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Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help
#21734708 - 05/28/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have done a lot of research and i cant seem to find any straight answers and i really dont want my pods to go to waste
When do you actually cut down your poppy plants?
Can you dry them just like cannabis?
Will the seeds from them be able to be grown, and if so what is the best way to store them?
What is the best extraction method? If doing the basic water simmer technique, can the tar/puddy be smoked as well as being eaten? How reliable are alcohol extractions
Has anyone tried a butane extraction?
Please help me out guys, no matter what ive tried i never seem to find a straight answer about these things :/
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21734762 - 05/28/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can do anything you want just don't tell anybody.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21734822 - 05/28/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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let the poppy plants die and dry up while still planted in the ground. they will be fine. you will notice that they will harden to basically dry wood like material. the seed holes at the crowns should be open if not poke them out. shake out the seeds let them air dry store them in a zip lock bag or whatever. a seed will grow if it grows.
now as for the straw. treat it like hay if you want to store it in a barn if need be. everything is locked in the stem and pod.
make you some tea and get down man.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: Wierdc]
#21734949 - 05/28/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Get down 

I still have never tried poppies, or many opiates in general really. Will have some mature pods soon, still trying to decide if I should experiment with em.
Will definitely be harvesting them for the seeds at least.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: Wierdc]
#21735226 - 05/29/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wierdc said: let the poppy plants die and dry up while still planted in the ground. they will be fine. you will notice that they will harden to basically dry wood like material. the seed holes at the crowns should be open if not poke them out. shake out the seeds let them air dry store them in a zip lock bag or whatever. a seed will grow if it grows.
now as for the straw. treat it like hay if you want to store it in a barn if need be. everything is locked in the stem and pod.
make you some tea and get down man.

 I like to grind all the straw up, soak it in cold water in the fridge for a few days, strain that through a t-shirt then warm it up enough to melt some paraffin, let cool and remove paraffin (defatting) then filter through a diesel bag, pour in pyrex baking dishes and evaporate all the water with a fan, scrape at the end and you will get a nice clean putty that is infinitely easier to gauge doses with and swallow down than tea, which can be dangerously inconsistent and tastes like lawn clippings.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21735461 - 05/29/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: "scrape at the end and you will get a nice clean putty that is infinitely easier to gauge doses with and swallow down than tea, which can be dangerously inconsistent and tastes like lawn clippings."
is this end product smokable as well?
Edited by BigButtMinaj (05/29/15 02:49 AM)
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21736266 - 05/29/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, for smoking grade O you need to lance the pods when they are still waxy and plump, when the crowns start to curve upward, scrape it and dry, then you have smokeable, raw opium.
But lancing is highly illegal and way more difficult to hide than just letting the plants dry out, die and cutting them down and saving the straw. Lancing requires a lot of plants, absolute privacy and a whole lot of labor, which is why most people just save the pods for tea.
I've gotten a good 6+g of opium from lancing a harvest once and it is infinitely superior to tea/putty in terms of ease of use. You can just swallow a point or two and be feeling amazing, or smoke some and you get a totally different, more stimulating buzz. But I was sweating bullets for a whole month paranoid people would see me lancing the pods and know what I was up to. Really depends on how much risk you can tolerate.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21738825 - 05/29/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: No, for smoking grade O you need to lance the pods when they are still waxy and plump, when the crowns start to curve upward, scrape it and dry, then you have smokeable, raw opium.
But lancing is highly illegal and way more difficult to hide than just letting the plants dry out, die and cutting them down and saving the straw. Lancing requires a lot of plants, absolute privacy and a whole lot of labor, which is why most people just save the pods for tea.
I've gotten a good 6+g of opium from lancing a harvest once and it is infinitely superior to tea/putty in terms of ease of use. You can just swallow a point or two and be feeling amazing, or smoke some and you get a totally different, more stimulating buzz. But I was sweating bullets for a whole month paranoid people would see me lancing the pods and know what I was up to. Really depends on how much risk you can tolerate.
about how many plants/pods did it take to obtain 6gs? and how much would you need to smoke for a frquent opiate user? also can u get to a nodding point with this?
