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OfflineTheBoomking
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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: chopstick]
    #21744083 - 05/31/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wow welll said chopstick :cheers:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21744200 - 05/31/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for putting all the quotes together now it is easily possible to see how pathetic the stand you've pigeonholed yourself into really is. Keyboard warrior with no sense and superiority complex. You've got blood on your hands mf man up and accept the fact. Also, learn when you've lost a pathetic argument that you never understood to begin with, and finally, change your username because you are a thoughtless individual and are simply unworthy of it. Have a nice day mr. Intellectual! :derp:




You're a fucking moron. I have blood on my hands from buying weed from my friend who grows it or eating grown/picked mushrooms?  :laugh2:  Oh, and I lost an argument because I said someone who contracts murder for hire deserves to be in prison?  Haha stay in school bro.  Try hard.  Some day you may be able to overcome your disabilities.  I'm cheering for you.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: chopstick]
    #21744217 - 05/31/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is that the evidence is dubious at best. And Carl MArk Force, the DEA agent who supposedly gathered the evidence for the murder-for-hire, was arrested for corruption.

The whole case stinks to high heaven. Multiple agents were arrested for corruption, the NSA most likely broke the law to obtain the location of SR's servers, and the FBI lied numerous times about how they obtained certain evidence.
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Which should be enough to get the whole case thrown out - but not when you have the prosecution and the judge literally working together to crucify you.. which is not supposed to be how the justice system works.

I mean come on - Judge Forrest wouldn't even let Ross *take a glance* at his own family in the courtroom because it might elicit sympathy from the jury.

So she had a bailiff block him from turning around to glance at his family and threatened him with consequences if he tried.

She's a heartless woman who probably thinks the drug war is the best thing since sliced bread (it is paying for her fat checks after all)

But, it's really easy to judge someone you've never met instead of considering the facts.



Was gonna reply to this but I gotta jet. Maybe later


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21744382 - 05/31/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Death threats are extremely serious, and there's no way to truly know that he wasn't going to follow through.

I see your point though NB, and respect that. I hope he gets the opportunity for parole later in life. But I truly believe that what he did was very serious and must be met with serious consequence. Wasn't he talking to a "hitman" who was actually a police officer?





The police entrapped him.  He was put in a no win position and fuck the guy who was going to snitch on him anyway, that's part of the equation and everybody knows that.  I'm not behind the violence in the drug trade whatsoever but what idiot wouldn't do the same if faced with the choice of going down because of some lowly scumbag who got caught and can't take his own sentence?  He was paid and knew the risks.  Too bad he didn't get killed for real.  Have been ratted on myself by a relative of my then girlfriend and suffered because of it.  No fucking sympathy for any snitches that have the same dirty fingerprints as the person they are snitching on.




same here, I did fed time because of two kids I worked with(well I used one kids apartment for manufacture while the other kid was staying there) and grew up with who got in trouble for something unrelated to what I was doing. They through me under the bus trying to get a lighter sentence, they did the same to an ex friend, through him under the bus. The really sad thing is I took care of everything for them, paid all their bills, fed them, gave them free drugs too. In the end the cops didn't get what the rats said they were gonna get and got more time than anyone they ratted on.

Never trust anyone, even if you've known them your whole life. In the end I got popped cause I trusted the rats to properly dispose of some garbage, if it had been disposed of properly there wouldn't have been much of a case, the state had to drop charges for lack of evidence, feds stepped in and charged us all with conspiracy cause the birds wouldn't stop chirping.

I don't blame Ross one bit for trying to get rid of the trash


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison *DELETED* [Re: luckytriple6]
    #21744470 - 05/31/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: EastBayRay]
    #21744494 - 05/31/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21744538 - 05/31/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:




:lol: @ you buddy and whoever else quoted me above.  Your logic is inherently flawed in this case and you fail to understand the fundamental aspects that make your little habit go 'round.  Again, I do not know, nor do I care what you do, but as you are a member of this site I can assume that you are now or have in some time used, bought or sold illegal narcotics INCLUDING MARIJUANA and THEREFORE you have the very same BLOOD on you HANDS.  Sorry to have to explain it like a 5th grader, but you will not convince me otherwise. Fucking hippies man, think before you post. 

You are no better than the Mexican who smuggled the shit, or the Colombian who grew it, and yes you are better than the guy that disembowels or beheads people over drugs in Mexico, but that does not make you some pristine person who has no part in this.  Shame on you for thinking so highly of yourself and for reveling in the fall of somebody who I personally pity, but what he REPRESENTS is the  the RAPING of your own personal right to exist in this world and do what you want with your body.  Period.  Drugs come with inherent risks and some of us are more more removed than others. Some of us are so removed from it than others that we even to begin to think we are somehow superior to our brown brethren across the borders.  But you're not.  You are a fucking drug user and the US government is your enemy.  :smile: 

Alas, you will not listen, but it is not for a lack of understanding of anything to do with this issue, and I am not ill informed about what the drug war is all about, nor am I ignorant of the mass incarceration of minorities or any other thing you might throw at me.  Throw out the straw man that "minors suddenly have access to things that might harm them" since we all know that throughout human history young people have NEVER found a way to do foolish things and come to harm :lol:

Get over it dude, you've been trained by the machine so bad you don't even know it anymore.  You actually believe you're right.  Sad.




I've bought weed so I have the same blood on my hands as someone who tried to contract a murder for hire?  :laugh2:  There's nothing else you could say that would make you sound any dumber than that comment.  Not all marijuana comes from cartels dude haha for fuck's sake.  There's no way to tell what sentencing he would've gotten without the murder for hire aspect to his case.  If you don't think that looks pretty fucking bad in the eyes of a judge and juror than your brain really is as fucked as it seems to be.  If he hadn't discussed having someone killed then I would feel alright complaining about the sentencing.  But the fact is, he did. 

