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chrismcq



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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: kiksen]
#21760874 - 06/04/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the fast Reply Mad Season .. That's a shame. I would not expect the cake to be contaminated before first flush.. The cake collonised very well and i left it a week before birth.
I have isolated the cake and quickly made a small bucket sgfc to keep it in. I have put it in a separate room and will keep a close eye on it. I don't think the temperatures in the uk will do them any good outside. Its my first grow and possible contamination so i will keep it away from the rest and 'study' the contam so i may spot one sooner next time I can see many similarities to what you have suggested. spot on I Hope its not spread..
Best of luck kiksen!! Looking forward to see your progress
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21760919 - 06/04/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds good just for next time, it was because the mycelium was weak that it took hold in the first place. Mycelium that's CLEANLY colonized its substrate can take on contaminations like it's nothing.
Review your procedure, even the inoculant itself. If you put it on agar, you'd be able to have a clean inoculant because you can cut out clean wedges
Sponsor syringes are meant for microscopy purposes so it's bound to have a little more than spores in them, since they came from open air caps. For next time you shouldn't say where you got them.
I'd edit it out. It's covering their asses and yours
Edited by Mad Season (06/04/15 09:45 AM)
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chrismcq



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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#21761127 - 06/04/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, Thankyou for the useful information and edit. 'll keep trying and may move on to agar on a later date . I really expected a sterile and clean product from a well known sponsor, even if used with a microscope it should be clean right? .. Maybe I just got 'unlucky' on this occasion.. . It colonised as a good steady pace and remained pure white for around a week in to fruiting. Makes me think the fruiting chamber is dirty or something but i made sure to clean it out and my house / room is pretty clean. my other cakes seem unharmed for now but bruised as they have been dunked and picked recently.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21761143 - 06/04/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's impossible to make it sterile, sponsor or not. They fruit in open air. The print probably came from a place with mycogone around. It's pretty common actually. Quite aggressive.
On a side note I've never cleaned a chamber before. I get lots of contaminated subs after a few flushes in it. I've never once blamed contaminations on my environment. It's always a procedure problem. It's the hardest part making it clean before birthing. Don't take offense. It's an ongoing learning process.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#21761338 - 06/04/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The cake was fine during colonisation, strong mycelium growth. A few days after putting inside my fruiting chamber the contamination happened. Maybe the tap water or vermiculite I used had some contaminants present ? Could the contaminant be present from date of inoculation to fruiting times (like a month) and be hidden all that time? I Keep my jars inside an airing cubard and its difficult to clean and its certainly not spotless, maybe this is one of the issues? I keep micropore tape over the inclination holes for around a week or until 3/4 colonised as an extra precaution. will I be able to use the syringes without using agar ?
I don't take offence, Im happy to learn and improve Thanks for the reply.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21761420 - 06/04/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's a pure white contamination so it's hard to say. I ALWAYS start with agar, that way I'm not guessing. Ever since I did I haven't seen a contamination for awhile. If you wanted to make syringes, do Liquid Inoculant tek with agar.
As long as you have a dry layer of verm it'd be good. Tape or no tape. Make it have a filter and all that could get in is, stuff that survived the sterilization and the stuff in the syringe.
Realistically agars easier than the pf tek. For every 100 ml of water you need 2g of agar agar and 2g of dry malt extract. Mixed and boiled thoroughly, and pressure cooked for sterilization. Can be poured into sterile dishes or no pour teks like pasty plates.
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chrismcq