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21739156 - 05/29/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BigButtMinaj said:
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P.Zappatecorum said: No, for smoking grade O you need to lance the pods when they are still waxy and plump, when the crowns start to curve upward, scrape it and dry, then you have smokeable, raw opium.
But lancing is highly illegal and way more difficult to hide than just letting the plants dry out, die and cutting them down and saving the straw. Lancing requires a lot of plants, absolute privacy and a whole lot of labor, which is why most people just save the pods for tea.
I've gotten a good 6+g of opium from lancing a harvest once and it is infinitely superior to tea/putty in terms of ease of use. You can just swallow a point or two and be feeling amazing, or smoke some and you get a totally different, more stimulating buzz. But I was sweating bullets for a whole month paranoid people would see me lancing the pods and know what I was up to. Really depends on how much risk you can tolerate.
about how many plants/pods did it take to obtain 6gs? and how much would you need to smoke for a frquent opiate user? also can u get to a nodding point with this?
FYI no dosage advice is allowed in the EG. We focus on the growing of the plants.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21739195 - 05/29/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's roughly 25 pods per gram final yield, that's big, fat ass tangerine sized gigs that are just oozing loads of latex.
I only smoked a tiny dab or two when I had it to smoke and that gave me a nice warm buzz with some itchies, good euphoria and a relaxed bodyfeel. I don't like nodding so I have no idea what it would take to get there. I smoked about once a week, I wouldn't recommend daily opium smoking as it kicks off some major tar when you vape it from foil and you can feel it fucking with your lungs. It's way worse for you then weed, maybe even worse for you than tobacco. After smoking, I would literally wipe some black tar looking residue off my bottom incisors.
Smoking opium is honestly a bit of a waste, you lose some morphine and it has a much shorter duration. Eating the same amount would last longer, give you more of a body feel and be more sedating. Best thing to do is eat decent dose and smoke a tiny bit so you can have that nice quick come up and stimulation from the smoked O then relax into a more mellow oral high.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (05/29/15 11:12 PM)
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21739315 - 05/29/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mostly_Harmless said:
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BigButtMinaj said:
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P.Zappatecorum said: No, for smoking grade O you need to lance the pods when they are still waxy and plump, when the crowns start to curve upward, scrape it and dry, then you have smokeable, raw opium.
But lancing is highly illegal and way more difficult to hide than just letting the plants dry out, die and cutting them down and saving the straw. Lancing requires a lot of plants, absolute privacy and a whole lot of labor, which is why most people just save the pods for tea.
I've gotten a good 6+g of opium from lancing a harvest once and it is infinitely superior to tea/putty in terms of ease of use. You can just swallow a point or two and be feeling amazing, or smoke some and you get a totally different, more stimulating buzz. But I was sweating bullets for a whole month paranoid people would see me lancing the pods and know what I was up to. Really depends on how much risk you can tolerate.
about how many plants/pods did it take to obtain 6gs? and how much would you need to smoke for a frquent opiate user? also can u get to a nodding point with this?
FYI no dosage advice is allowed in the EG. We focus on the growing of the plants.
my bad. wont happen again and thank you for informing me 
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P.Zappatecorum said: I think it's roughly 25 pods per gram final yield, that's big, fat ass tangerine sized gigs that are just oozing loads of latex.
I only smoked a tiny dab or two when I had it to smoke and that gave me a nice warm buzz with some itchies, good euphoria and a relaxed bodyfeel. I don't like nodding so I have no idea what it would take to get there. I smoked about once a week, I wouldn't recommend daily opium smoking as it kicks off some major tar when you vape it from foil and you can feel it fucking with your lungs. It's way worse for you then weed, maybe even worse for you than tobacco. After smoking, I would literally wipe some black tar looking residue off my bottom incisors.
