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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21740190 - 05/30/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also
have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you
again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions

I'm not so sure they can arrest someone just for refusing to answer questions. We do have a right to remain silent. What we don't have a right to do is to walk away when under detention by a cop. They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.

How is everyone so sure the woman was pregnant? This sounds like a standard lie they tell and since most are fat, its impossible to verify. They figure just say that and the cop won't bother them.

That woman was a trouble maker, she harassed the other woman to the point she felt she had to call a cop. Then the bitch gives the cop a hard time and got what she deserved.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21740216 - 05/30/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also
have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you
again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions

I'm not so sure they can arrest someone just for refusing to answer questions. We do have a right to remain silent. What we don't have a right to do is to walk away when under detention by a cop. They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.




they arent arresting you for refusing to answer questions, they're arresting
you for obstruction of an investigation



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That woman was a trouble maker, she harassed the other woman to the point she felt she had to call a cop. Then the bitch gives the cop a hard time and got what she deserved.





she said she was afraid of the white woman because she was white. that's racist.
maybe she should be charged with a hate crime as well


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21740245 - 05/30/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also
have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you
again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions

I'm not so sure they can arrest someone just for refusing to answer questions. We do have a right to remain silent. What we don't have a right to do is to walk away when under detention by a cop. They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.




they arent arresting you for refusing to answer questions, they're arresting
you for obstruction of an investigation



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That woman was a trouble maker, she harassed the other woman to the point she felt she had to call a cop. Then the bitch gives the cop a hard time and got what she deserved.





she said she was afraid of the white woman because she was white. that's racist.
maybe she should be charged with a hate crime as well




That's the funny thing, she made it a racial issue when it had nothing to do with race. She wanted a confrontation and she got it, now she's crying and playing the role of a victim, pathetic. But again, black people can't be racist.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21740289 - 05/30/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

youtube has helped to create a perpetual state of victimhood for certain
demographics, even when they're not victims they're victims because there's no
one there to 'oppress them'


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21740294 - 05/30/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The lady is clearly a moron.  So is the cop. There was absolutely no need to throw that lady on the ground like that.  Its not like the fuckin cops in barstow have anywhere else to be.  The guy said she had 2 minutes to give up her name, and then changed his mind after a few seconds.  I always just give the cops whatever they want though, in order to avoid this exact problem. 

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They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.





Sometimes people impersonate cops.  Where i live, if you are being pulled over, and doubt the identity of the cop, it is perfectly legal to keep on driving to the nearest police station or highway patrol station.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21740329 - 05/30/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The lady is clearly a moron.  So is the cop. There was absolutely no need to throw that lady on the ground like that.




there was, he tried cuffing her while she was standing and she put up more
resistance and continued to scream and attempt to get away so he had to put
her in a position where is was more difficult for her to do these things,
she escalated the shit, she brought it on herself

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Its not like the fuckin cops in barstow have anywhere else to be.




they werent dealing with outside incidences, they were dealing with an angry
black drama queen, a situation that was right in front of them

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  The guy said she had 2 minutes to give up her name, and then changed his mind after a few seconds.




no, she changed his mind, she started walking away from him after calling
'Antwan' to inform him that the cop was asking her name, Antwan didnt have
shit to do with this, why she gonna call him. now if she didnt turn and walk
away from the cop then maybe she'd have had the 2 minutes, the cop would have
finished asking his questions and she wouldnt have been locked up but she was stupid

 

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They have a right to ask things, we have a right to answer or not answer but must not walk away. Same as in a traffic stop. Try driving away when a cop is asking you questions and you will be chased and arrested.





Sometimes people impersonate cops.  Where i live, if you are being pulled over, and doubt the identity of the cop, it is perfectly legal to keep on driving to the nearest police station or highway patrol station.




so you believe that 5 people impersonating cops showed up to question this
woman and that she was trying to get away to the nearest police station


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21740399 - 05/30/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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so you believe that 5 people impersonating cops showed up to question this
woman and that she was trying to get away to the nearest police station




lol no.  no need for straw men my friend, i already said that the lady acted foolishly.  i just enjoy disagreeing with stonehenge.

I still don't think that there was any need to get physical with her at that point though.  The cop just felt like being a dick because he didn't like her attitude.  While i can sympathize with that, i think a LEO should be able to keep his cool in a situation like that. like you said, there was 5 cops there.  its not like she was going anywhere. and like i said, the cops in barstow have all the time in the world.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21741052 - 05/30/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I did not see the cop "throw" her to the ground. I saw her squirm, twist, and resist as much as possible, it looked like she may have dropped to the ground herself. She was being arrested for cause and the cops had every right to cuff her using whatever force was needed. I think the cops acted correctly.

pris
>they arent arresting you for refusing to answer questions, they're arresting
you for obstruction of an investigation

Specifically, for leaving when being detained by a cop, like I said. Refusing to answer is not a crime, check out the Miranda decision.

bals
>Sometimes people impersonate cops.  Where i live, if you are being pulled over, and doubt the identity of the cop, it is perfectly legal to keep on driving to the nearest police station or highway patrol station.

If an unmarked car pulls you over, you may have a case. If the cop refuses to show id, you have a case. A marked cop car and cops in uniform are fairly convincing. She did not ask for id, she walked away when being questioned, a violation of law.

>i just enjoy disagreeing with stonehenge.

Keep trying


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21741105 - 05/30/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

She started raising her voice and was uncooperative when all she was asked was her name. Once she got on the phone and started walking away she changed the whole situation according to her rules. She was the one who threw race into the matter.

Of course now it becomes racial profiling. From the CNN article- Jessica Price, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, said of the video

"A lot of people are going to look at this and going to say there is some level of racial profiling and bias going on here"

How in the hell could that be racial profiling.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21741436 - 05/30/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Negroes expect to be left alone when they commit crimes by always claiming that they were victims of prejudice.

>"A lot of people are going to look at this and going to say there is some level of racial profiling and bias going on here"

Typical remark from a typical dirtbag lawyer looking to make a buck. Instead of chasing ambulances now days they chase minorities with alleged complaints. Gotta milk that pc gravy train.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21741483 - 05/30/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Negroes expect to be left alone when they commit crimes by always claiming that they were victims of prejudice.




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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21741685 - 05/30/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, an emoticon and photo. I can't argue with that, you win.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21742944 - 05/30/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok, i'll explain in terms you can understand.

the photo is actually a frame from the movie "Falling Down".  The character in the photo is a freaky nazi.  There is a scene in the movie where the freaky nazi's proclivities come to light, and that scene reminds me of you.

the :wonka: is a non-verbal attempt to say "tell me more..." or something along those lines.
i put that there, because if you did "tell me more" your overt racism would only become even more obvious.

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I can't argue with that, you win.




you probably shouldn't anyway. i doubt anyone would take you seriously,  at least, not if they went back through your posts.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21743071 - 05/30/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
ok, i'll explain in terms you can understand.

the photo is actually a frame from the movie "Falling Down".  The character in the photo is a freaky nazi.  There is a scene in the movie where the freaky nazi's proclivities come to light, and that scene reminds me of you.

the :wonka: is a non-verbal attempt to say "tell me more..." or something along those lines.
i put that there, because if you did "tell me more" your overt racism would only become even more obvious.

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I can't argue with that, you win.




you probably shouldn't anyway. i doubt anyone would take you seriously,  at least, not if they went back through your posts.





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