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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#21761764 - 06/04/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I Need a lab / flow hood ideally ... Agar would be difficult for me as it would cost a fair amount to set everything up and i don't have the room. I have invested around £130 ($200) so far and have not seen any good results (4 gram dry).. I have purchased a dehydrator recently too.. I May not even enjoy the experiance of magic mushrooms. (i do enjoy growing them though ). Everything is expensive in UK, My jars came from america as i wanted top quality 
I am moving on to a monotub grow and would like to get a good harvest. I have the rye grains, coir, gypsum and vermiculite colonising and will pray the myc is strong enough to hold off any infection. checked yesterday and its white , did not get a great look though as its 6 days in.
Thank you for the guidance! One day i will move to agar but not yet.. the recipe is simple but some tek's look very difficult and its all about sterile conditions. + more investment.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21761777 - 06/04/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't use flow hoods and they're inferior for agar/print work. Get a still air box. 100+ qt clear tub like you'd use for monotubs. It costs 10-20$ and all you need is that and a coffee can.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#21762297 - 06/04/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay Thanks. I have thrown away the Mycogone perniciosa diseased cake just in case, i don't want it contaminating my entire house :L plus i would not eat any fruits if it produced some. Not a great deal is known about this contamination so I would rather not risk it. Poor malabar mushrooms 
Would u suspect all my cakes will be infected now ? Its a small fruiting chamber and i would not be surprised if all of them need to be thrown out.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21779972 - 06/08/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cakes are still producing mushrooms and pinning nicely Harvested / Dried around 10 gram so far and they are very potent, I took 2g dried Z-strain and it certainly had an effect. I thrown away my malabar cake as i was conserned with early signs of contamination (proberly spread from the cake next to it) I seem to have mygone perniciosa ( wet bubbles ) at bay for now..
I have purchased some petri dishes and will be experimenting with agar.. Like you said this should produce a healthier mycelium and it will allow me to eliminate any contaminants in the syringes. My first monotub is near full colonisation and i'll update with pics when I can .
3 quart rye grain spawn(+Gypsum) 1/2 coir brick / 3 cups vermiculite.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21791977 - 06/11/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Peuto Rican - Beautiful looking mushrooms, Took a lot longer to pin than the Z-strain. I Will be getting a spore print from the larger one when its mature 


Here's a pic of my first monotub and a bucket with spawn / sub..
 I over estimated the size of my tub and had too much substrate / grains so used the bucket as an 'extra'.. The bucket has NO air or very little due to the tub on top of it, i don't have the space for them next to eachother so it will have to do.
I'm focused on the monotub, if the bucket fails, it fails
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21796235 - 06/12/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have took my monotub out of colonisation and have moved to fruiting conditions but have some concerns about it..
Its a mix of Gypsum / Coir / Verm / Rye. MS Solution B+ / Damion5050 Bucket Tek