People that try to kill people or have others killed deserve to be in prison.  Period.  For life?  I don't know, maybe.  But I'm not going to cry over it.  As I said before, maybe what he tried to do was good, maybe it was great, maybe his agenda for it was all good hearted and wonderful.  But when you try to end someone's life on earth via murder, you now crossed a line and belong in prison.  However much laughing and rationalizing and justifying you try to do won't change that so quit acting like you're in on some big secret that others can't possibly understand just because they believe that a murder or attempted murder for hire means someone should not be out on the streets like a regular person.

Also, I didn't say shit about minors having access to whatever, so if you're going to quote my comment and try spitting knowledge, at least know who you're even talking to.



He wasn't convicted of murder-for-hire. When they convict him of that, then maybe he will deserve life in prison. The charges they did convict him of, however, are nonviolent and it makes no sense to impose such an unforgiving sentence.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: luckytriple6]
    #21744539 - 05/31/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ross was indicted or charged with murder-for-hire in a separate case, he has not been convicted of it and likely never will. The undercover agent who had posed as a hitman was stealing funds from Silkroad using the account of the witness he was supposed to kill.

http://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross-ulbricht/

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Ulbricht's alleged murder plots transformed Silk Road from a politically conscious, pro-drug online market to a dangerous and militant drug cartel.

So, where are those murder charges now?

To date, there have been precisely zero murder charges filed. Instead, the indictment has been changed without explanation, the formal charges omitted, and the broader accusations buried within a lesser drug trafficking charge.

Of the six murder indictments trumpeted by the U.S. government in the days following Ulbricht’s Oct. 2013 arrest, five have fallen off the table and the sixth sits untouched in a separate indictment (legalese for an unproven allegation) that was purposefully left out of the upcoming trial.




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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #21745614 - 05/31/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As far as I can tell he encouraged people to do exactly as they wanted to.

I think this is admirable.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison *DELETED* [Re: filthyknees]
    #21746155 - 05/31/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: EastBayRay]
    #21746383 - 05/31/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anyone know all the charges that Ulbricht was convicted of?  I read that he was convicted on seven charges but cannot find a list of what those charges are.



"ULBRICHT, 31, of San Francisco, California, was convicted of seven offenses after a four-week jury trial: distributing narcotics, distributing narcotics by means of the Internet, conspiring to distribute narcotics, engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiring to commit computer hacking, conspiring to traffic in false identity documents, and conspiring to commit money laundering.

In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: D.M.T]
    #21746468 - 05/31/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

play that funky music white boy lol


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Konyap]
    #21751782 - 06/02/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I would sooner trust InfoWars.




(Not a personal endorsement. Offered for consideration only.)

:blush: Geraldo on Fox News --


All of the same excuses being made here, pretty much apply to every possible situation. Think about it:
-- It's part of the culture.
-- People are obliged to participate.
-- The locals will resent outside interference.
-- The state has a stake in protecting this trade.

Posters in this thread have tried to lay blame, but without knowing the rules. For instance, why, specifically, is this ok for some people, but not for others.

Regardless, the informant is invoking deadly force, in that gunmen will converge upon another human being, on his sayso.

The state does not have a moral objection against drug use, and the informant doesn't have a moral objection against the use of force. 


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: durian_2008]
    #21788208 - 06/10/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The feds are targeting people who have posted negative comments about Judge Forrest.

Be careful what you post, people.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-10/war-free-speech-accelerates-doj-subpoenas-reasoncom-over-comment-section

The United States Department of Justice is using federal grand jury subpoenas to identify anonymous commenters engaged in typical internet bluster and hyperbole in connection with the Silk Road prosecution. DOJ is targeting Reason.com, a leading libertarian website whose clever writing is eclipsed only by the blowhard stupidity of its commenting peanut gallery.



Why is the government using its vast power to identify these obnoxious asshats, and not the other tens of thousands who plague the internet?



Because these twerps mouthed off about a judge.



Last week, a source provided me with a federal grand jury subpoena. The subpoena, issued by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, is directed to Reason.com in Washington, D.C.. The subpoena commands Reason to provide the grand jury “any and all identifying information” Reason has about participants in what the subpoena calls a “chat.”



Several commenters on the post found the sentence unjust, and vented their feelings in a rough manner. The grand jury subpoena specifies their comments and demands that Reason.com produce any identifying information on them:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: chopstick]
    #21788748 - 06/10/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, great...now our freedom of speech, the ONE thing left to us is at risk of being quashed by threat and intimidation?  There's no harm in disagreeing with a judge.  In fact, I believe it is your OBLIGATION to speak out when an injustice is/has been committed.

That having been said, don't levy a personal (verbal) attack or ever make a threat (no matter how idle) against a judge.  That might be actionable.  BUT...it is perfectly fine to disagree, be upset, or express your disbelief at injustice as you perceive it to be.

I personally believe the sentence handed down is excessive and is a very poor match to the actual crime(s).  I can (and so can you) say that with impunity.  Don't EVER let them silence your voice or your opinion - which you are absolutely entitled to express.  To do so is anathema to all that this country is founded upon.  It is your Constitutional right.

What is NOT protected is personal attacks (verbal or physical) against public officials.  Learn the difference and you will be fine.

:2cents:

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21790224 - 06/10/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All this facebook crap has put that Queenagarchy bullshit back on the burner


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