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Is this healthy? (First time)
    #21737134 - 05/29/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hi all, first time posting and first time growing. Does this look healthy? I had a contam on the edges because of use of masking tape and the mycelium grew upwards and started turning green so I cut it off when it was early and I think the whole batch was saved. The caps look very crusty and I'm not sure if that is healthy or not.

I inoculated 30 jars and 29 were fine, 1 never grew even after the rest reached full colonization. The pictures below were 2 cakes added in between layers of sterilized verm. Some spots grew quicker and I had my 50/50+ ready by then and added on top.

Since then I switched to using smaller trays and with verm layer bottom and 50/50+ casing on top of cake slices or whole cakes, those trays are still colonizing the casing so I'll wait until they start to consolidate and pin.

The trays are all put inside a room with a air purifier running 24/7, open greenhouse with an ultrasonic humidifier running 24/7 pumping moisture and oxygen into it. All level of the stack shows 80-90% humidity throughout the day and temperature is sitting around 75. I only have a 6500k LED turned on 12/12 cycle but I think they don't need THAT much lighting right?

I'm glad I found this site as everyone has been super helpful and all the information on here helped me get this far. I'm not sure how I'm doing as this is the first tray (there was one more tray but that got crazy contam as I was getting too greedy trying to colonize a huge tray of BRF/Verm substrate) but it seems healthy except the caps being crusty and white, I'm hoping they'll grow out of it. Please let me know if there is anything I can improve on!!!

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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21737281 - 05/29/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How deep is your case?  Having your humidifier going 24/7 without good frequent evaporation by fanning it with a magazine or something could cause little to no growth.  Those look stillborn to me.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Jenn]
    #21737414 - 05/29/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The casing is about 1-2" deep, just enough to cover the slices and crumbled brf cake. The picture was taken earlier today, there was significant growth to most of them since yesterday but I notice mycelium on top of the caps and slight crust.

Air circulation should be okay as there is a air purifier blowing occasionally to that area. The green house has one side completely opened. Perhaps it will help if I fan it a couple times a day?


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21737573 - 05/29/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The casing is about 1-2" deep, just enough to cover the slices and crumbled brf cake. The picture was taken earlier today, there was significant growth to most of them since yesterday but I notice mycelium on top of the caps and slight crust.

Air circulation should be okay as there is a air purifier blowing occasionally to that area. The green house has one side completely opened. Perhaps it will help if I fan it a couple times a day?



The casing layer is way too deep, that could be why there is little growth. Effective casing layers should be no more than half an inch deep. In fact, cubes don't need a casing layer at all and would fruit normally without one. In my experience, I get larger, thicker fruits fruiting without a casing layer. You just gotta see what works best for you.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21747331 - 06/01/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So after two days from last set of pictures. I'm not sure why there are some discoloration but I'm hoping they look healthy. It's my first time so I'm no expert and don't want to assume incorrectly. Thanks for any feedbacks!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21747558 - 06/01/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Next timr you get a contam dont try to cut it out because this will just spread the infection

But it looks fine to me, congradulations om your first grow! First of many I hope


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: mushpunx]
    #21747634 - 06/01/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it also looks dry as fuck to me.. give it a good mist!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: spacechildo]
    #21748934 - 06/01/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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it also looks dry as fuck to me.. give it a good mist!




Thanks, I gave it a quick mist... Question, I thought misting during fruiting stage is not good?

Majority of them looks classic with the red brownish cap, but I notice maybe 4 or 5 of them are slightly discolored, to the point that it's almost blue, is that normal?

Thank you for helping out!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21748977 - 06/01/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

misting during fruiting isn't necessary if your tub is dialed in perfectly.
if it isn't dialed in a mist is very helpful. it rains outside which doesnt harm outside fruits,
just make sure you got good FAE going so the mushrooms dont stay wet. :super:

I dont see blue, I see some very pale ones which can be a sign of them being dry.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: spacechildo]
    #21751722 - 06/02/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the help! So one day after the last set of photos they all seem to broke the veil and I notice spores started dropping. Should I start harvesting the ones that the veil broke off or should I wait for the rest to break the veils?

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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21754628 - 06/02/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I guess I picked them a little too late as spores started dropping everywhere... However, I noticed after they've been picked, there's some rot looking stuff at the bottom of the stem, is this normal? (Some of the pics show it more clearly than others).

I'm going to wash off the verms and throw them in a dehydrator. Please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong :smile: Thanks!



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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21756455 - 06/03/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think the "rot" you are refering to is just some substrate that tore up with it?
Or if a tub is contaminated (I know you said your tub had mold) sometimes where the trich touches the mushrooms the base of the stems can go soft IME.

