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what type of bridgesii
    #21733040 - 05/28/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I received these as achuma....I know there are different types/clones but not too sure as what type these are.asked my vendor and he has yet to get back to me.any info will be appreciated.three are six rib and one is five.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21733245 - 05/28/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The only specific types I am aware of are monstros clones, mainly the A/B "penis" cacti ones and the melted wax achuma.

Then I guess there is all the hybrids and named varieties which there are tons of.

Basically only the person you got it from can really tell you. But maybe someone on here will recognize it or something :shrug:

They both look pretty healthy though, especially the right one :thumbup: That one looks very nice, love the color on it


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: musiclover420]
    #21733725 - 05/28/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you and I just thought they looked a little different as far as the spines and color.vendor still has not replied but I will post what I find out.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21733860 - 05/28/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They do look different but cacti can vary so much they could be from the same plant just in different spots/conditions.

I will be looking forward to some updates down the line :wink: and any info the vendor shares. I love achuma :heart:


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: musiclover420]
    #21734621 - 05/28/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Depending on whom you talk to.. (Achuma) can mean either the Trichocereus Pachanoi / Echinopsis pachanoi Or Trichocereus bridgesii / Echinopsis Lageniformis, Or Trichocereus peruvianus / Echinopsis peruvianus.

The word (Achuma), Wachuma, Hachuma,  is a Quechuan word. With regional dialects such as Ancash, Huanuco, Yaru, Wanka, and Yauos-Chincha, and Cajamarca.

It is my understanding that the word Achuma, can apply to both San pedro, and Bridgesii.. and Peruvianus too. If you go to markets where Cuanderos Shop, sometimes several species will be sitting on a blanket together, for sale and all called (Achuma/Wachuma).

At first glance, the 2 pictured appear to be Bridgesii. I base that on spine, and skin color. (blueish). But. . never know.. could be hybrids. Like Musiclover said.. the person you got them from should know.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21736667 - 05/29/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bridgesii


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: golfin_ernie]
    #21736727 - 05/29/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Read somewhere if you log a section of bridgesii when they pup they may lose a rib.would be great to end up with four ribbed from five.just cant bring myself to lay it down.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21736773 - 05/29/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have a 4 ribber, I wonder if that's how it came about.  Ive never heard that before.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Amanita86]
    #21737421 - 05/29/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't guess that log planting it actually causes it to lose a rib.

Maybe, but I imagine it was just the pup doing what it wants to do rather than it being caused to lose one due to the style of planting...  :2cents:


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21738716 - 05/29/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Read somewhere if you log a section of bridgesii when they pup they may lose a rib.would be great to end up with four ribbed from five.just cant bring myself to lay it down.




Logging my bridge middle cut was the best thing I did. It is my second most prolific cactus. It throws lots of pups, and they grow well.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21738838 - 05/29/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Any difference on the rib count??


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21738847 - 05/29/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do have one of four that still has no sign of roots.how long is the middle cut you logged?


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21739146 - 05/29/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rib count will simply increase as your pups grow happy. To have one remain at 4 ribs will be quite rare, 5 or 6 seems most common for bridgesii. They can drop ribs or gain them in times of stress or abundance.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21739258 - 05/29/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Rib count will simply increase as your pups grow happy. To have one remain at 4 ribs will be quite rare, 5 or 6 seems most common for bridgesii. They can drop ribs or gain them in times of stress or abundance.




So generally speaking, would you say that the rib count is an indication of how 'happy' a cactus is? I was under the impression that gaining or losing ribs was pretty much all genetics...


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: cowsRmeat] * 1
    #21739373 - 05/30/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Genetics I guess determines what range is possible for the plant, and conditions at any given time determine how many the plant will have within that range.
When a cactus gains a rib there is an increase the surface area of the plant, enabling more sunlight to be absorbed. More energy in leads to greater growth. And more ribs = more girth. Assuming there is enough roots and nutrient uptake to support it all.
So I think if a plant reaches its highest potential count, that is a fair indicator of happiness.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21739399 - 05/30/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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VERY intelligently answered, good sir!


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21739402 - 05/30/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Whats with all the talk about four winds?just a very unhappy bridgesii?or just a really good sales pitch.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: lost87]
    #21739409 - 05/30/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Number of ribs does have to do with genetics.  Some species of cactus have more ribs than others, and some genetic lineages/strains of certain species have more or less ribs than others of the same species. A cactus may throw an extra rib or two and lose them back a few times in its life due to "happiness," but a cultivar that has been specially bred and selected to have less ribs is not going to suddenly double the amount of ribs just because it is healthy, otherwise all your bridgesii would have the same number of ribs.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21739428 - 05/30/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Number of ribs does have to do with genetics.  Some species of cactus have more ribs than others, and some genetic lineages/strains of certain species have more or less ribs than others of the same species. A cactus may throw an extra rib or two and lose them back a few times in its life due to "happiness," but a cultivar that has been specially bred and selected to have less ribs is not going to suddenly double the amount of ribs just because it is healthy, otherwise all your bridgesii would have the same number of ribs.




No, I get what you mean, but I guess I worded it a little strange. I realize that cacti can gain and lose ribs, but like you said, cultivars that are bred to have less ribs will generally have less ribs (through genetics). All I was getting at was that the act of a cactus gaining or losing a rib wasn't so much affected by just doing something specific (such as log style planting vs column). It was instead affected by a it's genetics (as you mentioned) as well as what harmless pointed out where favorable conditions will affect it's total rib count within the parameters of it's genes...


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21739446 - 05/30/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21739872 - 05/30/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like ribs


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21740148 - 05/30/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had a rib count change before.  Any pics of one where a change occured?  I kind of hope my 4 ribber stays at 4.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Amanita86]
    #21740205 - 05/30/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This 4 ribbed bridgesii went to 6



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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21740238 - 05/30/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Weird, does that change correlate with coming out of a dormancy period?


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Amanita86]
    #21740286 - 05/30/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It was a 4 ribbed pup on this :


that was removed and rooted on its own :



Once it was on its own roots and growing well, the change happened.


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Re: what type of bridgesii [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21740306 - 05/30/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)


That's a good looking cactus right there.  I really hope mine stays at 4, it's started going melted wax after taking a tip hit so it's all confused.  It would be kind of cool to have a 4rib/melted/5-6 rib in one plant though..


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