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OfflineHygrocybe
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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku] * 1
    #21738382 - 05/29/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But take into account that this man contracted 5 murders (his would-be hitman was luckily an undercover officer)




Luck implies chance, the entire murder plot was setup by the Feds. Read the other side of the story.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #21738403 - 05/29/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No truthfully he was pretty fucking dumb.  If you're going to try to undertake a task like this, you need to be SURE you aren't leaving any loose ends.  And he fucking makes posts about opening up a shop like this with immediate ties linked directly to his LinkedIn account?  Haha, he was fucking doomed from the start!  The fact that he discussed contracting a murder for hire only makes him a total scumbag and an attempted murder as opposed to a lousy criminal.  Don't get me wrong, I agree with the things he claimed to stand for.  But he overall he was pretty shitty at implementing it in the long run (and the short run, considering his biggest failures took place almost immediately). 

He came up with a good idea.  He fucked it up.  Does he deserve life imprisonment?  Not for running Silk Road, but for attempted murder, yeah he probably does.  Those of you justifying a hit on someone's life are just as shitty.  It's not like they tried to murder him.  Or had a family member kidnapped.  In that case, yeah, all bets are off.  He was talking to someone he didn't even fucking know through encrypted messages and got scammed for hundreds of thousands of dollars hahaha.  As well as busted talking about murder for hire.  The shit is laughable.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21738507 - 05/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21738552 - 05/29/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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refried said:
Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.



DEA agents get to party with cartel hookers :strokebeard2:


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: misterogerz]
    #21738659 - 05/29/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He'd still have a job if he worked in a banking cartel


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ikku]
    #21738674 - 05/29/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sad stuff man=(. Think about it... rapists, murderers, violent gun slinging criminals, and molesters even get a chance at parole. That Judge can go eat glass n drink bleach!
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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: vandago]
    #21738833 - 05/29/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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He's not even going to be in a min security prison :frown:

Dude's gonna have a long long life.  I hope he put some money aside for commissary and if he doesn't I hope some loyal fans give him some love.




They probably wont. Druggies dont actually care about their dealers or their "Drug buddies" when shit hits the fan, not one of them will be at your side. I speak from experience.

Good fucking riddens dude. Guy created an enterprise that started out selling guns and child pornography and shit. Not to mention the fact heroin and all types of destructive ass drugs were freely distributed by this jackass. Its harsh, but he played the game "high" so therefore the stakes were high.

....and he lost, simple as that. Dont feel bad for him. I promise you he is fine with his sentence. He must be because he knew damn well what he was doing, and what would ever happen to him if he was discovered. Now he gets to mellow out all day on the tax payers dollar for the rest of his life.

He still "Won". Assuming he can defend himself, he will be perfectly fine


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21738848 - 05/29/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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refried said:
Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




If your definition of "gaining ground" in the drug war is mailing hardcore narcotics to minors, and random ass research chemicals that are potentially harmful to millions over the globe....you have NO idea what the war on drugs is about or what it means to be a responsible drug user. This is fucking foot ball fields away from Marijuana being labeled as a class 1 narcotic, or saying LSD has no medical benefit whatsoever. Creating a fucking global empire that exploits others, and has zero regulation while participating in tax evasion isnt good for anyone. Especially when people are abusing the shit out of these substances, some of which can fuck a person over for life. He made it so a 15 yr old could order shards to his doorstep in a matter of days. You think THATS what prohibition reform is about? Grow up :commonsense:

He got off easy, plain and simple. You wanna know how they handle drug kingpins in a country like Mexico?  :header:  :sniper:


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Edited by Almond Flour (05/29/15 10:09 PM)


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21739299 - 05/29/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what do you care?

the guy fulfilled a purpose and it was relatively safe for most of the parties involved

drug dealers didn't need silk road before and they won't now
have fun dealing with people that are 100% scam artist in the real world


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Konyap]
    #21740014 - 05/30/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah ikku didnt need to get shit on... but yeah dude you definitely are just spouting off on  something we all followed for months and you clearly didnt do your own research or reading to get the facts straight...


