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WhiteRabbit91
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Is Salvia worth doing?
#21736340 - 05/29/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have done Shrooms,acid,weed,and coke. Is Salvia fun? Ive heard some people say its alot more intense than acid or shrooms if you have the higher strength stuff. Also just seeing videos of people collapsing and unable to communicate on it is a little unnerving..
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If you can get DMT salvia isn't worth it IMO
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Short answer yes,with a if, long answer no with a but. Lol yeah it's going to be extremely intense, your probably not going to understand what's going on. I only did it the one time and most people I know only did it once. I would recommend trying it but have a sitter man, for real.
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If I could get DMT I wouldn't be doing anything else lol how illegal is salvia now? It's been awhile since I tried it
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Its legal here in California but in alot of other states its illegal now I think
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Salvia sucks IMO. It's not even a true psychedelic in my book. DMT is 1000x better and actually has real meaning.
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I tried it and hated it. Gave it away to a friend who said the same thing. I thought it was psychedelic, the walls and carpet were breathing and I saw patterns, but there was also a dizzy, uptight, bad quality to it. Luckily it wears off fast.
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I personally like salvia. I haven't smoked it in almost half a year because of it being illegal in my state, and my plants are growing..
But I think it has plenty to teach, just in a completely different way than other psychedelics. It doesn't tell you about you, it won't make you think about the problems. It'll just show you the plain dark truth. It shows new perspectives that people never have even considered.
But it is much more chaotic and intense then psychedelics usually. I was hearing people all across the world, all their families, and their problems. I came back to me, and their voices faded away. I was sad because I thought that if I didn't hear them, their existence would cease. I then felt the emotions of a book. It was different then psychedelics, yes, but I personally think it's worth it to try it out.
A lot of people hate it, but I honestly enjoy it. There are a few others who enjoy it too. But if you're gonna do it, don't be an idiot and go with a 20x extract. Start low as with any psychedelics. Plain leaf is the most forgiving IME, 5x will get you to trip easier than plain though. How many people would still do psychedelics if the first time they did it, they downed 7 grams of mushies?
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Sham87]
#21736969 - 05/29/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Worth doing once or twice to experience but def not something I'd keep doing. Short, fairly intense hit but leaves you with a headache. From my own personal experience anyway. I've gotten a ketamine/shroom-like trip off it. But for less than a minute. Much better alternatives out there.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: infected_2]
#21736989 - 05/29/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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infected_2 said: Worth doing once or twice to experience but def not something I'd keep doing. Short, fairly intense hit but leaves you with a headache. From my own personal experience anyway. I've gotten a ketamine/shroom-like trip off it. But for less than a minute. Much better alternatives out there.
I've never gotten a headache from salvia Actually when I get really bad headaches I'll smoke a threshold amount and my headache is gone instantly and stays gone.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21736993 - 05/29/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: A lot of people hate it, but I honestly enjoy it. There are a few others who enjoy it too. But if you're gonna do it, don't be an idiot and go with a 20x extract. Start low as with any psychedelics. Plain leaf is the most forgiving IME, 5x will get you to trip easier than plain though. How many people would still do psychedelics if the first time they did it, they downed 7 grams of mushies?
This very much Its been said that many of the people who try DMT dont want to do it again and i can understand that if you were to dive into high dose without experience With salvia being (semi)legal and high concentrates avaliable theres just a whole lot of people who dive into the deep end without even a general idea Since salvia is way more disturbing than tryptamines in general, its no wonder that you end up with so many horror stories, but the low doses of 10x i tried so far were manageable
Is it worth doing? if you like psychedelics it most definately is, just because its legal and douchbags use it to play around doesnt make it any less of an entheogen
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: thoraxx]
#21737029 - 05/29/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's seems all I can find around my area shops is the 60x purple shit. I would like to give salvia a shot once too but can't justify buying the concentrate
for a one time use. And I don't want to try that potent of shit for my first time.
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Salvia is insane, if you can find the xxx concetrate (purple) you will be amazed
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daytripper05 said: Salvia sucks IMO. It's not even a true psychedelic in my book. DMT is 1000x better and actually has real meaning.
I couldn't disagree more. Salvia is way more interesting than DMT, imo. DMT is just another classical psychedelic, yeah it is intense but it doesn't really do anything to you that a crazy dose of mushrooms can't do.
