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My Dark Rye Flour Experiment
    #21735344 - 05/29/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So ive been doing research and i decided to do a test i wanted to know what might work better for a substrate now i made 3 half pint jars of 2 parts vermiculate 1 part Dark Rye Flour and 1 1/4 cup of water idk why but this ratio of 2/1/1.25 seems to work great for me anyway i inoculated each jar with a MS shot of Malabar Coast [my last bit =(] so i came across and old thread which good ol RR chimed in on and he had this to say

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RogerRabbit said:
Bear in mind, the more nutritious a substrate is, the slower colonization will be.

The real enchilada will be the substrate that will go from inoculation to finished fruits in the least time per pound of product.




So my thought is maybe colonization time might take longer since dark rye has more nutrients than brown rice but with a little patience perhaps the yeild or potency will be greater so now we wait i will be updating this thread as they grow and hopefully we will learn something

So here goes
Fri May 29th 2015
Knocked up 3 1/2 pint jars with my last 3ccs of Malabar Coasts
Each jar consists of
*Dark Rye Flour substrate 2/1/1.25 Ratio
*1/2 inch layer of dry vermiculate
*~1cc of Malabar Coast Spore water
Sterilized in a vegtable steamer for 75 min (i know pc is the prefered method but ive found this works really well for pf cakes)


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Zuto18]
    #21735369 - 05/29/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good luck! I don't know how much more nutritious rye flour is to brf, but I wouldn't expect to high of a variation(might be wrong).

But otherwise
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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Achillita]
    #21735405 - 05/29/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well we are gonna find out one way or another :robawet:

Also here is a link to the thread i just quoted

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13369571#13369571

Its a good read and from the ops experiment i concluded that dark rye must have more nutrients than brf he didnt seem to finish it though after his rice bran cakes stalled out


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Zuto18]
    #21735436 - 05/29/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It was an interesting experiment, sucks it just stopped. The bran cakes did have suspected fungicide.

But from the experiment, it took a max of around 10 days longer before birth compared to brf. From that it shouldn't take too much longer than normal.


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Achillita]
    #21735459 - 05/29/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly in this experiment im not going for better colonization times im testing for higher yeilds and/or increased potency even if there is not with a close eye we will have learned that dark rye flour is inferior to Brown rice or that brown rice is good for faster colonization even if by 10 days or so and dark rye might be better for higher yeilds/increased potency at least thats my thought  =)


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Zuto18]
    #21735770 - 05/29/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If said rice bran cakes stalled, the stalling that occurred WASN'T the fault of the rice bran itself, but the fungicides that were in the rice bran, and/or improper sterilization, and/or overly hydrated substrate.  Use rice bran without fungicides in it.  Rice bran is going to be the most nutritious flour choice of all due to the non-removal of the grains' husks before blending.  A grains husk is where most of the grains nutrition is located. 

Did a little experiment some years back with BRF vs. Rice Bran.  Species used : Oyster mushrooms.  Bonus, RR chimes in this thread a lot too.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12771785#12771785

The better fruiting substrates are all comprised of rice bran instead of BRF.


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: hamloaf]
    #21736177 - 05/29/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If said rice bran cakes stalled, the stalling that occurred WASN'T the fault of the rice bran itself, but the fungicides that were in the rice bran, and/or improper sterilization, and/or overly hydrated substrate.  Use rice bran without fungicides in it.  Rice bran is going to be the most nutritious flour choice of all due to the non-removal of the grains' husks before blending.  A grains husk is where most of the grains nutrition is located. 

Did a little experiment some years back with BRF vs. Rice Bran.  Species used : Oyster mushrooms.  Bonus, RR chimes in this thread a lot too.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12771785#12771785

The better fruiting substrates are all comprised of rice bran instead of BRF.





I gave that a nice read too bad the pics didnt come through but this is exactly what im looking for in my experiment
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You'll probably find somewhat slower colonization with the rice bran vs BRF.  The reason is the more nutritious a substrate is, the less the mycelium has to reach out to find food.  They'll make up for any slow colonization at fruiting time though. :laugh:
RR



Howvever my test revolves around DRF as opposed to bran =)


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Zuto18]
    #21736344 - 05/29/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

DRF contains more nutrients per 100g and less carbohydrates per 100g. BRF is more carbohydrates per 100g and less nutrients per 100g.
The difference is minimal: http://skipthepie.org/cereal-grains-and-pasta/rice-flour-brown/compared-to/rye-flour-dark/

The extra nutrients in DRF will impact growth positively though.


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Ferather]
    #21738361 - 05/29/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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DRF contains more nutrients per 100g and less carbohydrates per 100g. BRF is more carbohydrates per 100g and less nutrients per 100g.
The difference is minimal: http://skipthepie.org/cereal-grains-and-pasta/rice-flour-brown/compared-to/rye-flour-dark/

The extra nutrients in DRF will impact growth positively though.




Wow thanks for the knowledge any yep that is the plan but my question is if the positive impact is negligible though im hoping i get some nice pinsets from it =)


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Zuto18]
    #21738378 - 05/29/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now look at the protein and amino acid comparison content of Dark Rye it has way more tryptophan in it and i know tryptophan is a precursor to psilocybin more info on that here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13200397/fpart/all/vc/1
Anyway drf has much tryptophan than brf if you look at that handy link ferather posted thanks again ferather awsome link =)


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Re: My Dark Rye Flour Experiment [Re: Zuto18]
    #21738432 - 05/29/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe the chemical synthesis looks like this L-Tryptophan -> norbaeocystin -> baeocystin -> psilocin -> psilocybin


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