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21740330 - 05/30/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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refried said:
Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:


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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21740490 - 05/30/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's fucked up the no chance at parole decision was made after his heartfelt leter to leave him his last years of life.... They might as well kill him rather than force him to live without release. It really seems like cruel and unusual punishment. I wonder what would happen if he appealed the decision based on the eigth constitutional right as like I said the decision can easily be found cruel and unusual. Forcing a man to live with no hope of redemption for the "crimes"  "he" committed. Something is really wrong with this situation


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: tacodude] * 1
    #21740748 - 05/30/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What a kneejerk reactionary shitshow this case became. The proper sentence would have been 20-30 years with parole for attempted murder and organized criminal enterprising. This life in prison shit is just a vengeful bleeding heart right wing response to the sweeping blow to the war on drugs that the dark web has delivered. It's over, you lost. Now legalize, regulate, and educate or more will seek to profit via the same route, and more naive drug users will OD. The shit is globalized and expedited and they can't do a fucking thing about it. No amount of "examples" made by the courts will close this Pandora's box.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Shpongle1]
    #21740749 - 05/30/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Shpongle1 said:
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refried said:
Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:




:lol: @ you buddy and whoever else quoted me above.  Your logic is inherently flawed in this case and you fail to understand the fundamental aspects that make your little habit go 'round.  Again, I do not know, nor do I care what you do, but as you are a member of this site I can assume that you are now or have in some time used, bought or sold illegal narcotics INCLUDING MARIJUANA and THEREFORE you have the very same BLOOD on you HANDS.  Sorry to have to explain it like a 5th grader, but you will not convince me otherwise. Fucking hippies man, think before you post. 

You are no better than the Mexican who smuggled the shit, or the Colombian who grew it, and yes you are better than the guy that disembowels or beheads people over drugs in Mexico, but that does not make you some pristine person who has no part in this.  Shame on you for thinking so highly of yourself and for reveling in the fall of somebody who I personally pity, but what he REPRESENTS is the  the RAPING of your own personal right to exist in this world and do what you want with your body.  Period.  Drugs come with inherent risks and some of us are more more removed than others. Some of us are so removed from it than others that we even to begin to think we are somehow superior to our brown brethren across the borders.  But you're not.  You are a fucking drug user and the US government is your enemy.  :smile: 

Alas, you will not listen, but it is not for a lack of understanding of anything to do with this issue, and I am not ill informed about what the drug war is all about, nor am I ignorant of the mass incarceration of minorities or any other thing you might throw at me.  Throw out the straw man that "minors suddenly have access to things that might harm them" since we all know that throughout human history young people have NEVER found a way to do foolish things and come to harm :lol:

Get over it dude, you've been trained by the machine so bad you don't even know it anymore.  You actually believe you're right.  Sad.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21740755 - 05/30/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

PS, I've lost more than a few friends, homies, and family to drug use, violence  and addiction.  It does not entitle me to force my beliefs on everyone else.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21741028 - 05/30/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You want to know how cruel a punishment life with no hope of parole is?  Step outside and look at a cloud.  Feel the breeze on your skin.  Look forward to banging your favorite hottie. Sense your ability to go anywhere, and do anything you want, at any time...buy a pizza, call up a friend and have something to laugh about...and a MILLION other things that make life WORTH living.

Now take that all away and replace it with the cold hard reality of a prison - not just now - but for the rest of your life.  That punishment is fit only for recidivist child molesters and serial murderers and similar.

Creating a marketplace where willing drug buyers can safely and anonymously transact their business with willing drug sellers does NOT give any judge reason enough to dispense such a harsh sentence.

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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21741216 - 05/30/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
If your definition of "gaining ground" in the drug war is mailing hardcore narcotics to minors, and random ass research chemicals that are potentially harmful to millions over the globe....you have NO idea what the war on drugs is about or what it means to be a responsible drug user...