Salvia on the other hand is completely unique, do you not see the value in that? I agree it is not a psychedelic like DMT or mescaline, but that is what makes it so special. It is totally its own thing and it can take you places that you could never dream of reaching no matter how much DMT you smoke.
Oh and salvia is not recreational or euphoric like DMT, salvia is more for spiritual exploration than a good time. I know people will say DMT is spiritual and of course it totally is, but it is also ridiculouusly fun and euphoric. Salvia isn't.
And what do you mean by "DMT has real meaning"?
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Deviate]
#21737674 - 05/29/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia>DMT in high dosages. By far! Talking to a guy who only has been on about 20 salvia trips (some not that intense at all as I used a range from 1x, plain leaf, to 80x extract)
DMT over 100 times.
Salvia is by far more intense. I personally find it more "spiritual" than dmt for I've actually encountered spirit guides on salvia who said they are my "reality genies" and how everytime I have a thought, they try to synchronize that thought with my reality for building my character in this human life interaction thing.
Another where I was multi-dimensionally seeing the same scene occuring 5 different ways simultaneously, and in this state I coudl CHOOSE which possible reality I would go to.
Salvia is awesome I wish I had some it's illegal in my state and no one grows.
I would seriously love salvia its my favorite.
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Try it. Lying on the couch for ten minutes while you turn into a fractal pattern is not really fun in the same way as weed or shrooms but an interesting experience none the less.
Just have a sitter or do it in a non flammable area so you don't start a fire by dropping the cherry on the couch or something. You take it in two big hits held for about 30 seconds and once you are exhaling the second you will not be in any shape to deal with fire or fragile glassware.
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Use a torch lighter, the hotter you burn it the more potent the hit.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21737875 - 05/29/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: How many people would still do psychedelics if the first time they did it, they downed 7 grams of mushies?
Ironically, my first trip on any psychedelic was 7g of mushrooms. I was convinced they weren't giving me any effect and had to be weak, so we ate the entire half oz between 2 people. Wouldn't take that trip back for the world and was a great introduction into psychedelics.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Deviate]
#21737935 - 05/29/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Salvia on the other hand is completely unique, do you not see the value in that?
Just because something is unique doesn't give it value to me. I've done it quite a bit and never did I get any insight, revelations, out of body experiences, encounters with entities, no sacred geometry.
One time I had a decent experience with Salvia. Literally on one time out of many was the experience worth remembering. That experience was I listening to the Dark Start Europe 72 from the Grateful Dead. It literally took me back into the concert for a brief moment in time. But the strange part, I wasn't human. It was like I was observing the concert as if I was a fly that couldn't really comprehend music.
Compare that same 45 minutes of music experienced on DMT it was worlds apart. I vaporized 60mg of crystal during this time and it was orgasmic. I connected with everything and felt the fabric of the universe. The music was producing incredible auditory hallucinations. Like hearing every vibration through the music. I could feel, see, and almost taste everything. I had more than just 5 senses. DMT opens my completely senses, salvia disorients them.
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Deviate said: And what do you mean by "DMT has real meaning"?
What meaning one finds in anything is subjective. For me, meaning in a psychedelic experience is the value I can associate with the experience when re-assimilating it back into my daily life. Salvia had no assimilation and place in my life because it brought back nothing meaningful. All the psychedelics literally give me knowledge and feelings I didn't previously posses. Salvia literally was a completely neutral experience for me. Aside from that one time, nothing was even memorable. I experimented with plain leaf and various strength extracts and it all sucked.
I met this really weird dude one time that was doing salvia in the middle of the crowds at a music festival. We were all smoking weed and doing proper psychedelics for the occasion and here this dude is trying to tell me all about salvia asking me if I wanted to hit it. Lol, now that was a weird experience.
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That's unfortunate. Maybe it's just not for you. I refer to my first experience with salvia as my baptism. Completely life changing. A 360 degree renewal. I could talk for days about the things I was shown and taught by very live spirits, eye to eye. I still can hardly believe what that little unassuming plant is here to do for us.. just speachless man..
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Amanita86]
#21738088 - 05/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: That's unfortunate. Maybe it's just not for you. I refer to my first experience with salvia as my baptism. Completely life changing. A 360 degree renewal. I could talk for days about the things I was shown and taught by very live spirits, eye to eye. I still can hardly believe what that little unassuming plant is here to do for us.. just speachless man..
what did you start with?
