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Mercury retrograde
    #21730444 - 05/27/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So mercury is currently retrograde in Libra until June 11th. Mercury rules all forms of communication including but not limited to istening, speaking, learning, reading, editing, researching, negotiating, selling, buying ect. When this planet retrogrades, these areas tend to get scrambled or spin out of control, mercury is not actually moving backwards but appears to be. when a planet retrogrades, astrologically it is in a resting or sleeping state. are any of you guys into astrology? I've been having a lot of issues with communication lately especially technology in particular.... let me know your thoughts. I know some of you think astrology is bullshit but I would like to hear your experiences and opinions !


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21730549 - 05/27/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't believe astrology is bullshit. I know it is.

To counter, why don't you tell us how you know that "Mercury rules all forms of communication" for starters.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21731212 - 05/28/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol.

Do a quick google search and it'll come up. I could sit here and try and prove you wrong and link you to some sources but why would I? It's a waste of my breathe and I'm not going to change your mind. :shrug:

I didn't really make this thread to convince non- believers. I'm just looking for those who are actually into astrology and their experiences with mercury being retrograde.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21731300 - 05/28/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Lamest reply this year.

"Do a search" is NOT a debate tactic.

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It's a waste of my breathe and I'm not going to change your mind.



But its not a waste of breath to make excuses? This sort of weak projection has no place here. If you have solid evidence I will change my mind; if you do not I won't.

Seems your mindset is better suited to M&P as this is a debate-oriented forum not an Agreement Forum.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21731302 - 05/28/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I put my car in retrograde when I leave the driveway.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Sun King]
    #21731454 - 05/28/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



So you drive a Mercury?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21731464 - 05/28/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Sun King]
    #21731488 - 05/28/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21731991 - 05/28/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP - You might have better luck posting this in the spirituality and mysticism forum. If you want open-minded, it's a very welcoming place. This forum is for debating. The problem with astrology is that it can't be explained with logic and so doesn't really fit in this forum. That's not to say it isn't real though :smile:


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732005 - 05/28/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on what you mean by 'real'.

Open-minded does not mean blindly accepting nonsense. It means a willingness to change one's stance when new evidence is presented.



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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21732104 - 05/28/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The horoscopes you get in the newspapers are pretty much a load of rubbish. Most people generally know their sun sign but that's about it. Beyond that there is a whole, detailed system including the positions of and interactions between every single planetary body and the zodiac signs, and the cycle of the moon. Then on top of that you have the interactions between your birth chart (where the planets are when you were born) and the current transits. I've found to be highly accurate in describing my personality and influences in my life in general. But, I cannot prove it :shrug: It's an intuitive thing that makes complete sense if you understand it and it's complexities, but science is nowhere near being able to explain how it works.

I wonder how many people who doubt the validity of astrology have actually studied it in depth.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732192 - 05/28/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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but science is nowhere near being able to explain how it works.




Because it doesn't.

In nearly every single one of these threads, I have asked for the basis of it and have NEVER received an answer, just lots of ducking and dodging and  personal attacks.

Any astrologer who could match signs/readings to people could win $1,000,000 (JREF), but alas not one has even come close.

Fail after fail.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21732250 - 05/28/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The problem is that the kind of evidence you want doesn't exist. Maybe one day science will have advanced enough to be able to explain it, but not yet. Just like a few hundred years ago no one could prove that those twinkling lights in the sky were actually stars.

Matching a chart to a person really isn't at all what astrology is about. Maybe some astrologers might claim to be able to do that, but I wouldn't at all call that the mark of a good astrologer. Not even close. It's a tool to help people understand themselves better, and that is it. As I said, astrology is not logical or rational. It doesn't fit neatly into a box. It has to be understood intuitively, but that doesn't make it any less valid. It just means you have to understand it on a personal level and see how it works for you, not through all of these silly experiments which will never capture  the essence of what it is or what it can do. Not everything is tickbox.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732370 - 05/28/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think astrology is quite well explained through human psychology. This is not a topic for this forum. Spirituality really is a better fit.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21732400 - 05/28/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree completely. Somehow have got drawn into a discussion about astroloogy on PS&P.

