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rooting cutting question
#21733180 - 05/28/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Should I keep cuttings waiting to root in full shade?or is shade until one or two and full sun the rest of the day ok?
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734020 - 05/28/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've had cuttings that were accidentally left in full sun that turned yellow then shriveled up and died. They are best kept in shade until signs of new growth and/or roots.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: prismism]
#21734129 - 05/28/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I assume you are talking cactus cuttings here, right?
I am going to continue by assuming you are.
The answer really depends on what amount of sunlight they were in beforehand.
The safe answer is somewhere shaded, but with good ventilation. If they were growing somewhere they are used to a lot of sun already, some sun will be fine. In fact some members here prefer it and claims it speeds the rooting process.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21734143 - 05/28/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the majority of cuttings do better in shaded areas because they are generally left to callous in the shade. Thinner cuttings might die easier if left in the sun.
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Yes cactus cuttings.sorry about that.they came from a vendor in california I haven't been able to get much info from.they have been in more shade with full sun in the afternoon.they seem to be doing ok.I have four bridgesii four juuls all received about a month ago.one of each are shooting roots not from the bottom but out the side near the bottom.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734267 - 05/28/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, better safe than sorry. If you can, ya might wanna keep as much shade on em as possible.
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kosmokratorshaman said: the majority of cuttings do better in shaded areas because they are generally left to callous in the shade. Thinner cuttings might die easier if left in the sun.
I have never lost a cutting in full sun,from little tiny ones,to big thick ones.
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kosmokratorshaman said: the majority of cuttings do better in shaded areas because they are generally left to callous in the shade. Thinner cuttings might die easier if left in the sun.
I have never lost a cutting in full sun,from little tiny ones,to big thick ones.
depends on your environment I would expect.
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Plan was to let them stay in shade/afternoon sun till they rooted.then put them in full sun.they all look pretty good just slowly putting out roots.none out of the bottom just some creeping out the side like pushing through the green.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734362 - 05/28/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are they in soil yet?
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734381 - 05/28/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I personally thought they would burn up in full sun but this is the first time ive rooted anything.I bought some pedro at lowes couple years back that I lost to the frost so im just being very careful about how I go about things.I miss those cacti dearly got 8inches of new growth in one summer.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21734385 - 05/28/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: Are they in soil yet?
I figured they were that's why I said full sun
If they aren't in soil then I don't know because I never root my cacti in anything but dry soil,and full sun.
The sun here is something fierce too!
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734389 - 05/28/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes they have been for a month.
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You also don't have to listen to me,I'm just telling you how I do things.
I just took some cutting a few days back,and they have been in full sun ever since,with no signs of burning.
They are really small cutting too,and I currently reside in Kentucky,which is know for extreme heat and humidity!
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Im in tn. Just been getting alot of storms lately.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734451 - 05/28/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I appreciate the advice.thats why im here.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734471 - 05/28/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We just had a lot of storms,and so far none of my cacti have rotted!
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I just moved like half my cacti into full sun, will be slowly moving the rest out.
After all this full sun rooting talk I may have to move a couple rooting cuttings out of their shaded spot sooner than I was planning.
Maybe put the monster trich log I got into full sun to speed up its rooting/growth.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21734983 - 05/28/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lost87 said: Im in tn. Just been getting alot of storms lately.
Me to buddy. I thought I backed kactus in this thread already but I must had forgot to post. Anyways I usually allow my cuttings sit outside getting around 6-8 hours of sun and the rest shade "really because it's the best place I have for them".
Honestly I've noticed no burning, drying or anything like that and it seems to strike roots quicker than when I shaded my cuttings in the past.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: spaceman101]
#21736112 - 05/29/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another thing shade will do to your cacti is cause the to severely stretch and look plain awful,if they stay in it long enough.
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Well I just pulled them all out for some sun but its cloudy so im keeping a eye on them.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21736624 - 05/29/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They will be fine,trust me
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21736768 - 05/29/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cuttings that large and mature will be fine in the sun. You can already tell by it's size that it has received sunlight before being cut. It's the young small cuttings that get sun burnt and dry up. The cactus will only grow etiolated if it's already struck roots and begins new growth while in low light. If it shows any new growth whatsoever, acclimate it to full sun asap.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: prismism]
#21736992 - 05/29/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have teeny tiny cuttings in full sun,and they aren't burnt at all.
I also meant if people are rooting cacti in shade,and continue to grow them in shade they will eventually start to stretch.
I should have been more specific
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kactus.brand.g said: I have teeny tiny cuttings in full sun,and they aren't burnt at all.
Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that it can't happen. It's a real thing that others should be aware of, especially when talking about non trichocereus columnars. Trichs tend to be a little stronger in this regard, but not all cactus are as hearty.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: prismism]
#21737234 - 05/29/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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kactus.brand.g said: I have teeny tiny cuttings in full sun,and they aren't burnt at all.
Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that it can't happen. It's a real thing that others should be aware of, especially when talking about non trichocereus columnars. Trichs tend to be a little stronger in this regard, but not all cactus are as hearty.
Oh,I didn't say it can't happen
I'm just letting people know that cacti are the hardiest species of plant on the planet,and don't need to be babied,that's all
Do you think in the scorching desert when a pup or arm of a cactus is knocked off the parent plant,it's babied,and pampered in full shade?
Of course not,it's left in the full sun to root,and they root fine.
I'm just giving people my opinion on it,because I've noticed too many people on here baby their cacti,and it's not needed.
They don't survive the harshest,and driest places on this planet for no reason
I could also show you tiny non trich pups that I just broke off the parent plants and put in full sun,which are totally rooted right now too.