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Amanita86]
#21738091 - 05/29/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plain leaf, and then gradually stepped it up to extracts. I knew a guy who grew and made extracted doses for me so Im not real familiar with store bought salvia.
Plain leaf was great, real dream like. The extracts were a little more chaotic but you could "dismantle" reality more effectively. The plain leaf you could enter into different 'dimensions' but language etc. still held meaning. The extracts just threw all that out the window..
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Deviate said: Salvia on the other hand is completely unique, do you not see the value in that?
Just because something is unique doesn't give it value to me. I've done it quite a bit and never did I get any insight, revelations, out of body experiences, encounters with entities, no sacred geometry.
One time I had a decent experience with Salvia. Literally on one time out of many was the experience worth remembering. That experience was I listening to the Dark Start Europe 72 from the Grateful Dead. It literally took me back into the concert for a brief moment in time. But the strange part, I wasn't human. It was like I was observing the concert as if I was a fly that couldn't really comprehend music.
Compare that same 45 minutes of music experienced on DMT it was worlds apart. I vaporized 60mg of crystal during this time and it was orgasmic. I connected with everything and felt the fabric of the universe. The music was producing incredible auditory hallucinations. Like hearing every vibration through the music. I could feel, see, and almost taste everything. I had more than just 5 senses. DMT opens my completely senses, salvia disorients them.
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Deviate said: And what do you mean by "DMT has real meaning"?
What meaning one finds in anything is subjective. For me, meaning in a psychedelic experience is the value I can associate with the experience when re-assimilating it back into my daily life. Salvia had no assimilation and place in my life because it brought back nothing meaningful. All the psychedelics literally give me knowledge and feelings I didn't previously posses. Salvia literally was a completely neutral experience for me. Aside from that one time, nothing was even memorable. I experimented with plain leaf and various strength extracts and it all sucked.
I met this really weird dude one time that was doing salvia in the middle of the crowds at a music festival. We were all smoking weed and doing proper psychedelics for the occasion and here this dude is trying to tell me all about salvia asking me if I wanted to hit it. Lol, now that was a weird experience.
Ok fair enough, but I think you are unusual. Did you try hard to breakthrough?
On salvia I died and went to another dimension where I was merely the light of my soul's consciousness, I encountered enormous entities that did not resemble human beings or any known lifeform in any way, I saw the wheel or karma, understood that my entire life took place within my own consciousness just like a dream (which at the time I thought was some sort of government conspiracy, lol), experienced the stoppage of time and life in a 2-dimensional reality.
Now, LSD, DMT, even high doses of IM ketamine, have never done anything even remotely like that for me. Unfortunately at the time I was too young and not spiritual enough to understand or appreciate the experience very much and it was so intense, ridiculous and far and away beyond this world that I was afraid to explore it further. I would love to have some salvia now to experiment with, but alas it has been banned in my state.
I am trying to get someone to mail me some or find an off-shore distributor to get some to me. What an amazing little plant.
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daytripper05 said: Salvia sucks IMO. It's not even a true psychedelic in my book. DMT is 1000x better and actually has real meaning.
I disagree.
Salvia can be very meaningful, but yes it's not a traditional or pure psychedelic (it's also a dissociative, and is very potent).
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It's seems all I can find around my area shops is the 60x purple shit. I would like to give salvia a shot once too but can't justify buying the concentrate
for a one time use. And I don't want to try that potent of shit for my first time.
Actually, the purple sticky salvia is quite weak, despite their claims. I had 5x that was better than 20x purple sticky (commercial brands like Purple are exposed to hot conditions that diminish potency).
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: mikeisapro]
#21739189 - 05/29/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE ILLEGAL ALMOST EVERYWHERE NOW i never got to try it
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I know that feeling man...
On the brightside, In texas the plants themselves are legal, just not when the leaves are dried. I grow my own salvia.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21739411 - 05/30/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Waiiiiiit a second...... does this mean i can buy the plant at a flowe shop or something like that?
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You might be able to but since they are pretty rare it'd be hard to find. I know from experience you can order them online and get cuttings shipped to you.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21739427 - 05/30/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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want to point in me in the right direction to go?
what is a reasonable price for seeds and trimmings.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21739437 - 05/30/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good shit!
