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Black spots and discoloration on pins?
    #21737378 - 05/29/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I noticed yesterday that I had some black spots appearing on some of my newer pins on my BRF cake. I was hoping someone could give me some insight as to what's going on here. I know I've seen posts about this before in the past, but am struggling to find them today. Also I just misted so that's why you see some dark brown spots on the other pins that appear to be normal. Thanks for any help offered!


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737390 - 05/29/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

probably built you SGFC wrong would be my guess. looks like PMP(poor man pod) fruits or fruits from any other shit growing chamber made with pipes, fans, and or other electronic things.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21737404 - 05/29/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I built a sgfc to spec. 1/4 inch holes, two inches apart, and perlite 4 inches high. I'm pretty sure that was the perimeters although I can't remember and don't feel like looking them up. I'm not really worried about my chamber, but something else may have caused this.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737413 - 05/29/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

fruiting conditions caused that. they look like their sitting in saturation humidity with poor airflow.

you got holes on the top and bottom. and the SGFC is elevated, at least 6 inches, so the bottom holes can work, and every other side of the SGFC is at bare minimum 6 inches away from a wall.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21737489 - 05/29/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yep. I have met all of those conditions.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737500 - 05/29/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Could elevated heat and stagnant air cause this by chance? It was rather hot in my house for a couple of days and I had no windows open in the upstairs of my house.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737505 - 05/29/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How many times and how much are you misting?


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737507 - 05/29/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it doesn't look like an infection to me, such as verticillium, it looks like bacterial blotch but that usually happens if the fruits never get a chance to dry usually in a PMP or if you use bubble wrap or a bag over the top and a mushroom cap is touching it and staying wet. let them grow out a day and see what they look like

high heat just makes shrooms grow fast and thin and more hollow in my experience. as for the stale air I really doubt it, there's a huge volume of air in a house and a SGFC creates it's own passive air currents as evaporation of the perlite happens so it's never staying stagnant itself.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737536 - 05/29/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My setup to give you and idea. That fan isn't running. Just being stored here.

I thought that this cake and another in my chamber had a bacterial infection based on the weird way the mycelium seemed to be growing. I asked about it and someone told me that they didn't think it was and even if it was infected I could get a couple of flushes out of it. Any ideas as to what I should change? I'm misting 2-4 times a day. Fanning and fanning afterwards.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21737555 - 05/29/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

heh, bizarre. usually a bacterial cake doesn't effect fruit bodies. usually a bacterial problem will either not work at all, work with diminished yield, or make your grow succumb to mold faster.

bacteria usually fucks with fruit appearance when the fruits are sopping wet.

keep us posted I suppose for now. I'll let some people that have been around a while know this thread is here.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21737630 - 05/29/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks man. I really appreciate it. I'll post more pictures in a couple of days. Here's some more info on the cakes in the chamber to get a thorough picture. They've actually been quite volatile for me. I had stored them in my refrigerator for about four months. They were left over from my last batch. When I took the jars out of the fridge I noticed a bit of discoloration. It appeared to me like the typical bruising you would see on cakes as well as the typical orange from waste. I posted pictures to get insight from the vets. A couple people said to toss them and others said it just looked like bruising. I went with my intuition and chocked it up to bruising. I let the cakes get to room temperature and did the 24 hour soak and roll. I put them in the chamber you see there and started my misting fanning cycle. Two of the cakes hard really strange growth that looked like a cross between aerial mycelium, hyphal knots, and a bacterial infection to my untrained eye. I posted pictures once again to get feedback. I was reassured that everything most likely was normal (and actually very healthy looking growth). So now 1.5-2 weeks later I am at this point. Phew that was long, but it seemed necessary to get the full picture. Once again thanks guys!


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21740149 - 05/30/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So update since yesterday. The verdict is not pretty. Definitely looking like some sort of a contamination to me. The black has spread to just about every fruit that looked relatively health before. There has been new growth and it all appears healthy. That has seemed to be the trend. Healthy for a bit and then taken over by these black spots. Also it looks like some green has popped up on another fruit. I'm assuming trich, but I'm not sure since since I've never had this happen before. What do you guys think? Also what precautions do I need to take to sterilize this chamber for my next batch that is almost ready. I have a lot more cakes about to go in and I would hate for them to be affected by this.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21740166 - 05/30/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

don't worry about it.

it kind of reminds me of this. When this shit happened to me on a KSSS grow I was really confused. I still don't know what the fuck caused this I suspect bacteria but I've never seen it happen again or to any one else. yours looks sort of similar. Don't worry about your next grows. Everyone gets fucked up grows from time to time and it hasen't stoped anyone but quitters. if you do things the right way and don't cut corners you'll be fine that's the only percautions you need to take.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21740180 - 05/30/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for your help bodhisatta. I really appreciate it! I'm going to toss this cake because I'm tired of looking at it to be honest. So you don't think it would be beneficial to try and possibly spray some diluted rubbing alcohol on the walls and perlite in the chamber and then rinse with water before my next batch goes in? It just freaks me out that I had a contam in there and I'm about to put a bunch more cakes in.


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: burgerguy]
    #21740193 - 05/30/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I never sanitized a SGFC before in my life. I would put the whole thing in the shower to re-wet the perlite occasionally though.

those ugly shrooms were by far the most potent ones I have ever ate. I dried them out and they were fine. if you're worried about getting sick you could make tea. boiling water is the best solvent for psilocin and psilocybin

sanitation is never a bad idea though. it certainly isn't a bad practice to wipe things down in your home I just find it unnecessary to go overboard with it. each person will vary on sanitary concerns


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Re: Black spots and discoloration on pins? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21740215 - 05/30/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I really do want to eat these little buggers, but I can't get past the fact that there is some black stuff growing on them. I'll probably toss these guys for now. Ohhh but tea... it sounds so tempting.


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