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Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison
    #21737233 - 05/29/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/nyregion/ross-ulbricht-creator-of-silk-road-website-is-sentenced-to-life-in-prison.html

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Ross W. Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road, a notorious online marketplace for the sale of heroin, cocaine, LSD and other illegal drugs, was sentenced to life in prison on Friday in Federal District Court in Manhattan.

Mr. Ulbricht, 31, was sentenced by the judge, Katherine B. Forrest, for his role as what prosecutors described as “the kingpin of a worldwide digital drug-trafficking enterprise.”

Mr. Ulbricht had faced a minimum of 20 years in prison on one of the counts for which he was convicted. In handing down a much longer sentence, Judge Forrest told Mr. Urlbricht that “what you did in connection with Silk Road was terribly destructive to our social fabric.”

Mr. Ulbricht’s high-tech drug bazaar was novel and full of intrigue, operating in a hidden part of the Internet known as the dark web, which allowed deals to be made anonymously and out of the reach of law enforcement. In Silk Road’s nearly three years of operation, over 1.5 million transactions were carried out on the website involving several thousand seller accounts and more than 100,000 buyer accounts, the authorities have said.






I just posted a snippet, there's way more out there about this guy.

I know as a bastion of freedom, a lot of people here will be upset with this verdict. But take into account that this man contracted 5 murders (his would-be hitman was luckily an undercover officer) of people he considered a threat. He is scum and deserves what's coming to him.

Unfortunately, this does deal a blow to the libertarian cause.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21737294 - 05/29/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He was sentenced to life in prison with no parole.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #21737305 - 05/29/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's pretty harsh. He will be appealing the sentencing I'm sure. I don't have a ton of sympathy for him. Yeah, he's young and made some stupid mistakes. He claims he regrets it and wishes he never did it. But ehh....I think he regrets getting caught and wishes he never got caught, more than anything.

He should have ducked out when he made his first million. Once you are making over a hundred million dollars illegally...you're bound to get caught. It's a matter of when, not if.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21737347 - 05/29/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for the double post. I find this case pretty interesting.

The life sentence without parole is probably related to this law ("continuing criminal enterprise"):

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/848


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku] * 1
    #21737371 - 05/29/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Free my nigga Ross  :shakefist:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Ihateyou] * 2
    #21737434 - 05/29/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ihateyou said:
Free my nigga Ross  :shakefist:




^^^^^  :whathesaid:

Fucking shameful sentence.  :facepalm:

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21737545 - 05/29/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

for some reason, i thought he was gonna get off easier than what he did. Fuck dude, MArc Willems got only 10.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku] * 1
    #21737668 - 05/29/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A travesty, and yet the model he pioneered lives on today. It won't be stopped.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Synthe]
    #21737689 - 05/29/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He's not even going to be in a min security prison :frown:

Dude's gonna have a long long life.  I hope he put some money aside for commissary and if he doesn't I hope some loyal fans give him some love.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: vandago]
    #21737749 - 05/29/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Did everyone miss the part where he tried to resort to murder for his own personal security?

If he hadn't done that, I might agree with everyone and honor him as a martyr for the cause. But he's just a greedy criminal in my eyes, willing to protect his own fortune and freedom with blood. That's disgusting. He's no better than the cartels.

I agree that his model of harm reduction might be a step in the right direction...but it's all still blood money.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21737761 - 05/29/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Did everyone miss the part where he tried to resort to murder for his own personal security?

If he hadn't done that, I might agree with everyone and honor him as a martyr for the cause. But he's just a greedy criminal in my eyes, willing to protect his own fortune and freedom with blood. That's disgusting. He's no better than the cartels.

I agree that his model of harm reduction might be a step in the right direction...but it's all still blood money.




Haha what did he ever do to you though?


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku] * 3
    #21737765 - 05/29/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ikku said:
Did everyone miss the part where he tried to resort to murder for his own personal security?

If he hadn't done that, I might agree with everyone and honor him as a martyr for the cause. But he's just a greedy criminal in my eyes, willing to protect his own fortune and freedom with blood. That's disgusting. He's no better than the cartels.

I agree that his model of harm reduction might be a step in the right direction...but it's all still blood money.






Was that proven?  Did he get convicted of that?


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: vandago]
    #21737943 - 05/29/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder what he thought about how long that insane story would have gone on.

It's always the same. People like him just don't know when to quit.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21737971 - 05/29/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ikku said:
Did everyone miss the part where he tried to resort to murder for his own personal security?

If he hadn't done that, I might agree with everyone and honor him as a martyr for the cause. But he's just a greedy criminal in my eyes, willing to protect his own fortune and freedom with blood. That's disgusting. He's no better than the cartels.