I think youre fine. Next time harvest each mushroom when theyre readying instead of waiting, sometimes thst cap will flip up in just hours!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: mushpunx]
    #21756685 - 06/03/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I understand from what I've seen, sometimes bruising can be mistaken for contamination.  Photos of precisely what you are referring to may get someone who knows to confirm or dis confirm.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Jenn]
    #21760308 - 06/04/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, so I've harvested that big tray and it's been misted, put into the greenhouse again hoping a second flush will come. Those btw were Golden Teachers and they bruised very easily when handled. Now the other smaller trays are ready and they look pretty healthy, I'm harvesting three trays and noticed some blackish-greenish stuff in the myc, I'm not sure if it's trich but please help me out here, I've circled them in red. The other pics are just to show the nice flushes I got out of one of the trays :smile: Btw, these are B+ and they hardly bruised when handled. Thanks for all the feedbacks! I'm still learning as this whole batch was a first time experience. (Surprisingly I never had any issues with everything up until birthing the cakes. I did 30 jars and 29 were okay, 1 never grew, but nothing bad came out from it either, I did PC'd it and threw the content of it out though just incase)

My 50/50+ also does not have any limestones which is why there are added coral shells (ratio is 1 verm : 1 peat : ~0.8 shells : 1 water) to balance the PH. (Unfortunately there's no access for limestones here) Seems like the myc doesn't mind it so I think it's working.

I'm so surprised how fast these B+ are growing though, they all came out in matter of 2 days or so.



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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21760319 - 06/04/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Those are some beautiful fruits dude :super:


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21760370 - 06/04/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Those are some beautiful fruits dude :super:




Thanks! Anyone know if the circled pictures are trich?

I'm now working on second batch, using rye grain instead or BRF. Upgraded from polyfil to heavy duty hardened felt (100% polyester) as filters covering the lid with 5 holes punctured. I think I found a fairly lazy way to keep contams out without using silicone, tapes covering holes, just the lid and the filters I made. Will see how they turn out though.

I'm still worried about the GH being too dry though even though there's a cool mist humidifier running in it, as well as a ultrasonic humidifier running on 30min ON / 2 hour OFF cycles. I hardly see any condensation on the walls of the GH. I think I need to go pick up a decent hygrometer just to be sure. Thanks for all the input guys!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21760985 - 06/04/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe the circled pictures could be bruised mycelium, it doesn't look like contamination. Did you touch the surface at all during the fruiting stage?

I remember on my last grow, I had an uncased surface layer with pooling in certain areas so I proceeded to lightly pat down those areas. It left a mark on the surface of the mycelium that looked distinctly different than the surrounding areas. I still has a great grow and had no problems with contamination, I wouldn't worry about it! :rockon:


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21761204 - 06/04/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My first grow had light fruits and bruising in the sub because I let it dry out too much and then misted too zealously. I also saw lots of bruising after picking mature fruit as I was a bit rough with some, and it was consistent with what you've shown here to my eye.

So, not a super experienced grower, but my first was a great success and this looks to be too by my estimation!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: kangarudeboy]
    #21785046 - 06/09/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Is this normal? There are big fat ones growing out of the same tub, I noticed this earlier but I figured it was the myc bruising as someone mentioned but they pinned and now it looks greenish/blackish with seeming myc covering the pin. Please help!! Thanks!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21791489 - 06/11/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Can someone please help with the above pictures? I'm debating whether to throw the tub away. Thanks!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21791963 - 06/11/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pick one, smell it, and if it smell like fresh mushrooms, you're probably in the clear. Could be bruising from dehydration, or could trichoderma


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #21792217 - 06/11/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That looks bad to me... Sorry pal.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21792640 - 06/11/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would chunk it at this point. 


And start another!!!  :thumbup:


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Jenn]
    #21792647 - 06/11/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not worth the risk if it is trich.  You had a good flush.  Just do it again with all the new knowledge you have.  Don't get too experimental.  Just master doing what you just did.  And you did good!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Jenn]
    #21792672 - 06/11/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Toss it outside. You might get something out of it after all.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Sksoul]
    #21795064 - 06/11/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies, I'm constantly reading as I'm still learning (long way to go), from the knowledge I gathered, it seems like aborts that are starting to mold? Could that be it? Thanks! I'll chuck it. I'm working on Rye Grain right now and from what it looks I can get MUCH larger yield as I can do G2G for 4 times and birth them all in tubs which the yield would probably be crazy. 1 Jar -> 10 Jars -> 100 Jars.

Now my question, is it possible to PC rye grain and dump them in a bed of colonized rye grain to increase yield(sounds like a lot less work than to colonized them in the jars first), or does that sound like contam heaven? Thanks for all the feedbacks! Oh, I'm just not comfortable with bulk sub as well as bulk sub is hard for me to have access to whereas organic rye grain is easily obtainable and doesn't look weird compare to having straws and coir and poo at home. Hope what I'm saying makes sense. Thanks!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21795369 - 06/11/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Aborts / small shrooms. Harvest them.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21835565 - 06/21/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So....A little update on my learning process... Everything went well with the previous tubs, but they eventually dried out... I did harvest a good amount from them but it was not what I expected sort of...