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I tried it a few times when I was in high school...10x I don't remember the brand...we'd load a bowl in the bong clear it with one hit and hold your hit as long as possible... shit was chaotic...we were under a bridge by the Mojave river that had railroad tracks that ran parallel to it, a train started to go by as I hit my bowl... the repetitive similar rail cars going by freaked me out, along with the repetitive sound I thought the world was skipping like a cd... lol, it's definitely different.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: LocN9ne]
#21739735 - 05/30/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dumb question, was mushrooms worth doing? Enough said.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: LocN9ne]
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Thats weird you say that. Down at the river I frequent on the opposite side railroad tracks run along the bank.. everytime a train goes past I get the craziest salvia 'flashbacks'.. something about it going from left to right, and all the cars... weirdly salviaish.
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Yes salvia is completely worth doing but you cant use it the same way you use other drugs, do a lot of research before you try it yourself
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I have plain leaf divinorum straight from oaxaca. Very light. Never tripped too hard. Heard beautiful vocal melodies
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It's worth trying just for the hell of it but I really really don't enjoy it
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First time I tryed salvia I smoked 20X in my bong...it was awsome....like an hour after I smoked it again...ive smoked it probly a few hundred times over the years....its worth doing whenever possable....you come down so quick...even if shit goes wrong you get delivered back to reality instantaniously. You realy have to do a bunch of doses in a row to learn from the experiance the same way you might from other psycadelics IMO
.ive only successfully lifted off with leaves once. I had to smoke bowl after bowl furiously for like a minute or two.....was a waste of effort...extract is better and is definetly worth trying....just make sure you put your big boy pants on that day. Cuz it will take you so far out that you very well might hate the journey....the 2 -15 minutes youl be trippin will go by very quick and you will probly sweat alot....and alllllllllll sorts of psycotic shit will unfold....you might not even remember it once you "wake up". People who have bad experiances just underestimate the plant. There is nothing that compares.
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quazerjunkie420 said: First time I tryed salvia I smoked 20X in my bong...it was awsome....like an hour after I smoked it again...ive smoked it probly a few hundred times over the years....its worth doing whenever possable....you come down so quick...even if shit goes wrong you get delivered back to reality instantaniously. You realy have to do a bunch of doses in a row to learn from the experiance the same way you might from other psycadelics IMO
.ive only successfully lifted off with leaves once. I had to smoke bowl after bowl furiously for like a minute or two.....was a waste of effort...extract is better and is definetly worth trying....just make sure you put your big boy pants on that day. Cuz it will take you so far out that you very well might hate the journey....the 2 -15 minutes youl be trippin will go by very quick and you will probpy sweat alot....and alllllllllll sorts of psycotic shit will unfold....you might not even remember it once you "wake up". People who have bad experiances just underestimate the experiance. There is nothing that compares.
uhhhh almost every other psychedelic blows salvia out of the water. How are you going to say salvia beats LSD or psilocybin
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I didnt say it was better or worse...just said nothin compares....honestly tho....I do think its the most convenient trip....because of its duration. This makes it a practical choice if theres not tons of time to devote to the experiance...
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You have to go gravity bong with straight leaf..
Its funny the sweating thing.. i have this thing where it makes me want to drool, my mouth waters.. and the the fabrics of reality tear away from my skin which hurts sometimes.. and then the ticking starts...*tick,tick,tick,..*
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Amanita86]
#21741406 - 05/30/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have any of you ever seen the little people? They come out of your peripheral..
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quazerjunkie420 said: I didnt say it was better or worse...just said nothin compares....honestly tho....I do think its the most convenient trip....because of its duration. This makes it a practical choice if theres not tons of time to devote to the experiance...
Nothing compares at all not even close, its unlike any psychedelic. Personally I dont even consider it to be a psychedelic.
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WhiteRabbit91 said:Is Salvia fun?