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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Murzelpfrumpft] * 1
    #21737992 - 05/29/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know as a bastion of freedom, a lot of people here will be upset with this verdict. But take into account that this man contracted 5 murders (his would-be hitman was luckily an undercover officer) of people he considered a threat. He is scum and deserves what's coming to him.




Oh, this OP is dumber than a box of rocks.
Let me guess, you believe everything dailymail reports too?
What a naive kid you are. Main problem with the internet, allows for idiots to spout shit thats actually not right, and it perpetuates into this cauldron of shame, vanity and self affirmation, to name a few. Therefore it ends up being trial by media.And guess what buckaroo....thats exactly what you just fell for. Go back to reddit and hit refresh all day...

Sitting in your glass house motherfucker. But hey, you live in a bubble I would not pay money for. Stay oblivious kiddo. Theres a huge world out there, and you have no fucking clue boy.  Kicking a guy who is down who will be in prison for life....lets see you fucking care about the ILLEGAL ALIEN PEDO'S AND MURDERERS being let out daily. Oh...dont give a fuck about that right???
Oh you a PC skinny jeaner? Okay fine...google Pillowcase rapist. Why arent you up in arms about that? OP you are a fucking scum for kicking a man when he is down. And its comical...just like the mass media sheep...you bought it. GFY


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #21737998 - 05/29/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ikku said:
Did everyone miss the part where he tried to resort to murder for his own personal security?

If he hadn't done that, I might agree with everyone and honor him as a martyr for the cause. But he's just a greedy criminal in my eyes, willing to protect his own fortune and freedom with blood. That's disgusting. He's no better than the cartels.

I agree that his model of harm reduction might be a step in the right direction...but it's all still blood money.




Haha what did he ever do to you though?




Nothing that he did in particular, but I did have a cousin that was brutally murdered (as in disemboweled and left to die by the side of the road) by criminals in Mexico. I have no sympathy for killers. Period.

EDIT: To the guy who posted directly above me....chill down man, why are you directing anger at me? And condescending to me? Not necessary dude.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku] * 1
    #21738001 - 05/29/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Did everyone miss the part where he tried to resort to murder for his own personal security?




Nah, he was never serious about actually DOING that.  It was all a ruse/threat and never more to get a blackmailer off his back.  Shame, though, because merely giving an expression of a THOUGHT crime can sometimes be punished just as harshly as DOING the real thing.  No act of violence EVER took place.

No one should receive a life sentence for any drug related non-violent crime.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21738010 - 05/29/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Death threats are extremely serious, and there's no way to truly know that he wasn't going to follow through.

I see your point though NB, and respect that. I hope he gets the opportunity for parole later in life. But I truly believe that what he did was very serious and must be met with serious consequence. Wasn't he talking to a "hitman" who was actually a police officer?


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21738316 - 05/29/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Quote:

Ihateyou said:
Free my nigga Ross  :shakefist:




^^^^^  :whathesaid:

Fucking shameful sentence.  :facepalm:

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Sad day, but he stood for something at least, more than many can say.  I'm going to do some drugs in solidarity for him.  Honestly really depressing news.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21738336 - 05/29/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Death threats are extremely serious, and there's no way to truly know that he wasn't going to follow through.

I see your point though NB, and respect that. I hope he gets the opportunity for parole later in life. But I truly believe that what he did was very serious and must be met with serious consequence. Wasn't he talking to a "hitman" who was actually a police officer?





The police entrapped him.  He was put in a no win position and fuck the guy who was going to snitch on him anyway, that's part of the equation and everybody knows that.  I'm not behind the violence in the drug trade whatsoever but what idiot wouldn't do the same if faced with the choice of going down because of some lowly scumbag who got caught and can't take his own sentence?  He was paid and knew the risks.  Too bad he didn't get killed for real.  Have been ratted on myself by a relative of my then girlfriend and suffered because of it.  No fucking sympathy for any snitches that have the same dirty fingerprints as the person they are snitching on.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku] * 1
    #21738382 - 05/29/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But take into account that this man contracted 5 murders (his would-be hitman was luckily an undercover officer)




Luck implies chance, the entire murder plot was setup by the Feds. Read the other side of the story.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #21738403 - 05/29/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No truthfully he was pretty fucking dumb.  If you're going to try to undertake a task like this, you need to be SURE you aren't leaving any loose ends.  And he fucking makes posts about opening up a shop like this with immediate ties linked directly to his LinkedIn account?  Haha, he was fucking doomed from the start!  The fact that he discussed contracting a murder for hire only makes him a total scumbag and an attempted murder as opposed to a lousy criminal.  Don't get me wrong, I agree with the things he claimed to stand for.  But he overall he was pretty shitty at implementing it in the long run (and the short run, considering his biggest failures took place almost immediately). 

