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DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent
#21731783 - 05/28/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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While smoking DMT just now, still kina tripping since it's only been about 10 minutes in. But I heard a voice that has been speaking to me a the past few blast I had and it's been saying strange shit to me, starting off with "I'm about to fuck you up." , "Look at me now, you're beautiful.", then "I love you I'm not gonna hurt you.". It also repeats these statements over and over, pretty much until my trip is through.
Anyway, this trip it has been saying the same things, but then it says to me, "You've got schizophrenia, ok?" Then after saying outloud to it that I don't have it, it repeated the same stuff to me and said, "Ok, you don't have schizophenia okay? I lied to you and I'm not gonna do it anymore.
I don't think I have it, I don't hear any sorts of voices at all sober and it's only the 4th time I heard this one. What I do know is I've been smoking DMT quite alot for about 3 months now and it's high time for me to cut the fuck down hard. I need input from you guys as soon as possible, both medical and first-hand experience if possible. Thanks guys.
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Achillita
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: SoundScape]
#21732146 - 05/28/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well if it's only happening while you are on a hallucinatory drug, then it's probably only from the hallucinatory drug.
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mustangbob3
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: Achillita]
#21732166 - 05/28/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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agreed if it dont happen without the dmt and or stops when the high ends then its prob the drug causing like a mini-break. warning signs your mind may be susceptible to such happening. i would quit the dmt for a while. dont mean to sound scary but oneday you may trigger a full blown episode that persists after the drug has left your body and probably will require medication to gain a grip on reality. heed the warning signs- once you have opened that door in your mind you will never be able to lock it again, close it but never lock it.
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: SoundScape]
#21732230 - 05/28/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get similar not voices but intense imagination very dream like as if it's really happening and that's sober just before sleep. I go into this dream state/waking state somewhere in between and it feels very real. I think what you get would be similar do a dream like waking state.
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: SoundScape]
#21732463 - 05/28/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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This sort of material has came up for me both while tripping and while "sober". Try not to question it too much or look for a way to explain it.
Something that helps for me is to actively accept these thoughts and feelings, using my inner voice to say "yes, show me your nature", or simply "yes", and just allow that to reverberate through the psyche. The more you practice this sort of acceptance the less it matters what sort of harsh or scary voices show up. Fear takes many varying forms, and this may very well be one of them.
So if one can understand that these utterances are simply necessary expressions of the mind, complex signals that are very hard to process into conscious language, then it is clear that one need not worry.
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paperbackwriter
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: SoundScape]
#21732533 - 05/28/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hearing voices on DMT is really common.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: paperbackwriter] 2
#21732621 - 05/28/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can't remember any time I've specifically heard a voice. There's always communication, but I don't hear or speak it.
Engaging the language center of the brain while still tripping can be confusing and disorienting. OP could try focusing specifically on not communicating on the next trip and see what happens. Wait until you're completely sober to begin logical analysis. I notice the few times I've tried to speak while still tripping I couldn't pronounce my words and made a fool of myself trying to explain a thought. Speaking in tongues is also something I've seen and mildly experienced.
More relevant though, we have conversations with ourselves naturally every night when we dream. I suspect schizophrenia and dream characters are actually just manifestations of different perspectives of our consciousness. In the dream state, you forget that these beings are branches of yourself, which allows novel interactions and conversation. Therefore you can entertain different ideas and feel like you're getting insight from different perspectives, even if they're your own.
I think that pool of perspectives is constantly processing thoughts even when we're awake and sober, it's just done subconsciously. Suddenly becoming aware of those processes when taking DMT may make you think that they are something else. Just my theory. Maybe paying the perspectives more attention and assigning them identities is beneficial, but I think they'll continue communicating regardless.
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Thayendanegea
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: Icon] 1
#21732785 - 05/28/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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....waiting for Bill Oriely to chime in. I've never heard voices on DMT....especially specifically saying things like that to you....Is there any schizophrenia in your family history?
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: SoundScape]
#21734177 - 05/28/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've had very specific words spoken to me. But, they weren't of any language that I could dig up. They sounded hindu.
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wolf8312
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#21734862 - 05/28/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you actually hearing voices and are they distinguishable from reality itself?
I get all kinds of crazy shit going on with DMT hallucinations (putting it mildly) both auditory and visual but it rarely ever brings about the demonic schizophrenic and delusional type voices -that truly are dangerous- as I have experienced with a mixture of LSD cannabis and panic.
It depends really. Psychosis and how it manifests itself is something quite different in effect to many of the things that can trigger it such as psychedelic drugs, which do in fact have very similar effects especially on paper.
Were I to list all the symptoms, the two experiences would seem identical when in fact they are quite different.
In my opinion and experience a psychotic break is not just a case of seeing and hearing things, and more a question of whether or not one is twisted to such an extent that he actually believes in what he is seeing or hearing. In short delusions is what you should fear not just voices.
Did you feel as if you had lost control over your mind at any point or feel compelled to react to what the voices were telling you?
If not I doubt you have much to worry about.
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21734896 - 05/28/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Hearing voices on DMT is really common.
Take a break from smoking so much Deemz and try again with a small dose, see what happens?
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ak47myth
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: Blazer420]
#21735033 - 05/28/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You said it yourself. You experience none of these schizophrenic symptoms while sober. So i wouldnt worry about it. You should probably take at least a few months off psychedelics. Take a break maybe.
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: ak47myth]
#21735351 - 05/29/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone is actually "schizophrenic" but are not conscious of the fact. Everyone has God and satan in them. DMT and the other Entheogens expand the consciousness and make it possible to hear the different factions.
"The Law, of course, as we well know, is spiritual; but I am unspiritual; I have been sold as a slave to sin. I cannot understand my own behaviour. I fail to carry out the things I want to do, and I find myself doing the very things I hate. When I act against my own will, that means I have a self that acknowledges that the Law is good, and so the thing behaving in that way is not my self but sin living in me. The fact is, I know of nothing good living in me - living, that is, in my unspiritual self - for though the will to do what is good is in me, the performance is not, with the result that instead of doing the good things I want to do, I carry out the sinful things I do not want. When I act against my will, then, it is not my true self doing it, but sin which lives in me." -- Romans, 7, 14 (St. Paul)
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: endogenous]
#21735469 - 05/29/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Forreal, yeah, I think we're all a bit schizophrenic. And I do think it's a good thing sometimes. For me, I'm just very aware of everything around me.
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: Achillita]
#21735567 - 05/29/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Well if it's only happening while you are on a hallucinatory drug, then it's probably only from the hallucinatory drug.
100% correct.
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Re: DMT/Schizophrenia Question, Kinda Urgent [Re: Nature Boy]
#21735750 - 05/29/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You've all been a great help through this and I thank you very much. I'm fine now, the voice sorta faded away into my inner monologue and now I only think about it because I remember some of the things that were repeated to me over and over again. It was pretty annoying, but I was also able to go about my day normally without being very distracted by it. As a matter of fact, since this trip I've noticed I've gotten ALOT better and multitasking and being productive too.
I do think I have some mild schizophrenia, but from what I can tell it's done nothing to harm me, hasn't interferedt with my life, and I'd even go so far as to say that it benefitted me too.
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