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Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life
#21736995 - 05/29/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-sentenced
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Ulbricht was convicted in February after a four-week trial on all seven counts, from selling narcotics and money laundering to maintaining an “ongoing criminal enterprise”, a charge usually reserved for mob kingpins. Prosecutors said that he had gone so far as to solicit six murders for hire, although chat logs cast doubt on whether Ulbricht had been the primary actor in the solicitations and none of the murders were carried out.
Scumbag murderer or social revolutionary?
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Webster10] 8
#21737030 - 05/29/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sad, I hate the worlds drug laws Justice system is backwards and fucked up
Most murderers would do less time than him
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: SunnyD]
#21737100 - 05/29/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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he was pretty cool up until he started trying to hire assassins to kill people.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Webster10]
#21737102 - 05/29/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: ModestMouse]
#21737124 - 05/29/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Meanwhile serial rapists and murderers will walk free in his lifetime. Seems fair 
Who knows, maybe he'll get pardoned in 20+ years when the drug laws are changed and there is no mandatory minimum.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: ModestMouse]
#21737132 - 05/29/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what kind of people was he trying to take out?
were they innocent people or gangsta killas too?
i don't have a problem with criminals take out other criminals.
i only care when an innocent is brought bodily harm.
i am very interested in organized crime and kingpins.
cocaine cowboys 1 2 and 3 are the greatest DOCs ever. i know this is a bit off topic...
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By definition we're most likely all criminals, every single person has broken the law at some point whether they know it or not. So basically you don't have a problem with any kind of murder. I know what you meant though, I'm just a fussy bitch haha
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haha yeah i gotchya i really meant murderers not criminals oops. murderers killing murderers is like, "oh well" hahaha
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The murder for hire charges are irrelevant as he wasn't sentenced for that. Those were only added on to sway public opinion and demonize him. He got life solely for starting and running the Marketplace.
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Trichome_Delta9


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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Magicman69]
#21737260 - 05/29/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sucks for that dude. its like a kingpin fail....
what kind of people was he trying to take out or has that not been released to the public?
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other silk road vendors and mods.
They say he's fucking retarded and paid like over 100k for fake assassinations.
I'm sure the murder for hire influenced the judge. Its one thing to say he's trying to help people and believes in freedom, its another to try to kill people to protect a business.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: teamkiller]
#21737291 - 05/29/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so he was just trying to take out people he thought was snitches? damn 
sooo was this guy just a big ole pussy or what?
kinda seems like it.... like a nerd who just had a great business idea and got skerd...
don't hate me i really don't know much about this dude.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Webster10]
#21737316 - 05/29/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder if it was worth it..
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Amanita86]
#21737321 - 05/29/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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he will find out around shower time hahahahahahahaagagagaajajajakakak
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: kakashi68]
#21737662 - 05/29/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to agree. was thinkin about being a smart ass and saying Nazi Germany but then I remembered the Indians(native Americans) hahaha we still call em Indians :P
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Webster10]
#21737676 - 05/29/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What he started cannot be stopped. There's dozens of markets operating today, there's new ones springing up, and people taking new countermeasures to avoid scams and hacks. The DNM's are snowballing larger and larger, and in a couple of years even the media won't be able to pretend that law enforcement won their crusade.
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No, he wasn't just trying to take out snitches. He was trying to take out people who were blackmailing him and threatening to release personal info on all the employees and some vendors. (i think i got that right)
read the whole transcript between ulbricht and the hell's angels crew he hired. but i think the hell's angels dude was actually the scam artist he was trying to kill (not sure. i can't find any solid info about that)
and yea, he actually paid $650,000 for 5 murders, but nobody actually died.
read the transcript here: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737716 - 05/29/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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HAHAH that's epic!!! MCs are the shit so I am on hells angels side on this fuck this dude.
I don't feel bad he got what he deserves im sure. PLAYED!
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Quote:
Trichome_Delta9 said: HAHAH that's epic!!! MCs are the shit so I am on hells angels side on this fuck this dude.
I don't feel bad he got what he deserves im sure. PLAYED!
i dont think there actually was a real hells angels though. i think it was all a bullshit story the scammer made up. i can't find any proof of that, but it's my gut feeling. read the transcript and see what you think. there's no way he's talking to a hells angels CEO.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737730 - 05/29/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So where'd all the money Ulbricht made go?