Smoking opium is honestly a bit of a waste, you lose some morphine and it has a much shorter duration. Eating the same amount would last longer, give you more of a body feel and be more sedating. Best thing to do is eat decent dose and smoke a tiny bit so you can have that nice quick come up and stimulation from the smoked O then relax into a more mellow oral high.
thanks for the info. i will probably just go straight to edibles and not score at all because it isnt worth it for my size crop. is a water boil the best method? i have done some research and the one tek i found stated that i would need a "250 micron bubble bag", which is near impossible for me to find. i want to try to do the edible puddy balls. do you guys think i need to get a bubble bag? is there possibly a better method because i want to get the most out of my work. ive read a lot about water boils. and thanks to all of you helpinh me out. its nice to know i have a nice community of people on shroomery to help me educate myself.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21739349 - 05/29/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I liked using some peppermint extract, which gave my teas a great flavoring as well as helped with any nausea if you have it.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21739353 - 05/29/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bubble bags are cheap on the popular auction sites. When I extracted my putty, doing a long, cold water (in fridge) soak got nearly all the goodies out. I boiled for a second pull and third pull but in the future I'd probably just discard the spent straw after the first pull, it really gets most of the goodies and the cold water extract gets much less of the plant oils and nasty shit that you don't want.
I did it twice. First time I did not use a filter bag or defat. Second time I did both. I might skip the defatting next time as I think I lost some of the morphine in the fat, the paraffin was a fucking greasy mess to work with and my end product was actually a little too clean because it never really dried out and solidified but was more like opium molasses. But the filtering definitely is worth the 10 bucks or so, the end product is far nastier and full of plant shit that makes it smell and taste godawful if you just use t-shirts.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (05/29/15 11:59 PM)
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21739418 - 05/30/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: Bubble bags are cheap on the popular auction sites. When I extracted my putty, doing a long, cold water (in fridge) soak got nearly all the goodies out. I boiled for a second pull and third pull but in the future I'd probably just discard the spent straw after the first pull, it really gets most of the goodies and the cold water extract gets much less of the plant oils and nasty shit that you don't want.
I did it twice. First time I did not use a filter bag or defat. Second time I did both. I might skip the defatting next time as I think I lost some of the morphine in the fat, the paraffin was a fucking greasy mess to work with and my end product was actually a little too clean because it never really dried out and solidified but was more like opium molasses. But the filtering definitely is worth the 10 bucks or so, the end product is far nastier and full of plant shit that makes it smell and taste godawful if you just use t-shirts.
so your saying to just grind it up, put it in cold water and place in the fridge? you really dont think a boil is necessary? im also dealing with tasmanian purples. also what type of bubble bag would you use. like what size micron? i would rather not do tea at all as i feel the puddy balls are more of a easier thing to share with your pals lol.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21739432 - 05/30/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, grind and let it sit in the fridge for a day or two in ample water, you'll extract nearly all the morphine with less of the oils than a boil. You can stir it up a couple times at day to aid it. Then, you can strain it with a t-shirt and do a boil on the remaining plant matter and keep that separate just to see how effective the first was. The second pull will be super weak. I was dumb and added them together and basically made evaporating a much harder task with hardly any increase in yield. YMMV.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21739441 - 05/30/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21740808 - 05/30/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow thanks so much. exactly the kind of tek i was looking for and its perfect too cuz i have a lot of the suppies due to previous experiments with some tree bark lol thanks man. awesome tek
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21742550 - 05/30/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not mine, but yeah, it's great. You can tweak it a bit for your needs, as I said for me one pull with a long, cold water soak gets all I need from the straw. I will try without paraffin if I ever do it again as it is really messy and filtering gets it really damn clean.
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21743124 - 05/30/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so you just completely skip the defatting step?
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Re: Need A Few Straight Answers (papaver) please help [Re: BigButtMinaj]
#21743209 - 05/30/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it might be a little more rough on the GI I find the filter and just one cold soak still gets it very clean. Without the fat mine became way to gooey and wouldn't dry, so storage was a bitch.
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