people's bullshit like that.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: tito123]
#21738302 - 05/29/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They have earned only contempt from me. The population has to put up with their bullshit, not the other way around. They approached her, she didn't approach them.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: tito123]
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DieCommie said: None of that warrants physical violence against you. Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons. The police should have just walked away. It was obvious they were not wanted.
I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.
They should have walked away anyway. They let their emotions and pride get the best of them, they had to maintain their "authority" so they roughed her up for not respecting them. Respect needs to be earned, its not given away for free. Certainly not to the police.
... they didn't rough her up?
and respect definitely needs to be earned. That's why I respect those who go through tons of bullshit to earn their title, like judges or doctors. Police don't earn that much respect, but they deserve some, at least for dealing with people's bullshit like that.
So your subjective definition of "earned respect" really governs how you treat people? That's really fucking sad considering must judges and doctors are corrupt anyway. Most judges are getting bought out by lawyers and most doctors are taking kick backs from big pharma to push certain medication.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
#21738408 - 05/29/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate cop on citizen violence as much as anyone, and I firmly believe there are many problems deeply endemic to police culture in the US - things like racism, lying, the tendency to escalate situations instead of calming them, overly quick and excessive use of force, and more.
BUT - this is not one of the videos that make my blood boil. The cops appeared to be under control and the woman was extremely uncooperative. Also near the end of the video it sounded like they were investigating a potential road rage incident, reckless driving (in a school parking lot), and possible violence against other persons or property.
If the woman in question was a suspect (and they had a witness right there), the scope of permissible action during the on-scene investigation is sufficient to justify their actions. The police are permitted to detain a suspect, determine their identification - and reasonably expect cooperation from them.
it did not appear to me that the police went out of their way to rough her up, nor did anyone scream things at her like "Fuck your breath!" when they can't breathe or "Get on the ground or I will SMOKE YOU" when the can't move due to a medical crisis, unlike many of the most infuriating videos of police malfeasance we see lately.
In short this video doesn't rise to the standard of being "controversial" to me. Sure, maybe the police could have done better, but they appear to have displayed a reasonable level or professionalism and after all they have a job to do. The machinations of state, or any collective endeavor for that matter, cannot simply grind to a halt because someone has a temper tantrum or decides not to play by the rules.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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The bitch asked for it from the beginning. Cops were called, they had to question the woman. The first woman cooperated, answered questions and so on. The fat one, probably not even pregnant, would not. There are laws about certain things. If there is a law in that area that people must give their names to cops who ask, then she broke the law.
Then the way she acted, squealing like a pig the whole time, babbling shit, fighting with them. All she had to do was act like a normal human being and no cuffs would have been put on, it would have been over. When cops investigate a crime they have a right to question people. She could have calmly said she would not give her name and answered the rest of the questions and maybe no problem. But squealing like a pig, walking away, resisting, that is what got her arrested.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
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She could have calmly said she would not give her name and answered the rest of the questions and maybe no problem.
Did you watch the video? She stated that shit didn't feel comfortable giving them her name.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Void_Hawk]
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Void_Hawk said: I hate cop on citizen violence as much as anyone, and I firmly believe there are many problems deeply endemic to police culture in the US - things like racism, lying, the tendency to escalate situations instead of calming them, overly quick and excessive use of force, and more.
BUT - this is not one of the videos that make my blood boil. The cops appeared to be under control and the woman was extremely uncooperative. Also near the end of the video it sounded like they were investigating a potential road rage incident, reckless driving (in a school parking lot), and possible violence against other persons or property.
If the woman in question was a suspect (and they had a witness right there), the scope of permissible action during the on-scene investigation is sufficient to justify their actions. The police are permitted to detain a suspect, determine their identification - and reasonably expect cooperation from them.
it did not appear to me that the police went out of their way to rough her up, nor did anyone scream things at her like "Fuck your breath!" when they can't breathe or "Get on the ground or I will SMOKE YOU" when the can't move due to a medical crisis, unlike many of the most infuriating videos of police malfeasance we see lately.
