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Cintulus or Foenisecii (updated)
#21733008 - 05/28/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Found these guys growing at local park in Ontario. I'm still waiting on spore prints, but thought I'd see what some of you thought while I wait.
Edited by TBJ12 (06/09/15 09:27 AM)
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Re: Cintulus or Foes (updated) [Re: TBJ12]
#21733344 - 05/28/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Andjew]
#21733784 - 05/28/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just checked the prints and they were all brown.
As you pointed the ones with the darker gills did not produce a prints. I'll go back tomorrow and keep an eye out for the darker gills.
The park is home to hundreds of Geese and Duck, so the grass is very well fertilized, and the ground is usually very moist thanks to the surrounding river. Based on the conditions I figured this would be a good place for my first hunt.
Plenty of land filled with Horses, Sheep and Cows surrounding me. I'll likely begin searching these areas once we get some rain.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Andjew]
#21733969 - 05/28/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Andjew said: I've found cinculus growing very closely with foes.
Yes, side by side many times, they both favor the same growing conditions.
They're so entwined that they have a little bit of history you could say, mixed collections of Pan foes and Pan cincts have caused some to believe that Pan foes are active, which they're not.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Lucis]
#21782395 - 06/09/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Still waiting for prints on these guys, but all were found in the sunny, long grass areas of a golf course. It's been raining off and on for a few days here.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Andjew]
#21782452 - 06/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Andjew said: If you're looking for cintulus, I wouldn't pick the panaeolus mushrooms with the brown gills. If you look at your mushrooms you collected, you'll see that there's brown gilled ones and black gilled ones. If the brown gilled mushrooms spore print brown, you most likely have pan foes. You need to spore print panaeolus genus mushrooms because they are told apart by their spore prints and microscopic features. The gills look to dry to print on some of the black gilled ones though.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
EDIT: I'm 95% sure the second picture in your second post is pan foe.
Almost right,the spores are black on cincts you got that one, the gills however start off cream, move to brown, then finally go black.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Blazeyy]
#21782639 - 06/09/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do the last 3 pics look like a different type of mushroom? I guess it could be a younger specimen, but it looks different to me.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: TBJ12]
#21784133 - 06/09/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Printed the first batch and it appears to be a mixed batch. Prints didn't turn out great so I'm just going to chuck them and print some fresh ones tomorrow.
In the meantime, I found these guys growing from a compost pile in a cemetary. Checked the prints and they appear to be jet black but, I'm going to let them print for a couple more hours.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Andjew]
#21785556 - 06/09/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TBJ12 said: Printed the first batch and it appears to be a mixed batch. Prints didn't turn out great so I'm just going to chuck them and print some fresh ones tomorrow.
In the meantime, I found these guys growing from a compost pile in a cemetary. Checked the prints and they appear to be jet black but, I'm going to let them print for a couple more hours.

Cap is mature and the gills aren't black. Also the stem is way to tan/yellow to be P. cinctulus. Sorry man. I'm going to go ahead and assume the print will be brown, but go ahead and print it anyways for experience.
If you're finding pan foes, that means that you're in the right area to find P. cinctulus since they grow in the same type of conditions. I found pan foes back in April and people told me to just wait till it got warmer for the P. cinctulus to pop up. Sure enough the P. cinctulus have started to fruit in unreasonable numbers. Look for really green "perfect" looking fescue grass which is fertilized regularly.
Thanks for the tips Andrew.
I'll let these print until morning but, they do appear to be dropping black spores. I'm printing these on the same paper I printed the earlier findings on and I can clearly see a difference in the print color. I'll get some pics up tomorrow.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Andjew]
#21787117 - 06/10/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well the prints are without a doubt black. One thing I didn't mention earlier is these were found in a cluster, all other finds were individual mushrooms.
Is there anything else these could be? Unfortunately, I don't have access to a camera at the moment. My phone lost a battle with the rain.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: TBJ12]
#21787123 - 06/10/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you cant provide a picture of the black spore prints Im inclined to say those are foesicii. They look near identical to the foensicii I find. Cicntulus tend to have a reddish stem, not a cream coloured stem. When I found my first foensicii I thought the spore print was black too, until I found a real cinctulus to compare it to. Draw a black line with a permnent marker beside your spore print, thats how black it should be.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: Blazeyy] 1
#21787156 - 06/10/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Andjew said: If you're looking for cintulus, I wouldn't pick the panaeolus mushrooms with the brown gills. If you look at your mushrooms you collected, you'll see that there's brown gilled ones and black gilled ones. If the brown gilled mushrooms spore print brown, you most likely have pan foes. You need to spore print panaeolus genus mushrooms because they are told apart by their spore prints and microscopic features. The gills look to dry to print on some of the black gilled ones though.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
EDIT: I'm 95% sure the second picture in your second post is pan foe.
Almost right,the spores are black on cincts you got that one, the gills however start off cream, move to brown, then finally go black.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: TBJ12]
#21787168 - 06/10/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TBJ12 said: Well the prints are without a doubt black. One thing I didn't mention earlier is these were found in a cluster, all other finds were individual mushrooms.
Is there anything else these could be? Unfortunately, I don't have access to a camera at the moment. My phone lost a battle with the rain.
I'm inclined to think you have a mixed collection of P. foenisecii, maybe a P. cinctulus or two, and even maybe a few Psathyrella sp. The latter may have from dark purplish to greyish brown to blackish spore prints, however rarely the jet black of Panaeolus spp.
You need to provide good pictures of the spore prints. Preferably take pictures of your finds in situ, and describe each find from macroscopic features including texture and surface of both cap and stem (also base and apex). If seemingly growing in a cluster, check if they are just growing very close together or if they are actually joined at the base.
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Took the dog for a walk at a local park and found these. There were a ton of foes growing in the grass but, I spotted these growing around trees with wood chips. They are much larger than the foes I've been finding and the print is black.
My apologies for the poor pics, I'll get some better ones up once I get this camera situation figure out.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: TBJ12]
#21787755 - 06/10/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea man some of those do not even look like a Panaeolus sp.
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Re: Subbs or Foes [Re: TBJ12]
#21787766 - 06/10/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The greyish-blackish print could poin in the direction of Psathyrella or Lacrymaria.
The small ones look like some young coprinoids. What did these grow from?
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I do say it seems you have found a few of the good ones, but I am also seeing the foes mixed into the batch.
Definitely try and spore print if you can, foes will not hurt you, occasionally in the past I have been known to keep them with my subbs as filler in my collection and as a serotonin addition (negligible) when I didn't have enough subbs.
Follow anglerfish's advice on the coprinoids. TYou should beable to spot them out and remove them pretty easily soon.
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