He came up with a good idea.  He fucked it up.  Does he deserve life imprisonment?  Not for running Silk Road, but for attempted murder, yeah he probably does.  Those of you justifying a hit on someone's life are just as shitty.  It's not like they tried to murder him.  Or had a family member kidnapped.  In that case, yeah, all bets are off.  He was talking to someone he didn't even fucking know through encrypted messages and got scammed for hundreds of thousands of dollars hahaha.  As well as busted talking about murder for hire.  The shit is laughable.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21738507 - 05/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21738552 - 05/29/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.



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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: misterogerz]
    #21738659 - 05/29/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He'd still have a job if he worked in a banking cartel


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21738674 - 05/29/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sad stuff man=(. Think about it... rapists, murderers, violent gun slinging criminals, and molesters even get a chance at parole. That Judge can go eat glass n drink bleach!
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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: vandago]
    #21738833 - 05/29/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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He's not even going to be in a min security prison :frown:

Dude's gonna have a long long life.  I hope he put some money aside for commissary and if he doesn't I hope some loyal fans give him some love.




They probably wont. Druggies dont actually care about their dealers or their "Drug buddies" when shit hits the fan, not one of them will be at your side. I speak from experience.

Good fucking riddens dude. Guy created an enterprise that started out selling guns and child pornography and shit. Not to mention the fact heroin and all types of destructive ass drugs were freely distributed by this jackass. Its harsh, but he played the game "high" so therefore the stakes were high.

....and he lost, simple as that. Dont feel bad for him. I promise you he is fine with his sentence. He must be because he knew damn well what he was doing, and what would ever happen to him if he was discovered. Now he gets to mellow out all day on the tax payers dollar for the rest of his life.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21738848 - 05/29/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




If your definition of "gaining ground" in the drug war is mailing hardcore narcotics to minors, and random ass research chemicals that are potentially harmful to millions over the globe....you have NO idea what the war on drugs is about or what it means to be a responsible drug user. This is fucking foot ball fields away from Marijuana being labeled as a class 1 narcotic, or saying LSD has no medical benefit whatsoever. Creating a fucking global empire that exploits others, and has zero regulation while participating in tax evasion isnt good for anyone. Especially when people are abusing the shit out of these substances, some of which can fuck a person over for life. He made it so a 15 yr old could order shards to his doorstep in a matter of days. You think THATS what prohibition reform is about? Grow up :commonsense:

He got off easy, plain and simple. You wanna know how they handle drug kingpins in a country like Mexico?  :header:  :sniper:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21739299 - 05/29/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what do you care?

the guy fulfilled a purpose and it was relatively safe for most of the parties involved

drug dealers didn't need silk road before and they won't now
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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Konyap]
    #21740014 - 05/30/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah ikku didnt need to get shit on... but yeah dude you definitely are just spouting off on  something we all followed for months and you clearly didnt do your own research or reading to get the facts straight...


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21740330 - 05/30/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:


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    #21740490 - 05/30/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's fucked up the no chance at parole decision was made after his heartfelt leter to leave him his last years of life.... They might as well kill him rather than force him to live without release. It really seems like cruel and unusual punishment. I wonder what would happen if he appealed the decision based on the eigth constitutional right as like I said the decision can easily be found cruel and unusual. Forcing a man to live with no hope of redemption for the "crimes"  "he" committed. Something is really wrong with this situation


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    #21740748 - 05/30/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What a kneejerk reactionary shitshow this case became. The proper sentence would have been 20-30 years with parole for attempted murder and organized criminal enterprising. This life in prison shit is just a vengeful bleeding heart right wing response to the sweeping blow to the war on drugs that the dark web has delivered. It's over, you lost. Now legalize, regulate, and educate or more will seek to profit via the same route, and more naive drug users will OD. The shit is globalized and expedited and they can't do a fucking thing about it. No amount of "examples" made by the courts will close this Pandora's box.


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    #21740749 - 05/30/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:




:lol: @ you buddy and whoever else quoted me above.  Your logic is inherently flawed in this case and you fail to understand the fundamental aspects that make your little habit go 'round.  Again, I do not know, nor do I care what you do, but as you are a member of this site I can assume that you are now or have in some time used, bought or sold illegal narcotics INCLUDING MARIJUANA and THEREFORE you have the very same BLOOD on you HANDS.  Sorry to have to explain it like a 5th grader, but you will not convince me otherwise. Fucking hippies man, think before you post. 

