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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Patlal]
    #21738177 - 05/29/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Man the women is fucking pregnant.... You do't have to shove her on her belly on the grround like that. It's more than reckless. No pregnant women would put up a fight enough tto put her baby in danger.

Even if the arrest is justified, the cops should have had better judgement. Obviously pregnant, no weapons or threats, only a pphone call. If the cop had been just a little more diplomatic, the situation could have gone much better. Hell, there  wasn't any damage on the  lady's car or whatever she was bitching about




^^this

The practice of 'carding'--asking someone for ID even when they have not committed a crime has received a lot of scrutiny in the news lately. I am Canadian, so I am not sure what the laws are in the US, but in Canada, you are required to give your full name and ID if a officer requests it. The reason that police have come under major criticism lately in the city I live in, is because they have been disproportionately carding young black males. There must not be enough pregnant black females for them to throw on the ground in my home city...

All the public really wants (I think) is for police to us a little fucking common sense and discretion.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21738189 - 05/29/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Why is there always some loud ass screaming "Do not touch me" or the like? When has ANYONE seen that work? Like the cop is just gonna be like "Oh shit she said I can't touch her, guess I better leave". Same with the cell phone shit. "Oh shit she's making a phone call, I guess I better go then.". What the fuck goes through these people's heads.




It's called acting like a nut case and then crying about it after the fact, it's beyond child like behavior.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21738196 - 05/29/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

None of that warrants physical violence against you.  Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons.  The police should have just walked away.  It was obvious they were not wanted.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21738197 - 05/29/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't see her being pushed down in the video.  Couldn't she have fallen while the police were putting handcuffs on her?


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: pslyke]
    #21738199 - 05/29/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If cops spent all day dealing with people like that person after person, they'd never get a damn thing done. If cops just let those stupid tactics work, everyone would use them. I don't really like cops, but I'm glad they don't let that shit fly.

Why's it all gotta be on the cop anyways? She had multiple times to use common sense. First, don't make a phone call in the middle of talking to the cop. Second, don't start screaming don't touch me and resisting. Third, and the most important, just give her fucking name when he asked for it.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21738202 - 05/29/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Officers should have just left it alone, and moved in after it gets lethal. Pregnant women have the right to kill, then they are shot and the unborn fetus is ripped from their body like Mad Max.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21738209 - 05/29/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I mean no, that's not the best way to handle the situation I totally agree. But there's no need to throw a pregnant chick on the ground belly first.

InB4 Pris says she deserved it.




The fact that she's pregnant is immaterial, if she had any basic commonsense she would have taken that into consideration before acting like she did that day.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21738231 - 05/29/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Eh, I guess I see your point. I guess what i'm saying is that if I was a cop I would never use that kind of force over something so fucking petty. It's not like the bitch was a murder suspect. But I guess she should've recognized that and acted accordingly.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
    #21738247 - 05/29/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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None of that warrants physical violence against you.  Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons.  The police should have just walked away.  It was obvious they were not wanted.




I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21738248 - 05/29/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Eh, I guess I see your point. I guess what i'm saying is that if I was a cop I would never use that kind of force over something so fucking petty. It's not like the bitch was a murder suspect. But I guess she should've recognized that and acted accordingly.




yeah... except in the video, there's no evidence that the cop used any force at all, unless you count putting handcuffs on someone. 


I saw nothing depicted anything close to a cop forcefully pushing someone to the ground.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: tito123]
    #21738261 - 05/29/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now that you say that I do see what you mean.

Idk. I guess I wouldn't have resorted to putting handcuffs on the bitch. She wasn't running away or anything like that. She just made a simple phone call to make sure the police were operating within their rights.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21738262 - 05/29/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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None of that warrants physical violence against you.  Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons.  The police should have just walked away.  It was obvious they were not wanted.




I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.




They should have walked away anyway.  They let their emotions and pride get the best of them, they had to maintain their "authority" so they roughed her up for not respecting them.  Respect needs to be earned, its not given away for free.  Certainly not to the police.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: DieCommie]
    #21738290 - 05/29/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
None of that warrants physical violence against you.  Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons.  The police should have just walked away.  It was obvious they were not wanted.




I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.




They should have walked away anyway.  They let their emotions and pride get the best of them, they had to maintain their "authority" so they roughed her up for not respecting them.  Respect needs to be earned, its not given away for free.  Certainly not to the police.





... they didn't rough her up?


and respect definitely needs to be earned.  That's why I respect those who go through tons of bullshit to earn their title, like judges or doctors.  Police don't earn that much respect, but they deserve some, at least for dealing with people's bullshit like that.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: tito123]
    #21738302 - 05/29/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They have earned only contempt from me.  The population has to put up with their bullshit, not the other way around.  They approached her, she didn't approach them.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: tito123]
    #21738315 - 05/29/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
None of that warrants physical violence against you.  Certainly not by tax funded agents with special privileges, rights and weapons.  The police should have just walked away.  It was obvious they were not wanted.




I think the police would have walked away in a matter of a few minutes if she cooperated even slightly, she didn't.




They should have walked away anyway.  They let their emotions and pride get the best of them, they had to maintain their "authority" so they roughed her up for not respecting them.  Respect needs to be earned, its not given away for free.  Certainly not to the police.





