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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736225 - 05/29/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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for instance... soda isnt h2co3 its h2o+co2




pretty sure its both man. carbonic acid in water will be in equilibrium
and create hco3-, h3o+ and co3(2-) and go back again, done in 2 steps.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736236 - 05/29/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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all experiments should be run.

some are dumb.

this one isnt dumb... i just doubt it makes a big difference.




Yea I intentionally avoided saying it was dumb.. Well, the higher oxygen water thing is probably ineffective, but when growing weed, people have CO2 tanks in the room so an oxygen supplement might be beneficial.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: spacechildo]
    #21736248 - 05/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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for instance... soda isnt h2co3 its h2o+co2




pretty sure its both man. carbonic acid in water will be in equilibrium
and create hco3-, h3o+ and co3(2-) and go back again, done in 2 steps.




i did not know that.

there are other solutions that would have been a better example then :smile:


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736255 - 05/29/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think H2O and O2 would react chemically. Both are stable molecules, the O2 just leaves if you leave a bottle of peroxide open.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21736300 - 05/29/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah but i dont think you can make h2o2 by bubbling in o2 either

you can evap h2o2 and get higher percentage h2o2...

soo...

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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736419 - 05/29/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can't change molecular formula by adding something that does not do reaction, it's just water + more oxygen, also wouldn't last long when you open the bottle, BUT if you suck it with a syringe and transfer to another sealed bottle the oxygen will release lesser and would still stay in the bottle then you have more oxygen. This idea came out to me when i was reading a method to increase the yeast cells, the method generally was saying if you do have more oxygen to your yeast liquid than 6 ppm you will have more yeast and more speed, also it was explaining how a yeast laboratory would increase the oxygen by adding oxygen pills to the liquid to goal that purpose. and then I found out this product and used it with succeed.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736422 - 05/29/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah but i dont think you can make h2o2 by bubbling in o2 either

shrug




You can't. That's what I was saying, both molecules are stable and won't interact. It takes a free O atom and added energy to make H2O take on that extra O. Likewise you can't make H2O2 by combining H2 and O2 as both of those are stable as well.

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you can evap h2o2 and get higher percentage h2o2...





No, I think you would get a lower percentage H2O2. H2O2 will react when exposed to air and the extra O atom will pop off. This happens much faster than the evaporation of the H2O so you will never get a higher concentration of H2O2 by leaving it sitting out.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: freeofcharge]
    #21736423 - 05/29/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can't change molecular formula by adding something that does not do reaction, it's just water + more oxygen, also wouldn't last long when you open the bottle, BUT if you suck it with a syringe and transfer to another sealed bottle the oxygen will release lesser and would still stay in the bottle then you have more oxygen. This idea came out to me when i was reading a method to increase the yeast cells, the method generally was saying if you do have more oxygen to your yeast liquid than 6 ppm you will have more yeast and more speed, also it was explaining how a yeast laboratory would increase the oxygen by adding oxygen pills to the liquid to goal that purpose. and then I found out this product and used it with succeed.




This might be valid for yeast, but as I mentioned earlier, mushrooms don't get their oxygen from the water, they get it from the atmosphere.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21736433 - 05/29/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah but i dont think you can make h2o2 by bubbling in o2 either

shrug




You can't. That's what I was saying, both molecules are stable and won't interact. It takes a free O atom and added energy to make H2O take on that extra O. Likewise you can't make H2O2 by combining H2 and O2 as both of those are stable as well.

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you can evap h2o2 and get higher percentage h2o2...