You are no better than the Mexican who smuggled the shit, or the Colombian who grew it, and yes you are better than the guy that disembowels or beheads people over drugs in Mexico, but that does not make you some pristine person who has no part in this.  Shame on you for thinking so highly of yourself and for reveling in the fall of somebody who I personally pity, but what he REPRESENTS is the  the RAPING of your own personal right to exist in this world and do what you want with your body.  Period.  Drugs come with inherent risks and some of us are more more removed than others. Some of us are so removed from it than others that we even to begin to think we are somehow superior to our brown brethren across the borders.  But you're not.  You are a fucking drug user and the US government is your enemy.  :smile: 

Alas, you will not listen, but it is not for a lack of understanding of anything to do with this issue, and I am not ill informed about what the drug war is all about, nor am I ignorant of the mass incarceration of minorities or any other thing you might throw at me.  Throw out the straw man that "minors suddenly have access to things that might harm them" since we all know that throughout human history young people have NEVER found a way to do foolish things and come to harm :lol:

Get over it dude, you've been trained by the machine so bad you don't even know it anymore.  You actually believe you're right.  Sad.


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    #21740755 - 05/30/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

PS, I've lost more than a few friends, homies, and family to drug use, violence  and addiction.  It does not entitle me to force my beliefs on everyone else.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21741028 - 05/30/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You want to know how cruel a punishment life with no hope of parole is?  Step outside and look at a cloud.  Feel the breeze on your skin.  Look forward to banging your favorite hottie. Sense your ability to go anywhere, and do anything you want, at any time...buy a pizza, call up a friend and have something to laugh about...and a MILLION other things that make life WORTH living.

Now take that all away and replace it with the cold hard reality of a prison - not just now - but for the rest of your life.  That punishment is fit only for recidivist child molesters and serial murderers and similar.

Creating a marketplace where willing drug buyers can safely and anonymously transact their business with willing drug sellers does NOT give any judge reason enough to dispense such a harsh sentence.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21741216 - 05/30/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If your definition of "gaining ground" in the drug war is mailing hardcore narcotics to minors, and random ass research chemicals that are potentially harmful to millions over the globe....you have NO idea what the war on drugs is about or what it means to be a responsible drug user...

...Especially when people are abusing the shit out of these substances, some of which can fuck a person over for life. He made it so a 15 yr old could order shards to his doorstep in a matter of days. You think THATS what prohibition reform is about? Grow up :commonsense:







While you do make some interesting points here... do you honestly believe that real teenagers can't get real drugs from real dealers on the streets? Sure, some people have a code and won't sell to minors. I respect that. I don't exactly agree with kids doing drugs, especially hard drugs. But all of this, from what Ross did, to kids getting their hands on drugs on the  street, are a logical consequence and progression of The War On Drugs. Full stop. If drugs were all legal and regulated, it would be more difficult for children to access them.

Impossible? No. Kids still get booze today. But when I was in high school, it was far easier for me to purchases marijuana, or even cocaine or heroin, than a bottle of booze.

If you want to be angry at someone for kids being able to get their hands on drugs so easily, The United States Government is the one you're looking for.

Also, as far as I know, kiddie porn was never sold on Silk Road. Not sure where you got that info from.

But while we're on the subject, people who fucking rape children get lighter sentences than this man got for drug crimes.


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    #21741228 - 05/30/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:




:lol: @ you buddy and whoever else quoted me above.  Your logic is inherently flawed in this case and you fail to understand the fundamental aspects that make your little habit go 'round.  Again, I do not know, nor do I care what you do, but as you are a member of this site I can assume that you are now or have in some time used, bought or sold illegal narcotics INCLUDING MARIJUANA and THEREFORE you have the very same BLOOD on you HANDS.  Sorry to have to explain it like a 5th grader, but you will not convince me otherwise. Fucking hippies man, think before you post. 

You are no better than the Mexican who smuggled the shit, or the Colombian who grew it, and yes you are better than the guy that disembowels or beheads people over drugs in Mexico, but that does not make you some pristine person who has no part in this.  Shame on you for thinking so highly of yourself and for reveling in the fall of somebody who I personally pity, but what he REPRESENTS is the  the RAPING of your own personal right to exist in this world and do what you want with your body.  Period.  Drugs come with inherent risks and some of us are more more removed than others. Some of us are so removed from it than others that we even to begin to think we are somehow superior to our brown brethren across the borders.  But you're not.  You are a fucking drug user and the US government is your enemy.  :smile: 

Alas, you will not listen, but it is not for a lack of understanding of anything to do with this issue, and I am not ill informed about what the drug war is all about, nor am I ignorant of the mass incarceration of minorities or any other thing you might throw at me.  Throw out the straw man that "minors suddenly have access to things that might harm them" since we all know that throughout human history young people have NEVER found a way to do foolish things and come to harm :lol:

Get over it dude, you've been trained by the machine so bad you don't even know it anymore.  You actually believe you're right.  Sad.




I've bought weed so I have the same blood on my hands as someone who tried to contract a murder for hire?  :laugh2:  There's nothing else you could say that would make you sound any dumber than that comment.  Not all marijuana comes from cartels dude haha for fuck's sake.  There's no way to tell what sentencing he would've gotten without the murder for hire aspect to his case.  If you don't think that looks pretty fucking bad in the eyes of a judge and juror than your brain really is as fucked as it seems to be.  If he hadn't discussed having someone killed then I would feel alright complaining about the sentencing.  But the fact is, he did. 