...Especially when people are abusing the shit out of these substances, some of which can fuck a person over for life. He made it so a 15 yr old could order shards to his doorstep in a matter of days. You think THATS what prohibition reform is about? Grow up :commonsense:







While you do make some interesting points here... do you honestly believe that real teenagers can't get real drugs from real dealers on the streets? Sure, some people have a code and won't sell to minors. I respect that. I don't exactly agree with kids doing drugs, especially hard drugs. But all of this, from what Ross did, to kids getting their hands on drugs on the  street, are a logical consequence and progression of The War On Drugs. Full stop. If drugs were all legal and regulated, it would be more difficult for children to access them.

Impossible? No. Kids still get booze today. But when I was in high school, it was far easier for me to purchases marijuana, or even cocaine or heroin, than a bottle of booze.

If you want to be angry at someone for kids being able to get their hands on drugs so easily, The United States Government is the one you're looking for.

Also, as far as I know, kiddie porn was never sold on Silk Road. Not sure where you got that info from.

But while we're on the subject, people who fucking rape children get lighter sentences than this man got for drug crimes.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: refried]
    #21741228 - 05/30/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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refried said:
Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
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refried said:
Wow, defending this guy defends everything I stand for, including saying fuck an informant, I could give two shits about their murder.  This guy was/is a game changer and this is a blow to the drug war one way or the other.  Sad to see a member of a drug oriented community pass judgement so easily and fall into a self-righteous, media fueled rant about how dumb this obviously more intelligent than you man is.  Jesus Christ man, never talked to you or anything but what's your poison of choice?  most likely you have at least indirectly benefited from the silk road and whether you see this as a legitimate cause or not, it is and you should.

Sad fucking day and sad times.  Shameful sentence and shameful crooked system, lawmakers and cops.  Too bad the 2 (that we know of) DEA agents who were involved in extorting Ross will not face anywhere near the same penalty.  We don't see eye to eye on this one.  Anyway, sorry to hear about this but happens every day at least this will make some people think.




I specifically said the things he claimed to stand for I agree with and that he doesn't deserve life for running Silk Road, in my opinion.  As for your opinion of his other charges, personally I don't give a damn how you justify murder or attempting to have someone killed.  If you get caught doing that you go bye-bye for a long time, and I don't see anything wrong with that at all in this case.  He was running an illegal organization.  That's whatever, I don't take any issue with that.  But when running said illegal operation means you feel cornered into having no other option but to have someone killed, yeah you crossed a line and you deserve to go to prison for that.  I don't care if you can justify murder in your mind or not, that doesn't reflect poorly on me.  :lol:




:lol: @ you buddy and whoever else quoted me above.  Your logic is inherently flawed in this case and you fail to understand the fundamental aspects that make your little habit go 'round.  Again, I do not know, nor do I care what you do, but as you are a member of this site I can assume that you are now or have in some time used, bought or sold illegal narcotics INCLUDING MARIJUANA and THEREFORE you have the very same BLOOD on you HANDS.  Sorry to have to explain it like a 5th grader, but you will not convince me otherwise. Fucking hippies man, think before you post. 

You are no better than the Mexican who smuggled the shit, or the Colombian who grew it, and yes you are better than the guy that disembowels or beheads people over drugs in Mexico, but that does not make you some pristine person who has no part in this.  Shame on you for thinking so highly of yourself and for reveling in the fall of somebody who I personally pity, but what he REPRESENTS is the  the RAPING of your own personal right to exist in this world and do what you want with your body.  Period.  Drugs come with inherent risks and some of us are more more removed than others. Some of us are so removed from it than others that we even to begin to think we are somehow superior to our brown brethren across the borders.  But you're not.  You are a fucking drug user and the US government is your enemy.  :smile: 

Alas, you will not listen, but it is not for a lack of understanding of anything to do with this issue, and I am not ill informed about what the drug war is all about, nor am I ignorant of the mass incarceration of minorities or any other thing you might throw at me.  Throw out the straw man that "minors suddenly have access to things that might harm them" since we all know that throughout human history young people have NEVER found a way to do foolish things and come to harm :lol:

Get over it dude, you've been trained by the machine so bad you don't even know it anymore.  You actually believe you're right.  Sad.