...uh huh.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Amanita86]
#21737737 - 05/29/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-government-tells-ross-ulbricht-he-owes-them-183961921
straight into the govt's pockets...
"The government noted that the pending civil forfeiture against Ulbricht, which includes the bitcoins found on his laptop at the time of his arrest, can be credited to the judgement. That includes 700,000 bitcoins, which were worth $13.4 million at the time of transactions but are worth $166,124,000 at current conversion rates."
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737746 - 05/29/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that's a bit confusing so he was just a delusional paranoid darknet dealer?
don't try and fuck with the hell angels you will get fucked back! :P haha
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737750 - 05/29/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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licence to steal. this government is corrupt as shit
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: rackem]
#21737756 - 05/29/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The govt is just a very powerful gang organization.
the most powerful actually.
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thats the truth right there
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A life sentence is way too harsh for selling drugs. Besides trying to kill people, if that is even true, he is a hero sort of. I hope they at least put him in a nice minimum security prison.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: that's a bit confusing so he was just a delusional paranoid darknet dealer?
don't try and fuck with the hell angels you will get fucked back! :P haha
Yea it's really confusing. Read that transcript. It's long but definitely worth the read. If it all was a giant scam, it sure was a good one and he fell for it HARD. It doesn't sound like he has any street smarts.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Lophosaurus]
#21737781 - 05/29/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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idk if its too harsh. unless he was like the best drug dealer ever (hahahahaha) made sure everything he sold was pure and not mixed with anything and made properly blah blah.
he didn't get a life sentence for trying to kill people or selling drugs. he got it because he was stupid.
it is darknet/silkroad i hear more bad then good about that place.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Magicman69]
#21737782 - 05/29/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: The murder for hire charges are irrelevant as he wasn't sentenced for that. Those were only added on to sway public opinion and demonize him. He got life solely for starting and running the Marketplace.
In that case, social revolutionary for sure.
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right he got caught up over stupidity. i admire his gusto though, even though he was over his head.
but the only drugs he ever sold was mushrooms to get started.. he was a manager, not a dealer... i think the kingpin charge is bogus
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If he got a life sentance for being stupid that would be even worse. He was one of the best drug dealers ever. Of course he made some really dumb mistakes, but he made a shit load of money and kind of changed the way drugs were sold for a while. I never used the silkroad but I've heard the drugs were really good quality.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Lophosaurus]
#21737805 - 05/29/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: If he got a life sentance for being stupid that would be even worse. He was one of the best drug dealers ever. Of course he made some really dumb mistakes, but he made a shit load of money and kind of changed the way drugs were sold for a while. I never used the silkroad but I've heard the drugs were really good quality.
"were"?
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Lophosaurus]
#21737812 - 05/29/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: If he got a life sentance for being stupid that would be even worse. He was one of the best drug dealers ever. Of course he made some really dumb mistakes, but he made a shit load of money and kind of changed the way drugs were sold for a while. I never used the silkroad but I've heard the drugs were really good quality.
I used it a ton and it was great. Never got burned. Had a few shipments of low quality goods, used the conflict resolution and got my money back out of escrow. Good luck with that at the crack spot.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: DieCommie]
#21737826 - 05/29/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did he or did he not try to take out 4-5 people? that's all i wanna know.
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WOW. I did not see that coming. He was a fucking asshole but killers get less than that.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: Did he or did he not try to take out 4-5 people? that's all i wanna know.
short answer: yes but they were imaginary people
longer answer: i believe the people he tried to kill didn't even exist in the first place. nobody can find any record of them alive or dead. he got conned into paying for some hits. he didn't go out looking for a hitman, it was a manufactured scenario by the conman.
read the transcript, it's worth reading
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737872 - 05/29/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh Damn motha fucka got PLAYED HARD!
That is a shitty sentence and a sad story.
i thought it was all his idea i didn't understand he got conned that sucks man, but that's what fuckin around on the darknet can get ya.
was that con part of law enforcement or anything or just some random dick/competitor? i could read the article but if its lengthy id rather not just to find out a few bits of info.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: Oh Damn motha fucka got PLAYED HARD!