People that try to kill people or have others killed deserve to be in prison.  Period.  For life?  I don't know, maybe.  But I'm not going to cry over it.  As I said before, maybe what he tried to do was good, maybe it was great, maybe his agenda for it was all good hearted and wonderful.  But when you try to end someone's life on earth via murder, you now crossed a line and belong in prison.  However much laughing and rationalizing and justifying you try to do won't change that so quit acting like you're in on some big secret that others can't possibly understand just because they believe that a murder or attempted murder for hire means someone should not be out on the streets like a regular person.

Also, I didn't say shit about minors having access to whatever, so if you're going to quote my comment and try spitting knowledge, at least know who you're even talking to.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #21741231 - 05/30/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No amount of "examples" made by the courts will close this Pandora's box.





I think your words have been sufficiently proven true, at this point. The Silk Road was a hydra. In the wake of its destruction, several more popped up. And it seems like each time another fell, another several popped up to take its place. How many large markets are there, at this point? I don't really use DNMs (though I do follow the subject) so I'm not fully informed. But I get the impression that while none of these newer markets have achieved the size or popularity of SR, there have been quite a number of them, at this point...

And if Ross Ulbricht's persecution were any kind of deterrent, I'm not sure we'd be seeing that. Not quite at the level we have.

But we learned that threat of jail is no deterrent for drug crimes... what... 40-50 years ago now? How many more decades of evidence do we need, before the government realizes it's more harm than good, and tries another way?

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21741253 - 05/30/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I checked out the saveross.org link.

For one: I didn't see anything in there about the murder-for-hire being an entrapment set up by the feds.

When I do look up stuff about entrapment, it comes from some crap "news" outlet like Vice. I would sooner trust InfoWars. It's not serious journalism. Also, everything on the saveross.org link is managed by his family. OF COURSE they're going to say he's innocent. Have you ever been to jail/prison? Just about every single damn person in there is "innocent." They blame the system, they blame cops, they blame their accomplices, they blame everyone but themselves. No fucking responsibility for their actions. I'm not saying his family and their heartbreak don't matter, but I don't give a whole lot of credibility to an organization set up by them to prove his "innocence." They should work on the social causes surrounding the drug war to improve that situation, which may eventually gain him amnesty later in life. The self centered "free Ross" attitude that they have is the same self centered attitude that got him where he is in the first place.

Someone said that snitches deserve to die? Or who gives a shit about their murder? I bet THEIR families give a shit. Why do THEIR families not matter but this guy's family does? NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO MURDER. Killing in self defense, yes, but that's a big fucking stretch to apply it to his situation. He was not in mortal peril, his freedom was at stake, and it was NOT because of a snitch but because he was BREAKING THE LAW. Period. If he had killed the snitches, there would have been more and more snitches he would have had to kill for the rest of his life. That never would have gone away until he stopped doing what he was doing. Murder doesn't solve anything.

@NB: yeah I understand that freedom is precious. I've been to jail before. Freedom is something we all take for granted. That's why I don't play high stakes games like drug dealing anymore. Not fucking worth it. Seriously undermining the legal system is not the best way to bring about change. The legal system is corrupt, yes, but it's the best we have here, and it's a lot better than some other countries (ie Mexico where Ross would have been executed).


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21741350 - 05/30/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever been to prison? I have and i was guilty. Fuck off with your shit opinions. You must've snitched at some point in your life to care are rat's families feelings


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: azur]
    #21741514 - 05/30/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was making a generalization dude, chill out. The finger pointing is annoying, you're making assumptions about me because I don't think people should be killed. I think rats definitely deserve jail, they shouldn't get a free walk just because they're a rat. I don't think they should be murdered. No one should be.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21741660 - 05/30/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for putting all the quotes together now it is easily possible to see how pathetic the stand you've pigeonholed yourself into really is. Keyboard warrior with no sense and superiority complex. You've got blood on your hands mf man up and accept the fact. Also, learn when you've lost a pathetic argument that you never understood to begin with, and finally, change your username because you are a thoughtless individual and are simply unworthy of it. Have a nice day mr. Intellectual! :derp:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21741706 - 05/30/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:grin:

I don't think your opinion is pathetic, I just think it's wrong. Is it so hard to be afforded that same courtesy? Don't I have the right to be wrong? Jeez, you'd think I drowned your cat or something.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21741771 - 05/30/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Can an opinion be wrong?
An opinion may be supported by facts, in which case it becomes an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts. Opinions rarely change without new arguments being presented.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: azur]
    #21741784 - 05/30/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Right on. A logical "argument" is not the same as a "fight", and I'm getting a lot of hate because my argument opposes the general consensus in this community. No reason to pick fights over an argument. If my opinion makes someone so mad that they want to pick a fight with me, then maybe that person should step away from the keyboard before responding.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21741816 - 05/30/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okaaaay...can we now get back to giving attention to the horrid legal precedent that has been set by the tool of a federal judge?