I've bought weed so I have the same blood on my hands as someone who tried to contract a murder for hire?  :laugh2:  There's nothing else you could say that would make you sound any dumber than that comment.  Not all marijuana comes from cartels dude haha for fuck's sake.  There's no way to tell what sentencing he would've gotten without the murder for hire aspect to his case.  If you don't think that looks pretty fucking bad in the eyes of a judge and juror than your brain really is as fucked as it seems to be.  If he hadn't discussed having someone killed then I would feel alright complaining about the sentencing.  But the fact is, he did. 

People that try to kill people or have others killed deserve to be in prison.  Period.  For life?  I don't know, maybe.  But I'm not going to cry over it.  As I said before, maybe what he tried to do was good, maybe it was great, maybe his agenda for it was all good hearted and wonderful.  But when you try to end someone's life on earth via murder, you now crossed a line and belong in prison.  However much laughing and rationalizing and justifying you try to do won't change that so quit acting like you're in on some big secret that others can't possibly understand just because they believe that a murder or attempted murder for hire means someone should not be out on the streets like a regular person.

Also, I didn't say shit about minors having access to whatever, so if you're going to quote my comment and try spitting knowledge, at least know who you're even talking to.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #21741231 - 05/30/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No amount of "examples" made by the courts will close this Pandora's box.





I think your words have been sufficiently proven true, at this point. The Silk Road was a hydra. In the wake of its destruction, several more popped up. And it seems like each time another fell, another several popped up to take its place. How many large markets are there, at this point? I don't really use DNMs (though I do follow the subject) so I'm not fully informed. But I get the impression that while none of these newer markets have achieved the size or popularity of SR, there have been quite a number of them, at this point...

And if Ross Ulbricht's persecution were any kind of deterrent, I'm not sure we'd be seeing that. Not quite at the level we have.

But we learned that threat of jail is no deterrent for drug crimes... what... 40-50 years ago now? How many more decades of evidence do we need, before the government realizes it's more harm than good, and tries another way?

Unless, of course, things are actually working exactly according to plan....?


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Re: Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life in prison [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21741253 - 05/30/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I checked out the saveross.org link.

For one: I didn't see anything in there about the murder-for-hire being an entrapment set up by the feds.

When I do look up stuff about entrapment, it comes from some crap "news" outlet like Vice. I would sooner trust InfoWars. It's not serious journalism. Also, everything on the saveross.org link is managed by his family. OF COURSE they're going to say he's innocent. Have you ever been to jail/prison? Just about every single damn person in there is "innocent." They blame the system, they blame cops, they blame their accomplices, they blame everyone but themselves. No fucking responsibility for their actions. I'm not saying his family and their heartbreak don't matter, but I don't give a whole lot of credibility to an organization set up by them to prove his "innocence." They should work on the social causes surrounding the drug war to improve that situation, which may eventually gain him amnesty later in life. The self centered "free Ross" attitude that they have is the same self centered attitude that got him where he is in the first place.

Someone said that snitches deserve to die? Or who gives a shit about their murder? I bet THEIR families give a shit. Why do THEIR families not matter but this guy's family does? NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO MURDER. Killing in self defense, yes, but that's a big fucking stretch to apply it to his situation. He was not in mortal peril, his freedom was at stake, and it was NOT because of a snitch but because he was BREAKING THE LAW. Period. If he had killed the snitches, there would have been more and more snitches he would have had to kill for the rest of his life. That never would have gone away until he stopped doing what he was doing. Murder doesn't solve anything.

@NB: yeah I understand that freedom is precious. I've been to jail before. Freedom is something we all take for granted. That's why I don't play high stakes games like drug dealing anymore. Not fucking worth it. Seriously undermining the legal system is not the best way to bring about change. The legal system is corrupt, yes, but it's the best we have here, and it's a lot better than some other countries (ie Mexico where Ross would have been executed).


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