... they didn't rough her up?


and respect definitely needs to be earned.  That's why I respect those who go through tons of bullshit to earn their title, like judges or doctors.  Police don't earn that much respect, but they deserve some, at least for dealing with people's bullshit like that.





So your subjective definition of "earned respect" really governs how you treat people? That's really fucking sad considering must judges and doctors are corrupt anyway. Most judges are getting bought out by lawyers and most doctors are taking kick backs from big pharma to push certain medication.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: qman]
    #21738408 - 05/29/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I hate cop on citizen violence as much as anyone, and I firmly believe there are many problems deeply endemic to police culture in the US - things like racism, lying, the tendency to escalate situations instead of calming them, overly quick and excessive use of force, and more.

BUT - this is not one of the videos that make my blood boil. The cops appeared to be under control and the woman was extremely uncooperative. Also near the end of the video it sounded like they were investigating a potential road rage incident, reckless driving (in a school parking lot), and possible violence against other persons or property.

If the woman in question was a suspect (and they had a witness right there), the scope of permissible action during the on-scene investigation is sufficient to justify their actions. The police are permitted to detain a suspect, determine their identification - and reasonably expect cooperation from them.

it did not appear to me that the police went out of their way to rough her up, nor did anyone scream things at her like "Fuck your breath!" when they can't breathe or "Get on the ground or I will SMOKE YOU" when the can't move due to a medical crisis, unlike many of the most infuriating videos of police malfeasance we see lately.

In short this video doesn't rise to the standard of being "controversial" to me. Sure, maybe the police could have done better, but they appear to have displayed a reasonable level or professionalism and after all they have a job to do. The machinations of state, or any collective endeavor for that matter, cannot simply grind to a halt because someone has a temper tantrum or decides not to play by the rules.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21738427 - 05/29/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The bitch asked for it from the beginning. Cops were called, they had to question the woman. The first woman cooperated, answered questions and so on. The fat one, probably not even pregnant, would not. There are laws about certain things. If there is a law in that area that people must give their names to cops who ask, then she broke the law.

Then the way she acted, squealing like a pig the whole time, babbling shit, fighting with them. All she had to do was act like a normal human being and no cuffs would have been put on, it would have been over. When cops investigate a crime they have a right to question people. She could have calmly said she would not give her name and answered the rest of the questions and maybe no problem. But squealing like a pig, walking away, resisting, that is what got her arrested.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21738461 - 05/29/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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She could have calmly said she would not give her name and answered the rest of the questions and maybe no problem.




Did you watch the video? She stated that shit didn't feel comfortable giving them her name.


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Void_Hawk]
    #21740046 - 05/30/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I hate cop on citizen violence as much as anyone, and I firmly believe there are many problems deeply endemic to police culture in the US - things like racism, lying, the tendency to escalate situations instead of calming them, overly quick and excessive use of force, and more.

BUT - this is not one of the videos that make my blood boil. The cops appeared to be under control and the woman was extremely uncooperative. Also near the end of the video it sounded like they were investigating a potential road rage incident, reckless driving (in a school parking lot), and possible violence against other persons or property.

If the woman in question was a suspect (and they had a witness right there), the scope of permissible action during the on-scene investigation is sufficient to justify their actions. The police are permitted to detain a suspect, determine their identification - and reasonably expect cooperation from them.

it did not appear to me that the police went out of their way to rough her up, nor did anyone scream things at her like "Fuck your breath!" when they can't breathe or "Get on the ground or I will SMOKE YOU" when the can't move due to a medical crisis, unlike many of the most infuriating videos of police malfeasance we see lately.

In short this video doesn't rise to the standard of being "controversial" to me. Sure, maybe the police could have done better, but they appear to have displayed a reasonable level or professionalism and after all they have a job to do. The machinations of state, or any collective endeavor for that matter, cannot simply grind to a halt because someone has a temper tantrum or decides not to play by the rules.




Well said. :thumbup:


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Re: Controversial Arrest of Pregnant Woman (video) [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21740164 - 05/30/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Obstruction maybe? What was she charged with?




Resisting arrest.




What was she being arrested for?  (Don't say resisting arrest...)





obstruction of a police investigation

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Man the women is fucking pregnant.... You do't have to shove her on her belly on the grround like that. It's more than reckless. No pregnant women would put up a fight enough tto put her baby in danger.





it was her actions that resulted in that treatment, maybe instead of shouting
dont touch me and I'm pregnant she should have considered the fact that she was
pregnant and been more cooperative so that SHE didnt put that baby in danger.
the cop even told the complainant that he wouldnt be able to arrest her but
then she gave them reason to do so


her arrest seems to be the result of the youtube culture that's popped up,
people post a stupid video claiming "these are your rights, you need to make a
stand against the cops right then" and the retarded fucks of the world decide
to do what some other retard told them to. the reality of the situation is that
if a cop is asking you questions you can refuse, it is your right but they also
have the right to arrest you and take you in for further questioning where you
again can refuse to answer because it's still your right. asking you questions,
arresting you and all the other fun shit associated with it doesnt violate your
rights as is claimed in the title of the video "unlawful arrest". clearly the person that posted the video to youtube doesnt know shit


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