In short this video doesn't rise to the standard of being "controversial" to me. Sure, maybe the police could have done better, but they appear to have displayed a reasonable level or professionalism and after all they have a job to do. The machinations of state, or any collective endeavor for that matter, cannot simply grind to a halt because someone has a temper tantrum or decides not to play by the rules.
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stratocast said: Obstruction maybe? What was she charged with?
Resisting arrest.
What was she being arrested for? (Don't say resisting arrest...)
obstruction of a police investigation
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Patlal said: Man the women is fucking pregnant.... You do't have to shove her on her belly on the grround like that. It's more than reckless. No pregnant women would put up a fight enough tto put her baby in danger.
it was her actions that resulted in that treatment, maybe instead of shouting dont touch me and I'm pregnant she should have considered the fact that she was pregnant and been more cooperative so that SHE didnt put that baby in danger. the cop even told the complainant that he wouldnt be able to arrest her but then she gave them reason to do so
her arrest seems to be the result of the youtube culture that's popped up, people post a stupid video claiming "these are your rights, you need to make a stand against the cops right then" and the retarded fucks of the world decide to do what some other retard told them to. the reality of the situation is that if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions, arresting you and all the other fun shit associated with it doesnt violate your rights as is claimed in the title of the video "unlawful arrest". clearly the person that posted the video to youtube doesnt know shit
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Prisoner#1]
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>if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions
I'm not so sure they can arrest someone just for refusing to answer questions. We do have a right to remain silent. What we don't have a right to do is to walk away when under detention by a cop. They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.
How is everyone so sure the woman was pregnant? This sounds like a standard lie they tell and since most are fat, its impossible to verify. They figure just say that and the cop won't bother them.
That woman was a trouble maker, she harassed the other woman to the point she felt she had to call a cop. Then the bitch gives the cop a hard time and got what she deserved.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions
I'm not so sure they can arrest someone just for refusing to answer questions. We do have a right to remain silent. What we don't have a right to do is to walk away when under detention by a cop. They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.
they arent arresting you for refusing to answer questions, they're arresting you for obstruction of an investigation
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That woman was a trouble maker, she harassed the other woman to the point she felt she had to call a cop. Then the bitch gives the cop a hard time and got what she deserved.
she said she was afraid of the white woman because she was white. that's racist. maybe she should be charged with a hate crime as well
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Stonehenge said: >if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions
I'm not so sure they can arrest someone just for refusing to answer questions. We do have a right to remain silent. What we don't have a right to do is to walk away when under detention by a cop. They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.
they arent arresting you for refusing to answer questions, they're arresting you for obstruction of an investigation
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That woman was a trouble maker, she harassed the other woman to the point she felt she had to call a cop. Then the bitch gives the cop a hard time and got what she deserved.
she said she was afraid of the white woman because she was white. that's racist. maybe she should be charged with a hate crime as well
That's the funny thing, she made it a racial issue when it had nothing to do with race. She wanted a confrontation and she got it, now she's crying and playing the role of a victim, pathetic. But again, black people can't be racist.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
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youtube has helped to create a perpetual state of victimhood for certain demographics, even when they're not victims they're victims because there's no one there to 'oppress them'
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
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The lady is clearly a moron. So is the cop. There was absolutely no need to throw that lady on the ground like that. Its not like the fuckin cops in barstow have anywhere else to be. The guy said she had 2 minutes to give up her name, and then changed his mind after a few seconds. I always just give the cops whatever they want though, in order to avoid this exact problem.
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They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.
Sometimes people impersonate cops. Where i live, if you are being pulled over, and doubt the identity of the cop, it is perfectly legal to keep on driving to the nearest police station or highway patrol station.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: The lady is clearly a moron. So is the cop. There was absolutely no need to throw that lady on the ground like that.
there was, he tried cuffing her while she was standing and she put up more resistance and continued to scream and attempt to get away so he had to put her in a position where is was more difficult for her to do these things, she escalated the shit, she brought it on herself
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Its not like the fuckin cops in barstow have anywhere else to be.
they werent dealing with outside incidences, they were dealing with an angry black drama queen, a situation that was right in front of them
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The guy said she had 2 minutes to give up her name, and then changed his mind after a few seconds.
no, she changed his mind, she started walking away from him after calling 'Antwan' to inform him that the cop was asking her name, Antwan didnt have shit to do with this, why she gonna call him. now if she didnt turn and walk away from the cop then maybe she'd have had the 2 minutes, the cop would have finished asking his questions and she wouldnt have been locked up but she was stupid
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They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.