The Monotub took 2 weeks to colonise and I Layered the top with coir/verm to cover the grains and this slowed colonisation time a lot, I Believe this method is outdated but at the time I did not know. I Had to drill new holes as I overfilled the tub :/
I see a little yellowing on the mycelium.. Mainly in the top right corner. Could this be Yellow Mold or Metabolites ? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21797122 - 06/12/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great work bud , you are learning well ;-)
I love seeing people succeed and im glad you are getting such a beautiful flush out of your cakes. I hope that tub does just as well
That fluid is nothing to be concerned about unless it ends up smelling rotten or sour. It happens alot in spawning with grain and mature mycellium. Im really not sure if this shows the mycellium is interacting with good bacteria or bacteria at all but it seems to present itself more when I used to spawn with grain.
I reverted back to using cakes for spawn after taking a break from myco.so it hasnt presented itself in awhile. I need a pressure cooker once again...
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21797623 - 06/12/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking good there. Well done
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: Micofun]
#21798609 - 06/12/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the kind words  I have learned that putting in the time to research is the most important thing to start with, I would have to be a genius to figure out how to grow shrooms without the internet and this forums, Its a vital resource ! 
I'll keep you updated with pictures and hope to see pins soon! 
I made some shroom chocolates today by melting some chocolate and putting it in to chocolate moulds with 2 gram of mushroom powder in each bar. Should make eating them much more enjoyable. 
I will be moving on to agar soon, I just need to make my still air box :P
FIRST TRIP REPORT -
My first trip was not good.. I tried 2 gram Z-strain but had a bad trip, Nothing too bad - in fact it was very good to start with, uncontrollable laughter for the first 30 mins but I felt like the room was getting darker the longer I sat in there, The feeling of a slight darkness around.. The atmosphere was tense as my brother can be a dick and I did not tell him I had some, I guess the tension and anxiety of him being there fucked up my vibe.. The room seemed to be a dull yellow at times but no hallucinations, just a mind fuck - At one point I has a moment of total Euphoria it could be described, Someone asked me if I was ok and my mind turned totally blank, Its hard to describe but it was very intense.. When i was back in the room maybe 5 seconds later I felt like I was on a game show getting stitched up, what the fuck? :L Very Strange and the most confusing experience iv'e had in my life.. Kept looking at the time to see how long its been until I took the mushrooms, It was over before I knew it.. ( Maybe 4 - 5 hours ) its an experience I wont forget - I was in control but I could not function nearly as fast or efficiently. The small things like Making a tea was a challenge.. My focus was well off - I could not concentrate on the TV it just seemed pointless, Why do I waste my life watching Tv ? .. Lots of negativity..  Next Time I will do them on my own! - or with someone that is happy to take them with me - I'm sure it will be much better as i can 'go with the flow' and listen to music without ignoring anyone or feeling on edge.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21798639 - 06/12/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Definitely sometimes alone is better and a heads up on dosage... Ive learned that I've become more sensitive to larger doses over the years. Its definitely okay to start with 1 gram and go from there. Some people are totally fine with moderate doses and im one of them :-)
I hope your second is much easier and mushrooms are definitely not a party drug... They are best consumed outside either under the stars or on a bright day walking through some familiar trails. But at home in a cleaned house with good music and candles and a funny movie is great too
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21798847 - 06/12/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oooo you broke some basic trip rules, man- sorry it went that way. But shroomies are so natural they really flourish in nature- they long to be in their natural environment - and technological things will tend to confuse their view on things. Also being around anyone who might harsh your buzz- simply knowing it could happen wil add a paranoia factor sure to at least not allow your trip to reach its full potential. It also seems like this was fairly impromptu: I find that planning out a whole day- actually going through and making a trip list (not just spotify or pandora, though those can be great) trying to time the sunset with your peak and a certain song- you can really be proactive about how great a trip can be and I definitely recommend it.
The way you described your trip it seems to me the little fellas were empathic and able to take on the energy of your surroundings- I'd love to get another trip report with you canoed a couple miles up the energetic river or perched on a dune watching the lizards scuffle through the cacti. I may be a novice when it comes to growing, but I have a decade of trip experience.
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: TravelAgency]
#21799009 - 06/12/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you both for the insight, Ill go with 1 gram next time and go from there.
Its Just a shame I live in the uk and mushrooms are pretty rare over here - or at least to my knowledge.. I Have no friends that take magic mushrooms. I'll plan ahead and look forward to my next trip.. It does not faze me the occasional bad trip is expected Cheers guys!
Do any of you have a difficult time eating when on shrooms? I had one bite of a pizza and as soon as i started chewing i knew i could not swollow it.. there was no way i could swallow it  My throat sealed shut and the pizza became super dry in my mouth like chewing a over-baked inedible cake
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21799169 - 06/12/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes I definitely get a stomach reaction when I eat cubes. Another reason to plan things out as TravelAgency suggested.
I might try an ethanol extraction next time. Gotta love this old post:
CRYSTALS OF THE GODS
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Re: First Time Grow. Lots of Pins . PF Tek Cakes [Re: chrismcq]
#21799505 - 06/12/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I generally fast for 24 hours, then I make a tea. Take your dried fruits and break them up into small pieces (do not turn into powder!) then use a coffee pot to make the perfect steeping temp water. I generally add Yogi Egyptian Liquorice tea for a flavor I swear was made to compliment the shrooms. Take about a solo cup size cup and steep, sealed, for 15 minutes, then strain, and repeat at least once. I generally like to sit back and relax and focus on the beauty of the day and start to forget I am actually sipping on hallucinogens, by the time you are done sipping your second cup (generally) you are tripping; and because you didn't ingest any of the actual fruity body your stomachs has a much easier time while still absorbing all of active ingredients at what seems to me a much quicker rate. I usually do not eat while I'm up, I wait for the come down and have an awesome sandwich ready to break my fast with (the layers!).
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