No, I think you would get a lower percentage H2O2. H2O2 will react when exposed to air and the extra O atom will pop off. This happens much faster than the evaporation of the H2O so you will never get a higher concentration of H2O2 by leaving it sitting out.




the guy with the jet pack makes his fuel by concentrating off the shelf peroxide (saw this on penn and teller tell a lie, and wasnt the lie atleast i dont THINK it was the lie )


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21736455 - 05/29/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can't change molecular formula by adding something that does not do reaction, it's just water + more oxygen, also wouldn't last long when you open the bottle, BUT if you suck it with a syringe and transfer to another sealed bottle the oxygen will release lesser and would still stay in the bottle then you have more oxygen. This idea came out to me when i was reading a method to increase the yeast cells, the method generally was saying if you do have more oxygen to your yeast liquid than 6 ppm you will have more yeast and more speed, also it was explaining how a yeast laboratory would increase the oxygen by adding oxygen pills to the liquid to goal that purpose. and then I found out this product and used it with succeed.




This might be valid for yeast, but as I mentioned earlier, mushrooms don't get their oxygen from the water, they get it from the atmosphere.




First of all the liquid culture get their oxygen from the water unless there was a lack of it so they would come to surface, second if we assume they gets from air then by this method you do have more oxygen in your bottle's air.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736502 - 05/29/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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rxb said:
yeah but i dont think you can make h2o2 by bubbling in o2 either

shrug




You can't. That's what I was saying, both molecules are stable and won't interact. It takes a free O atom and added energy to make H2O take on that extra O. Likewise you can't make H2O2 by combining H2 and O2 as both of those are stable as well.

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rxb said:

you can evap h2o2 and get higher percentage h2o2...





No, I think you would get a lower percentage H2O2. H2O2 will react when exposed to air and the extra O atom will pop off. This happens much faster than the evaporation of the H2O so you will never get a higher concentration of H2O2 by leaving it sitting out.




the guy with the jet pack makes his fuel by concentrating off the shelf peroxide (saw this on penn and teller tell a lie, and wasnt the lie atleast i dont THINK it was the lie )




Interesting. Apparently H2O2 boils at 150C  but you can't go over 100C still because water boiling will still break the weak peroxide bond. I'm not sure how effective letting it sit out would be. You would want to get rid of water as fast as possible because contact with air will break the peroxide bond too.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21736538 - 05/29/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i dont know how he accomplished it...im sure we could both look it up, but we probably would have done so by now if it was important :smile:


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: rxb]
    #21736912 - 05/29/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It wouldn't turn into H2O2.

If you wanna use it for LC, make an extra-concentrated LC solution and shoot that in proper proportion to the sterile water, not the other way around.

I would try using it to hydrate some grains and a bulk substrate. Get an isolate and do a side-by-side test with normal water. I doubt it'd change much, but that's the test that needs done.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21739793 - 05/30/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update : Seeing white growth on the surface of LC ONLY AFTER 24 HOURS!!. I was expected the surface grow cause at this moment I think the bottle's space has more oxygen into it than the liquid. if it would be mycelium whether or not ( hope it was ), Oxygenated water incredibly has increased the speed of that organism growth. ( as like as yeast )

Post will be update after getting more results.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21739844 - 05/30/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Oxygenated water incredibly has increased the speed of that organism growth. ( as like as yeast )




wow, you already did all this in just 1 day?:

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Get an isolate and do a side-by-side test with normal water.




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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: spacechildo]
    #21739857 - 05/30/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You just confused, There is no way you could use h2o2 for LC and I'm not using it. I just tried oxygenated water which means real h2o + more oxygen solved into it. ( NOT H2O2 )


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: freeofcharge]
    #21739860 - 05/30/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I never said anything about h2o2 or h2o + oxygen solved into it
I simply stated how amazed I am that you already have found an isolate and have tested it on both your theory and on regular water.....


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: spacechildo]
    #21739871 - 05/30/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Simply just bought an bottle of water with 60 ppm oxygen from the supermarket, PCed the dextrose, sucked the water out of the water bottle and add it to the sealed dextrose bottle then inoculated it with a syringe. saw the growth in this morning, I was expected it.


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: freeofcharge]
    #21739878 - 05/30/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

but how is the control bottle looking? Have you tested your isolate before this trial?


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Re: Oxygen or Co2? need an urgent answer [Re: spacechildo]
    #21739911 - 05/30/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Any kind of product reference would be great. What what country are you from and how extensively is said water?-is it available stateside and is it affordable


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