Now... second time... three rye jars inoculated with 10ml TC... on June 2nd, 19 days after... three monotubs started 18th, 19th, 20th... and a good amount of g2g that are waiting to be put into monotubs...

Thanks Shroomery and everyone here that helped! For all the beginners, take the time to read.

Oh... I think a good milestone I achieved was 0 contams so far, just need to wait and see if those jars will have contam though.

Just thought I'd post an update for all that's interested on how a noob's doing on this little project. Cheers!



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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21961648 - 07/18/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



So this is the first monotub, as you can see it has started fruiting, just wanted to see if anyone sees any problem with the tub. The picture is kind of cloudy because it was taken outside of the tub.

Also, when should I harvest? Should I harvest everything at once or harvest as they mature? Thank you so much for the input and help and suggestions!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21961663 - 07/18/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's screaming that it needs more fae. Loosen the top holes. They should be almost falling out. Oh wait what Is on your top holes? :S


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    #21961668 - 07/18/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

are your holes still taped up? what's covering the bottom holes?


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    #21961695 - 07/18/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



So the holes are covered with felt silicone glued on magnets. The top holes are covered with one piece and the bottom holes are covered with two pieces. As I've read, it's optimal to see condensation clear up in a straight line manner from the top holes, which is what it is doing now. Condensation as you can see from the bottom holes are not clearing up which I assume is good. There's a fan running 24/7 in the room blowing air AWAY from the tubs. Please help! Thanks!


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    #21961710 - 07/18/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Take off 1 of the top holes completely for now. I usually have 1 hole or both open myself and I live in a dry climate. Also condensation isn't really needed nor necessary. I got a few tubs that always seem to have no condensation. I just poke my hand in to see if I feel a difference in humidity (which I always do)


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21961736 - 07/18/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I'll give that a try, any other suggestions? I have numerous tubs going and they're all healthy as far as I can see so I just want to know how to fruit them properly... When should I harvest them? Thanks so much for the advise and suggestions!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21963415 - 07/19/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So...I notice some of the veils have broken... should I start harvesting them now or wait for the rest? The dilemma is majority of them are still in its baby stage (assumptions) and that they will all become much bigger, but I also don't want spores dropping all over them. Should I also try to get a second flush or better to chuck it and start a new one after first flush? Please help as I'm inexperienced with monotubs. Thank you for all the advise and suggestions!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21963724 - 07/19/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So...I notice some of the veils have broken... should I start harvesting them now or wait for the rest? The dilemma is majority of them are still in its baby stage (assumptions) and that they will all become much bigger, but I also don't want spores dropping all over them. Should I also try to get a second flush or better to chuck it and start a new one after first flush? Please help as I'm inexperienced with monotubs. Thank you for all the advise and suggestions!



Uneven flushes are very common, especially with MS.

I would carefully twist and pull out the mature mushrooms at the base of the stem, but be careful not to disturb the smaller mushrooms and don't damage the surface either.

Wait for the rest to finish maturing, then mist the surface heavily until soaking wet, but don't overdo it. Then fan it out for a couple of seconds. Re-adjust the polyfil if you'd like, and wait for a second flush!! :rockon:


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21984876 - 07/23/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



My first tub does not seem to look too healthy, even after removing the filter off one top hole. Does it still look like a FAE problem? I'm thinking of removing the second filter off the second top hole? Please help... thanks!


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    #21984889 - 07/23/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah major fae problem. Just get polyfil. I have never had that problem with poly


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21984896 - 07/23/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Holy shit that would have been an amazing pinset.

Yeah, you strangled them a little. I would harvest the black head ones (They're called aborts) and loosen the holes next time. Give that substrate a dunk.

Look up chiefs tribunal dunk tek.

Unless the black heads are just because of the pic but I see quite a few aborts in there. Your alternative is to let them all grow and then pick everything at once but up that FAE and give that tub a good mist.


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: taGyo]
    #21985017 - 07/23/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, I noticed some of the stems are bruising, is that okay to let them grow assuming it's just FAE issue or are they indication of rot/bacteria or something not good? Thanks!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21985106 - 07/23/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea it's a bummer that was my first mono and the tub wasn't dialed in right... Working to improvise now so my other tubs won't suffer... I'm going to give the felt magnets just a try once more and see if it improves... I really like the magnets as they are kind of a do-once and forget thing. Anyway heres what I did to improve. I removed both top holes and it's now completely opened and relying on the strong myc to fend off any harmfuls, plus the fan in the room is a filtered so any air blowing in the room should be nice and clean (hopefully). I then switched out all four bottom hole magnets with single layer felt instead of dual layer. Hopefully that will let them breath happily and grow! Thanks for all the help!


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Re: Is this healthy? (First time) [Re: jasony]
    #21985777 - 07/23/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bruising means it's not humid enough. They're drying out. Give them a decent mist and get some polyfill.


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