The federal prosecutors must be walking around with raging hard-ons right now clucking to themselves about what a masterful job they did at ruining a life and carrying injustice to a new level of indecency.  It is my fondest wish that every one of their dicks spontaneously explode in their hands.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21741861 - 05/30/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What can we do about it?

Keep up with the Drug Policy Alliance, take action when they call to action, do what we can to educate people on harm reduction, do what we can to put the right people in office to change the tide. Unfortunately, the only way to change the system is from the inside out, using the tools of the system. Oppose the system radically, and it will destroy you.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21742003 - 05/30/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I apologize man wasn't sleeping but you are right. This situation bothers me more than I would have expected. :peace:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21742079 - 05/30/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What the fuck is the problem with putting a hit out on a guy threatening to turn you in to the government? Seriously, anyone want to explain what is morally wrong with that? It's not like he was going after innocent people. The people he was trying to take out were threatening his livelihood. He had no other options. If you fuck around like that with a guy that powerful, expect to not wake up in the morning?

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    #21742085 - 05/30/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Konyap]
    #21742106 - 05/30/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why hasn't the lady who runs backpage been locked up for running a site that sells underage sex slaves?
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    #21742540 - 05/30/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And who died?  No one.  Nothing ever happened.  Not one person ever got so much as a scratch.  Actual murderers and child rapists get less time.  The sentence is unjust.  Period.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: EastBayRay]
    #21742557 - 05/30/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Of course.  There's no sense arguing over the illegality of trying to arrange a murder.  I get that.  But it NEVER HAPPENED.  There are people free in society who HAVE killed others, and spent less than their entire life in jail.  THAT is what I'm angry about.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21742560 - 05/30/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So the long term effect of this case is:  Every Marketplace owner will exit scam 1 year or less from starting up.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: jahrastafareye]
    #21742567 - 05/30/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think that is a real possibility...and screwing how many people out of how much money when they suddenly shutter their business and disappear?

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21742572 - 05/30/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course.  There's no sense arguing over the illegality of trying to arrange a murder.  I get that.  But it NEVER HAPPENED.  There are people free in society who HAVE killed others, and spent less than their entire life in jail.  THAT is what I'm angry about.

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Conspiracy to commit murder is, many times, just as bad if not worse than actual murder. It displays criminal intent. MOST murders happen in the heat of the moment, unplanned, in a fit of rage or something. This is premeditated, malicious, evil intent. He seriously WANTED someone to die, in a sober state of mind. That is why contracting a murder is EXTREMELY punishable, even if the murder doesn't occur.


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    #21743463 - 05/31/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem is that the evidence is dubious at best. And Carl MArk Force, the DEA agent who supposedly gathered the evidence for the murder-for-hire, was arrested for corruption.

The whole case stinks to high heaven. Multiple agents were arrested for corruption, the NSA most likely broke the law to obtain the location of SR's servers, and the FBI lied numerous times about how they obtained certain evidence.

Which should be enough to get the whole case thrown out - but not when you have the prosecution and the judge literally working together to crucify you.. which is not supposed to be how the justice system works.

I mean come on - Judge Forrest wouldn't even let Ross *take a glance* at his own family in the courtroom because it might elicit sympathy from the jury.

So she had a bailiff block him from turning around to glance at his family and threatened him with consequences if he tried.

She's a heartless woman who probably thinks the drug war is the best thing since sliced bread (it is paying for her fat checks after all)

But, it's really easy to judge someone you've never met instead of considering the facts.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: chopstick]
    #21744083 - 05/31/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wow welll said chopstick :cheers:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21744200 - 05/31/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for putting all the quotes together now it is easily possible to see how pathetic the stand you've pigeonholed yourself into really is. Keyboard warrior with no sense and superiority complex. You've got blood on your hands mf man up and accept the fact. Also, learn when you've lost a pathetic argument that you never understood to begin with, and finally, change your username because you are a thoughtless individual and are simply unworthy of it. Have a nice day mr. Intellectual! :derp:




You're a fucking moron. I have blood on my hands from buying weed from my friend who grows it or eating grown/picked mushrooms?  :laugh2:  Oh, and I lost an argument because I said someone who contracts murder for hire deserves to be in prison?  Haha stay in school bro.  Try hard.  Some day you may be able to overcome your disabilities.  I'm cheering for you.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: chopstick]
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The problem is that the evidence is dubious at best. And Carl MArk Force, the DEA agent who supposedly gathered the evidence for the murder-for-hire, was arrested for corruption.