Sometimes people impersonate cops. Where i live, if you are being pulled over, and doubt the identity of the cop, it is perfectly legal to keep on driving to the nearest police station or highway patrol station.
so you believe that 5 people impersonating cops showed up to question this woman and that she was trying to get away to the nearest police station
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so you believe that 5 people impersonating cops showed up to question this woman and that she was trying to get away to the nearest police station
lol no. no need for straw men my friend, i already said that the lady acted foolishly. i just enjoy disagreeing with stonehenge.
I still don't think that there was any need to get physical with her at that point though. The cop just felt like being a dick because he didn't like her attitude. While i can sympathize with that, i think a LEO should be able to keep his cool in a situation like that. like you said, there was 5 cops there. its not like she was going anywhere. and like i said, the cops in barstow have all the time in the world.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
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I did not see the cop "throw" her to the ground. I saw her squirm, twist, and resist as much as possible, it looked like she may have dropped to the ground herself. She was being arrested for cause and the cops had every right to cuff her using whatever force was needed. I think the cops acted correctly.
pris >they arent arresting you for refusing to answer questions, they're arresting you for obstruction of an investigation
Specifically, for leaving when being detained by a cop, like I said. Refusing to answer is not a crime, check out the Miranda decision.
bals >Sometimes people impersonate cops. Where i live, if you are being pulled over, and doubt the identity of the cop, it is perfectly legal to keep on driving to the nearest police station or highway patrol station.
If an unmarked car pulls you over, you may have a case. If the cop refuses to show id, you have a case. A marked cop car and cops in uniform are fairly convincing. She did not ask for id, she walked away when being questioned, a violation of law.
>i just enjoy disagreeing with stonehenge.
Keep trying
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
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She started raising her voice and was uncooperative when all she was asked was her name. Once she got on the phone and started walking away she changed the whole situation according to her rules. She was the one who threw race into the matter.
Of course now it becomes racial profiling. From the CNN article- Jessica Price, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, said of the video
"A lot of people are going to look at this and going to say there is some level of racial profiling and bias going on here"
How in the hell could that be racial profiling.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Astral Pain]
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Negroes expect to be left alone when they commit crimes by always claiming that they were victims of prejudice.
>"A lot of people are going to look at this and going to say there is some level of racial profiling and bias going on here"
Typical remark from a typical dirtbag lawyer looking to make a buck. Instead of chasing ambulances now days they chase minorities with alleged complaints. Gotta milk that pc gravy train.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
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Oh, an emoticon and photo. I can't argue with that, you win.
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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
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ok, i'll explain in terms you can understand.
the photo is actually a frame from the movie "Falling Down". The character in the photo is a freaky nazi. There is a scene in the movie where the freaky nazi's proclivities come to light, and that scene reminds me of you.
the is a non-verbal attempt to say "tell me more..." or something along those lines. i put that there, because if you did "tell me more" your overt racism would only become even more obvious.
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I can't argue with that, you win.
you probably shouldn't anyway. i doubt anyone would take you seriously, at least, not if they went back through your posts.
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ballsalsa said: ok, i'll explain in terms you can understand.
the photo is actually a frame from the movie "Falling Down". The character in the photo is a freaky nazi. There is a scene in the movie where the freaky nazi's proclivities come to light, and that scene reminds me of you.
the is a non-verbal attempt to say "tell me more..." or something along those lines. i put that there, because if you did "tell me more" your overt racism would only become even more obvious.
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I can't argue with that, you win.
you probably shouldn't anyway. i doubt anyone would take you seriously, at least, not if they went back through your posts.

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