Salvia Divinorum is the most potent and intense drug I've ever experimented with. When I was eighteen I was on a k2 kick for awhile. A good friend (C) and I finished off a bag of k2 from a local liquor store and while we were beginning to come down from the effects of the k2 slightly an old buddy (G) sent me a txt. G asked if me and my friends wanted to come by and try Salvia because our other friend's (J) parents had a huge stash from when it was still legal in our state. Me and my k2-buddy C hit up our other friends (T & A) and we all got together then went over to my G's place. When we arrived G greeted us and lead us into his room (the garage). I had heard about Salvia, but only that it was a hallucinogen. I hadn't read much more into it, but my friend T told me about it from his past experiences, but he wouldn't do it with his girlfriend A there with us (he did later though!). While we were getting prepared to do it, G was explaining his experience with Sally and that he found himself awaking in a dark room seeing himself infront of him, tearing each of his own limbs of and the other him would laugh as he did this. I was even more intrigued to see what the effects were going to be like. G & J recommended that me and C try the 40x, as it will guarantee us to feel the effects from one pipe full per both of us. We said why the hell not, and proceeded. J packed the pipe for C, full to the top of the wooden Gandalf-looking pipe and handed it to C; G & J told C to rip the Salvia until it was cached and then hold it in and count to about fourteen, C ripped the pipe clean, passed the pipe back to J and we all watched C for a moment while J began packing the pipe full for me. I watched C, sitting directly infront of him (I was on a couch that was leaned back, and C was in a wooden chair infront of me), and within about 7 second his eyes were pure black and his mouth was wide open. He began to reach underneath his legs and look around in awe/amazement it seemed but with little expression at the same time. G passed the Gandalf-looking pipe to me, I knew it was going to have some worthy effects from what I was told by T & G & J; Then seeing C - By this point C was trying to stand up, as I was holding the pipe about to hit it. C stood up fully, wobbling all around as he attempted to walk. It was at this point as he attempted to walk and fell out to door to the garage that I hit the pipe and ended up wussing out for a second. I took a bitch-hit at first, put the pipe down for a few seconds and held the bitch-hit in. It tasted.. Hard to describe... But within about three seconds the effects were pulsing all over my body. The body high, to best describe it, feels like trillions upon trillions of tiny needles poking into your skin from everywhere, and it only gets more and more intense. Then I decided to rip the pipe clean at that point around 5 seconds after the bitch-hit, I ripped it quickly as I was already feeling it immensely. After ripping it, G grabbed the pipe from me. I sat there, and looked around. The body high body more and more and more intense by the halves of seconds. My visual field, from how I vividly recall it looked like a desert plain - Very stretched out and long. I recall looking at J & G helping C who had fallen and was laying on the grass on the side of G's house, they looked like aliens of some sort. I looked at my friend T and his girlfriend A; T looked like his face was tomato-red, and in reality he was laughing but to me he was laughing in a fucked up way that seemed wickedly crazy. His girlfriend A looked like an elephant, with a trunk and I just don't even know how to explain it in words. It was all craziness; But awesome. I remember the beginning vividly, which was maybe about 10-30 seconds. For about six minutes I'm out, like when you sleep and wakeup but remember no dreams at all - It's as if you just laid down, shut your eyes, and then opened them. Just blackness - Nothing remembered. A blank spot, essentially - Or a "blackout". That's how I remember those 6 or so moments; But get this, while I was in this blank spot I was tripping hard. My eyes were pure black, of course, and I was simply sitting on the couch in that same spot, didn't move, did't say anything, nothing. Just looked around at the surroundings, and people. T & A detailedly filled me and C in later on the experience which is how I know that part. The most fucked part to me was when I was in this "blank space" for about six minutes, while yes wide awake with eyes-wide-open (yeah, tripping HARD), I at some point did do one thing - I got up from the couch I was sitting on and moved to the wooden chair C was originally sitting on before he first hit the pipe of Salvia extract. Keep in mind, I was basically dreaming with eyes open and fully awake, I didn't remember moving to this seat or any of those six moments. I came back after those six moments and was sitting in that chair, everything was a bit hazy but I remembered where I was and saw my friends and all, at this point C was back in the garage sitting on the couch where I was sitting. I realized this, and realized I was in the wooden seat he was sitting in but he was where I was and I also realized I didn't recall ever getting up and moving to sit