The whole case stinks to high heaven. Multiple agents were arrested for corruption, the NSA most likely broke the law to obtain the location of SR's servers, and the FBI lied numerous times about how they obtained certain evidence.
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Which should be enough to get the whole case thrown out - but not when you have the prosecution and the judge literally working together to crucify you.. which is not supposed to be how the justice system works.

I mean come on - Judge Forrest wouldn't even let Ross *take a glance* at his own family in the courtroom because it might elicit sympathy from the jury.

So she had a bailiff block him from turning around to glance at his family and threatened him with consequences if he tried.

She's a heartless woman who probably thinks the drug war is the best thing since sliced bread (it is paying for her fat checks after all)

But, it's really easy to judge someone you've never met instead of considering the facts.



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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21744382 - 05/31/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Death threats are extremely serious, and there's no way to truly know that he wasn't going to follow through.

I see your point though NB, and respect that. I hope he gets the opportunity for parole later in life. But I truly believe that what he did was very serious and must be met with serious consequence. Wasn't he talking to a "hitman" who was actually a police officer?





The police entrapped him.  He was put in a no win position and fuck the guy who was going to snitch on him anyway, that's part of the equation and everybody knows that.  I'm not behind the violence in the drug trade whatsoever but what idiot wouldn't do the same if faced with the choice of going down because of some lowly scumbag who got caught and can't take his own sentence?  He was paid and knew the risks.  Too bad he didn't get killed for real.  Have been ratted on myself by a relative of my then girlfriend and suffered because of it.  No fucking sympathy for any snitches that have the same dirty fingerprints as the person they are snitching on.




same here, I did fed time because of two kids I worked with(well I used one kids apartment for manufacture while the other kid was staying there) and grew up with who got in trouble for something unrelated to what I was doing. They through me under the bus trying to get a lighter sentence, they did the same to an ex friend, through him under the bus. The really sad thing is I took care of everything for them, paid all their bills, fed them, gave them free drugs too. In the end the cops didn't get what the rats said they were gonna get and got more time than anyone they ratted on.

Never trust anyone, even if you've known them your whole life. In the end I got popped cause I trusted the rats to properly dispose of some garbage, if it had been disposed of properly there wouldn't have been much of a case, the state had to drop charges for lack of evidence, feds stepped in and charged us all with conspiracy cause the birds wouldn't stop chirping.

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    #21744494 - 05/31/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21744538 - 05/31/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:




:lol: @ you buddy and whoever else quoted me above.  Your logic is inherently flawed in this case and you fail to understand the fundamental aspects that make your little habit go 'round.  Again, I do not know, nor do I care what you do, but as you are a member of this site I can assume that you are now or have in some time used, bought or sold illegal narcotics INCLUDING MARIJUANA and THEREFORE you have the very same BLOOD on you HANDS.  Sorry to have to explain it like a 5th grader, but you will not convince me otherwise. Fucking hippies man, think before you post. 

You are no better than the Mexican who smuggled the shit, or the Colombian who grew it, and yes you are better than the guy that disembowels or beheads people over drugs in Mexico, but that does not make you some pristine person who has no part in this.  Shame on you for thinking so highly of yourself and for reveling in the fall of somebody who I personally pity, but what he REPRESENTS is the  the RAPING of your own personal right to exist in this world and do what you want with your body.  Period.  Drugs come with inherent risks and some of us are more more removed than others. Some of us are so removed from it than others that we even to begin to think we are somehow superior to our brown brethren across the borders.  But you're not.  You are a fucking drug user and the US government is your enemy.  :smile: 

Alas, you will not listen, but it is not for a lack of understanding of anything to do with this issue, and I am not ill informed about what the drug war is all about, nor am I ignorant of the mass incarceration of minorities or any other thing you might throw at me.  Throw out the straw man that "minors suddenly have access to things that might harm them" since we all know that throughout human history young people have NEVER found a way to do foolish things and come to harm :lol:

Get over it dude, you've been trained by the machine so bad you don't even know it anymore.  You actually believe you're right.  Sad.




I've bought weed so I have the same blood on my hands as someone who tried to contract a murder for hire?  :laugh2:  There's nothing else you could say that would make you sound any dumber than that comment.  Not all marijuana comes from cartels dude haha for fuck's sake.  There's no way to tell what sentencing he would've gotten without the murder for hire aspect to his case.  If you don't think that looks pretty fucking bad in the eyes of a judge and juror than your brain really is as fucked as it seems to be.  If he hadn't discussed having someone killed then I would feel alright complaining about the sentencing.  But the fact is, he did. 

People that try to kill people or have others killed deserve to be in prison.  Period.  For life?  I don't know, maybe.  But I'm not going to cry over it.  As I said before, maybe what he tried to do was good, maybe it was great, maybe his agenda for it was all good hearted and wonderful.  But when you try to end someone's life on earth via murder, you now crossed a line and belong in prison.  However much laughing and rationalizing and justifying you try to do won't change that so quit acting like you're in on some big secret that others can't possibly understand just because they believe that a murder or attempted murder for hire means someone should not be out on the streets like a regular person.