That is a shitty sentence and a sad story.
i thought it was all his idea i didn't understand he got conned that sucks man, but that's what fuckin around on the darknet can get ya.
was that con part of law enforcement or anything or just some random dick/competitor? i could read the article but if its lengthy id rather not just to find out a few bits of info.
here's a shorter article for you lazy fucks 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/11/26/ross_william_ulbricht_redandwhite_did_the_alleged_silk_road_kingpin_lose.html
my money is on the hitman being a conman, not a fed.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737898 - 05/29/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that's a shitty ass con though getting the guy arrested... taking his money is one thing getting him arrested and this sentence is pretty fucked up...
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#21737907 - 05/29/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: WOW. I did not see that coming. He was a fucking asshole but killers get less than that.
It shouldn't be that surprising. The justice/vengeance system regularly hands out worse sentences for drugs than for violence.
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ross wasn't caught because of the conman
he was caught because he had poor operation security
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737925 - 05/29/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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explain the poor security thing?
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737934 - 05/29/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what about the guy who started craigslist? when is he going to trial for being americas no 1 pimp? or the people who started ebay for all the scams that have taken place there? and so on and so on....
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Trichome_Delta9 said: explain the poor security thing?
it's been a while since i looked into it but i guess he made the very first mention of "silk road" on the entire internet using his personal gmail address. they followed that handle to an internet cafe and went from there.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21737946 - 05/29/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so he took a risk for other people then? that's what i get from what you said he put all that info on his record and they traced all that drug dealing and hitman messages to him..?
im gonna read the article now im really interested.
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It's your classic Scarface, Studio 54 etc. scenario. Someone will come along and put their twist on his business model, then they'll get popped, and someone will come along and put their twist on that business model etc. etc, and the cycle will continue. The only difference is this guy being the "first", they're going to throw the book at him..
The fucked up thing is right now...right now.. he's sitting in cinderblocks.. I wonder what he's thinking about..what he's having for dinner etc.
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no... in the very beginning when he first launched his site, he wanted to get some exposure. so he logged onto a website and said "hey has anyone ever heard of this silk-road site? they have mushrooms for sale. are they any good?". but when signing up for the forum, he used his real gmail address. i guess he didn't expect silk road to be so big.
so, fbi searched around for the earliest mention of silk road and found his post. they spotted it as a cheesy attempt to market his online business (it's a common strategy in e-commerce). so, after investigating, they found his identity matched the profile of someone who would build a silk road site. for example, on his linked in page it mentioned something about bitcoin.
after that, they ambushed him in a library while he was on his laptop using tor. because he was logged in and the computer was on, the HD was not encrypted at the time, so fbi has complete access to EVERYTHING (including his chat history with the fake hitman, his accounting spreadsheets, etc).
hell of a story and there's a lot to learn there. fbi is clever. they can probably find anyone if they decide to put the resources towards it.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: Amanita86]
#21738024 - 05/29/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: The fucked up thing is right now...right now.. he's sitting in cinderblocks.. I wonder what he's thinking about..what he's having for dinner etc.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/silk_road_accused_becomes_yoga_teacher/
apparently he's teaching yoga to other inmates, teaching science and a bunch of other stuff. sounds like he won't have a problem doing the time. i would cry in a corner and starve myself to death
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21738038 - 05/29/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so the dude was a moron damn. a twist in every post haha.
and yes the fbi could find ANYONE and they DO have the resources its called tax dollaz
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: FriedEgg]
#21738218 - 05/29/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-government-tells-ross-ulbricht-he-owes-them-183961921
straight into the govt's pockets...
"The government noted that the pending civil forfeiture against Ulbricht, which includes the bitcoins found on his laptop at the time of his arrest, can be credited to the judgement. That includes 700,000 bitcoins, which were worth $13.4 million at the time of transactions but are worth $166,124,000 at current conversion rates."
Considering there can be only 24million bitcoins ever, having 700K of them is an amazing accomplishment... Thats like what 1/34 of all bitcoins? I wonder what the gov will do with those bitcoins, will they sell them back into the market for local currency, or just destroy it by deleting it. We can figure gov will not like bitcoin because it circumvents their fiat currency. It would be many gov interest to attack and destroy bitcoin.
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Re: Ross Ulbricht sentenced to life [Re: CaptainKurt]
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but remember that was back when 1 bitcoin was worth like $10.
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