there. Then it kinda smacked me that something didn't feel right, up until then I had no hallucinations - everything seemed clear just a bit off. My friends were talking to me, but their faces started to grow and stretch and warp and change into creatures, at the same time their tones would have a lot of echo/delay sounds to them and be laughing and looking menacingly at me and saying evil things they weren't saying in reality. After about forty seconds or so (from how it seemed to me time-wise atleast), this ended instantly and everything that was all floating around, stetching and warping and all in the garage just kinda "reversed" (if you will) back into-place. This experience was amazing, it took me a good damn minute to process what the fuck had just happened. C looked dazed and in a stated of confusion as well. I immediately lit a cigarette when I realized that I was back in reality and cigarettes exist and I can smoke them. That was my first time with the Sage Goddess, and I've met her about 12 times sense then. Unfortunately that dried up years ago and it's likely living where I live I'll never see her again until I move to "Utopia The Land Of All Legal Substances" one day (if such a place ever one-day exists - as it should). I do recommend a Salvia experience, it is very interesting. But keep the dose low, if you want to experiment with it without totally being warped into another 10 billion dimensions per second, start with the dried leaves instead of the extract, or a low concentration of the extract like 5x/10x. This is the best way for beginners, in my opinion, unless you think you got the balls to go 20x+ like I did. Keep in mind, set and setting, we should all know this. Respect the plant, do it somewhere you are comfortable. Maybe play some music you enjoy, lay down, close your eyes. Don't do it near somewhere you could potentially drown, or fall, or get hurt in potentially any way severely. Think about having a sober sitter with this one who is experienced and not a fucking tard. If you use a sitter, make DAMN WELL sure they're educated (as with anything) on the drug you're using or type of chemicals it's effects are produced by. https://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml Have them read that ^ Especially the effects section of the vault. It doesn't last but about 5-15 minutes when smoked. But you don't want no idiot thinking you're a vegetable or some retarded shit when you'll be perfectly fine in fifteen minutes, then they go call 911 or some bullshit because they're an idiot.
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Lying on the couch for ten minutes while you turn into a fractal pattern is not really fun in the same way as weed or shrooms but an interesting experience none the less
I love that experience 
Salvia rocks in larger concentrations but its something you have to learn to use and enjoy. After enough experence you dont drool, you can talk, walk, and toke while tripping on it, and you dont feel as disassociated.
I have seen first timers piss themselves, run around thinking they were flying, and one guy thought he was a zipper while sitting in an ab lounge exercise chair taking bong rips 
Salvia is great but the nasty, sweaty body high sucks so much. If it wasn't for the uncomfortable feeling after tripping i would smoke 80X all day every day.
Take breaks every 2 to 4 days if you do binge on concentrate. It can fuck with your head some
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21745546 - 05/31/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lying on the couch for ten minutes while you turn into a fractal pattern is not really fun in the same way as weed or shrooms but an interesting experience none the less
I love that experience  After enough experence you dont drool, you can talk, walk, and toke while tripping on it, and you dont feel dissociated
Bullshit..I dont know what youve been smoking but there is no walking and talking when you submit to salvia...it just doesnt work that way.. maybe on some headshop shit, I really dont know, but when you hit the source you're gone.. as in, not "here"..
And for me that tendency to have your mouth water has been a constant from day one..mushmouth astounded giggle.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Amanita86]
#21746266 - 05/31/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah...there is definitely no walking or talking involved... when you start to come back to being a human lol, you'll try to talk to whoever is around like they were part of your trip but it will just be gibberish...lol Salvia is a trip that's for sure.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: LocN9ne] 1
#21746901 - 06/01/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once you get used to having impaired vision from fractionals and wierd hallucinations its not that hard to function on salvia. For example, sometimes you cant even see the pipe but you can feel for it and blindy hit it. Say its hard to walk because the ground is moving and unstable, remember where you were sitting and slowly stand up with your knees slightly bent then shuffle very slowly. With talking to people as long as you focus on pronunciation its not impossible to small talk or describe the trip.