Also, I didn't say shit about minors having access to whatever, so if you're going to quote my comment and try spitting knowledge, at least know who you're even talking to.



He wasn't convicted of murder-for-hire. When they convict him of that, then maybe he will deserve life in prison. The charges they did convict him of, however, are nonviolent and it makes no sense to impose such an unforgiving sentence.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: luckytriple6]
    #21744539 - 05/31/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ross was indicted or charged with murder-for-hire in a separate case, he has not been convicted of it and likely never will. The undercover agent who had posed as a hitman was stealing funds from Silkroad using the account of the witness he was supposed to kill.

http://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross-ulbricht/

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Ulbricht's alleged murder plots transformed Silk Road from a politically conscious, pro-drug online market to a dangerous and militant drug cartel.

So, where are those murder charges now?

To date, there have been precisely zero murder charges filed. Instead, the indictment has been changed without explanation, the formal charges omitted, and the broader accusations buried within a lesser drug trafficking charge.

Of the six murder indictments trumpeted by the U.S. government in the days following Ulbricht’s Oct. 2013 arrest, five have fallen off the table and the sixth sits untouched in a separate indictment (legalese for an unproven allegation) that was purposefully left out of the upcoming trial.




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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #21745614 - 05/31/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As far as I can tell he encouraged people to do exactly as they wanted to.

I think this is admirable.


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    #21746383 - 05/31/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anyone know all the charges that Ulbricht was convicted of?  I read that he was convicted on seven charges but cannot find a list of what those charges are.



"ULBRICHT, 31, of San Francisco, California, was convicted of seven offenses after a four-week jury trial: distributing narcotics, distributing narcotics by means of the Internet, conspiring to distribute narcotics, engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiring to commit computer hacking, conspiring to traffic in false identity documents, and conspiring to commit money laundering.

In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: D.M.T]
    #21746468 - 05/31/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Konyap]
    #21751782 - 06/02/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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All of the same excuses being made here, pretty much apply to every possible situation. Think about it:
-- It's part of the culture.
-- People are obliged to participate.
-- The locals will resent outside interference.
-- The state has a stake in protecting this trade.

Posters in this thread have tried to lay blame, but without knowing the rules. For instance, why, specifically, is this ok for some people, but not for others.

Regardless, the informant is invoking deadly force, in that gunmen will converge upon another human being, on his sayso.

The state does not have a moral objection against drug use, and the informant doesn't have a moral objection against the use of force. 


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: durian_2008]
    #21788208 - 06/10/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The feds are targeting people who have posted negative comments about Judge Forrest.

Be careful what you post, people.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-10/war-free-speech-accelerates-doj-subpoenas-reasoncom-over-comment-section

The United States Department of Justice is using federal grand jury subpoenas to identify anonymous commenters engaged in typical internet bluster and hyperbole in connection with the Silk Road prosecution. DOJ is targeting Reason.com, a leading libertarian website whose clever writing is eclipsed only by the blowhard stupidity of its commenting peanut gallery.



Why is the government using its vast power to identify these obnoxious asshats, and not the other tens of thousands who plague the internet?



Because these twerps mouthed off about a judge.



Last week, a source provided me with a federal grand jury subpoena. The subpoena, issued by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, is directed to Reason.com in Washington, D.C.. The subpoena commands Reason to provide the grand jury “any and all identifying information” Reason has about participants in what the subpoena calls a “chat.”



Several commenters on the post found the sentence unjust, and vented their feelings in a rough manner. The grand jury subpoena specifies their comments and demands that Reason.com produce any identifying information on them:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: chopstick]
    #21788748 - 06/10/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, great...now our freedom of speech, the ONE thing left to us is at risk of being quashed by threat and intimidation?  There's no harm in disagreeing with a judge.  In fact, I believe it is your OBLIGATION to speak out when an injustice is/has been committed.

That having been said, don't levy a personal (verbal) attack or ever make a threat (no matter how idle) against a judge.  That might be actionable.  BUT...it is perfectly fine to disagree, be upset, or express your disbelief at injustice as you perceive it to be.

I personally believe the sentence handed down is excessive and is a very poor match to the actual crime(s).  I can (and so can you) say that with impunity.  Don't EVER let them silence your voice or your opinion - which you are absolutely entitled to express.  To do so is anathema to all that this country is founded upon.  It is your Constitutional right.

What is NOT protected is personal attacks (verbal or physical) against public officials.  Learn the difference and you will be fine.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21790224 - 06/10/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All this facebook crap has put that Queenagarchy bullshit back on the burner


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