No one has to listen to me,it's just my opinion,and I have grown like this for nearly 15 years,with no problems whatsoever
Maybe you should try something different for a change,and I guarantee you'll like what you see
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I also tried a coupe of times rooting trichs inside in low light levels,or outdoors in shade,opposed to out in the full sun.
It always took two months or longer for them to strike roots,so I never did it that way ever again.
Now I root all my plants outdoors in full sun,and it takes anywhere from two weeks to no more than a month.
Now then,tell me how my methods could be misinformation?
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I'm not disagreeing with you KBG, more like elaborating on your point here. You have success with rooting in full sun, but also I'm sure they were cut/broken from a cacti that was in full sun to begin with, right? I'm sure that a pup from a shade grown cactus trying to root in full sun would show some distress, don't ya think?
Like I said, I'm not refuting your point - my cuttings are all going to be full sun from now on, right next to the rest of my cacti.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21737556 - 05/29/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude I don't know why but I have many cuttings atm even degrafted peres scions in full sun rooting and I haven't had any problem whatsoever with any of them. though they only tend to get 6-8 hours of full direct sunlight in a day. BTW none of my grafts were in full sun at any point because I've kept them growing under my lights since they seem to do so well there and I have less to worry about with them in there.
It may just be our weather kactus that allows us to do this but I kinda doubt it because we can get pretty hot and nasty down here.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: spaceman101]
#21737579 - 05/29/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huh, well I don't know. Just sounds like more reason to go full sun with cuttings to me.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21737667 - 05/29/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: I'm not disagreeing with you KBG, more like elaborating on your point here. You have success with rooting in full sun, but also I'm sure they were cut/broken from a cacti that was in full sun to begin with, right? I'm sure that a pup from a shade grown cactus trying to root in full sun would show some distress, don't ya think?
Like I said, I'm not refuting your point - my cuttings are all going to be full sun from now on, right next to the rest of my cacti.
You can disagree with me man,it doesn't bother me at all
Most people disagree with my methods anyway
I have actually received cacti from members on here,some of which were grown indoors,and I threw them straight out in full sun,without acclimating them first,that very day I received them.
For instance,spaceman sent me some tiny Trichs seedlings,that I'm pretty sure were grown inside,and I put them right out in the sun that very day,and they are looking fantastic now. They never burned,or showed any signs of distress either.
Ferrels last batch he sent me,went to straight to full sun too,and some had not a root.
Some of the cuttings I take and root,are from cacti that are used to being in full sun,but some are not.
I took some cactus cuttings from some plants my grandmother had growing inside her house,a couple weeks back,and I threw them right out into the sun. They are now already rooted,and look fantastic!
I can't think of any other place that gets as hot,and humid,with such intense sun,than the South Eastern US,so it's not just because of where I'm located either.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21737680 - 05/29/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mine have been mostly shade with some direct sun for a month,with not so good results.so im just going to turn up the heat and go full sun see what happens.if this rain ever moves out...
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21737690 - 05/29/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lost87 said: mine have been mostly shade with some direct sun for a month,with not so good results.so im just going to turn up the heat and go full sun see what happens.if this rain ever moves out...
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21738335 - 05/29/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lost87 said: mine have been mostly shade with some direct sun for a month,with not so good results.so im just going to turn up the heat and go full sun see what happens.if this rain ever moves out...
Hey dude you east or west TN?
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: spaceman101]
#21738435 - 05/29/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Middle.where the music never ends.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21738710 - 05/29/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sounds like Kactus just has a good climate for growing. If I threw them here in full sun, they would rot from too much water. That's why I do them the various ways I do. Mine take 3-5 weeks to root. Im on day 11 of my large pedros.
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I have a couple pretty big juuls that have done nothing so far but sit up straight and try to flower.skinnier bridgesii are doing pretty good after a month in soil.just one of those dont want to root for some odd reason.thinking about laying it down but its pretty nice looking.might cut her in half and log the bottom section and keep the top upright.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21739017 - 05/29/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lost87 said: Middle.where the music never ends.
Good old country music I used to love going to the Grand Ole Opry back in the day.
Dude we're get almost exactly the same weather and I have my Lophs outside and their getting the jist of all these storms. Their stone aged lophs but still their lophs.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: spaceman101]
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lost87 said: Middle.where the music never ends.
Good old country music I used to love going to the Grand Ole Opry back in the day.
Dude we're get almost exactly the same weather and I have my Lophs outside and their getting the jist of all these storms. Their stone aged lophs but still their lophs.
Did you ever go to Opryland?
Boy I had good times there as a kid
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I had season passes growing up.was always in line trying to get on the hangman.things I would do for a little taste of adrenaline.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
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lost87 said: I had season passes growing up.was always in line trying to get on the hangman.things I would do for a little taste of adrenaline.
Refresh my memory,I can't remember what the hangman was.
I do remember the Grizzly River Rampage,the Log Ride,and the Wabash Cannonball,my faves
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never mind answering me here go to the off topic thread,don't want to get in trouble
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21739138 - 05/29/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well,I was just saying so you didn't answer here
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Got ya.and thanks.
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kactus.brand.g said: Another thing shade will do to your cacti is cause the to severely stretch and look plain awful,if they stay in it long enough.
My bad.figured it out...not trying to deal with that.my bridgesii are kinda skinny but sure they will fatten up after they root.
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Re: rooting cutting question [Re: lost87]
#21739946 - 05/30/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its my experience that they fatten both with age and weight. However, its also my experience that with a well developed root system, the pups emerging tend to be fatter from the start.
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