I have smoked my fair share of concentrates in the range of 80 to 120 times the potency of a wasson variety with a visual threshold dose of 2g of leaves, a 0.25g bowl of the extract is about 10 to 15 times the dose required to start hallucinating. Im venturing into growing it now and im even mailing a potted plant to a fellow shroomerite in about a week, so i know my salvia and I disagree with your bullshit
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21746944 - 06/01/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find Salvia really interesting. I wouldn't compare it with any of the classic Psychedelics, as the effects are totally different. When smoked - which I've only done 2 or 3 times - the effects are sudden and intense. I don't get a lot out of the experience that it brings. However, when taken as a tincture (held in the mouth for 20 minutes), it comes on smoothly, and lasts for about an hour. The thing I really like about doing it that way is that I can be in the grip of multidimensional synesthesia, usually accompanied by a Beethoven symphony with an eye mask on, and if I really need to get up and walk around, go to the toilet or whatever, the effects fade a bit - and then, upon lying down and slipping the shades back on, it all comes back in a couple of minutes. Not something I do very often but - interesting.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21747077 - 06/01/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: Once you get used to having impaired vision from fractionals and wierd hallucinations its not that hard to function on salvia. For example, sometimes you cant even see the pipe but you can feel for it and blindy hit it. Say its hard to walk because the ground is moving and unstable, remember where you were sitting and slowly stand up with your knees slightly bent then shuffle very slowly. With talking to people as long as you focus on pronunciation its not impossible to small talk or describe the trip.
I have smoked my fair share of concentrates in the range of 80 to 120 times the potency of a wasson variety with a visual threshold dose of 2g of leaves, a 0.25g bowl of the extract is about 10 to 15 times the dose required to start hallucinating. Im venturing into growing it now and im even mailing a potted plant to a fellow shroomerite in about a week, so i know my salvia and I disagree with your bullshit 
You keep talking like you dont leave your body. You have a very newspaper way of explaining this trip... Im of the mind to think you really have no real experience with this plant..
Are you even familiar with what you profess? Cuzz....
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Amanita86]
#21747092 - 06/01/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you can get me salvia PM me.
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That's not how it works..
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Amanita86]
#21747244 - 06/01/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know but that's how it should be.
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I've smoked threshold or slightly above threshold and been able to walk around. But no way in hell would I be able to walk around when gravity becomes oriented with my own head, and the world melts away.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21748502 - 06/01/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is one of my favorites,at one point I did it everyday for 2 weeks and I got to build a relationship with this substance. My first trip involved my the room I was in fading completely away and underneath the reality I was in was a whole new world filled with orange beings grinding the gears to my life. They looked surprised that I could see them and pretty much forced me out the realm and I was just shaking. I think it is one of the most amazing things anyone can go through.
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Anyone ever done salvia with an maoi? Salvia-changa?
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Salvia is a terpenoid, like marijuana. So it isn't increased by maois. But it does have a reverse tolerance effect.
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about as worth it as whip-its, poppers, et. al.
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I think it's much more worth it than nitrous.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Achillita]
#21751146 - 06/02/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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Its only worth it if you take the biggest hit possible. I swear I have visited past lives or other dimensions on salvia.
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I do know people who like it (never did much for me, a few weird and interesting but not particularly fun experiences and a lot of duds with little effect), or at least are glad they tried it... Its effects are very unpredictable but common ones include weird, hard to describe body sensations (a popular analogy I've heard is that it feels like sections/segments/slivers of your body or a part of it seeming to move or rotate in different directions), visuals ranging from the room in front of you breaking down to complex geometric shapes all the way to full blown out of body experiences and entity contact. It often borders on, or dives right into the weird, the horrifying, the delirious - more like a creepy dream bordering on nightmare than a psychedelic trip in many ways. If you're the type who finds any new altered state inherently fascinating and needs a good reason not to try it, or if any of that sounds appealing to you, give it a shot. Otherwise, pass.
Unless you can get fresh leaves and want to try a traditional oral quid instead of smoking, get an extract for sure. You are supposed to hold a hot (preferably torch lighter) flame directly on the leaf the whole time you pull and hold the (hotter than pot or tobacco) smoke in for 20-30 seconds each hit, and many people need a couple hits even of strong extract, so smoking the non-extract leaf is generally not worthwhile.
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Just tried it for the first time yesterday and last night and its definitely worth it. Its some entirely wacky intense shit. I got unzipped and unthreaded along with the rest of existence. Idk i still cant make sense or even explain what happened to me or what i was seeing.
But if you like wacky, youll like salvia.
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Re: Is Salvia worth doing? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21757431 - 06/03/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: i know my salvia and I disagree with your bullshit 
Amen, I agree. I believe this is definitely worth doing. That and it isn't harmful to you if used with common sense.
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