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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732693 - 05/28/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mercuriality is not only an astrological term but a literary and poetic term. When someone is "mercurial" this could be referring to how a person manipulates the way things are represented through the formality of discussion or conversation, by cleverness, like by appealing to a formal media of what can and can't be seen for practical reasons due to the mode of discussion, and putting this into play as deception. That would clearly be the negative interpretation of mercuriality.


Maybe our modern world gives the winged footed messenger god- also known as Hermes in Greek pantheon - an impossibly high ideal to stand up to, when communication is taken to be ideally instant and always "transparent", and universal. What would a form or media of communication be in a positive sense, if we had to talk about it and not just take it for granted? Maybe we can seek positive interpretations of what we would maybe otherwise ordinarily think of as a transparent, or negative thing...

Does mercurial aspect in our world mean that there is something through which communication needs to be traveled -something there - as for instance, in what is formally represented by space and time? Or in our age of universality, is this formality just opaqueness and hinderance, or worse, the rascal philosopher's need to "interpret" things, and here ee come to the complete hinderance of a discussion. 

Indeed the term "hermeneutics", which is much used in continental philosophy, is a positive expression of what has been "imposed" or sought in our situation as interpretation.

Hermes would deliver messages between the gods themselves and between the gods and humans, so for that was essential to the greek pantheon. In Homer he delivers the very first historically recorded notion of physis, what we today in some clarity and obscurance, call "nature" or namely its aspect of reality.

(Hermes is also being called Argeiphontes in this passage of Homer).

“So saying, Argeiphontes gave me the herb, drawing it from the ground, and showed me its nature. At the root it was black, but its flower was like milk. [305] Moly the gods call it, and it is hard for mortal men to dig; but with the gods all things are possible."

Odyssey 10.302


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21733664 - 05/28/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think astrology is quite well explained through human psychology. This is not a topic for this forum. Spirituality really is a better fit.




I disagree, it is a topic for this forum, I don't think it does what you think it does, but I do think it works as a template for understanding some things including some things psychological which is a topic for this forum. I think what Redgreenvines had to say about it is what it does is a good summary of one of the things it can do.
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we have a lot of knowledge about human types,
even little kids seem to know at a glance a fair bit about a new person entering the room.
lots of prejudice and expectation
some we like and some we are not happy to see.

astrology basically summarizes the types in a kind of relational database with the constellations as a mnemonic set of keys.

the computations are whacked but fun exercises in the mnemonic theories of types




from here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16380747#16380747


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Kurt]
    #21733689 - 05/28/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Kurt said: When someone is "mercurial" this could be referring to how a person manipulates the way things are represented through the formality of discussion or conversation, by cleverness, like by appealing to a formal media of what can and can't be seen for practical reasons due to the mode of discussion, and putting this into play as deception. That would clearly be the negative interpretation of mercuriality.





Yes, but it can also be instructive if the manipulation is easily spotted or there's cues left in the way it's presented that let you know that.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21734790 - 05/28/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is that the kind of evidence you want doesn't exist. Maybe one day science will have advanced enough to be able to explain it, but not yet.



It has already explained it. It is called cultural brainwashing, confirmation bias, selective memory and wishful thinking.

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Just like a few hundred years ago no one could prove that those twinkling lights in the sky were actually stars.



Nothing at all like that.

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but I wouldn't at all call that the mark of a good astrologer



And what is your metric for deciding who is a 'good' one?

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As I said, astrology is not logical or rational.



Yay! You got one right. :cheer:

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It has to be understood intuitively, but that doesn't make it any less valid



Of course it does. It you can demonstrate your intuition to be infallible then you might have a case, but you can't.

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not through all of these silly experiments which will never capture  the essence of what it is or what it can do



If something can be demonstrated to one person it can be demonstrated to others. Science is not something out there or in a laboratory. It is about observation, testability and repeatability. All three characteristics which you indirectly claim for astrology then casually discard when pressed.

Your whole post makes me incredibly sad.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: falcon]
    #21734797 - 05/28/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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but I do think it works as a template




Do you even know what a template is?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21735357 - 05/29/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah this is the debate forum so you would have better luck with astrology in another thread I think this stuff is interesting and I know exactly how the people on this site can be.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21735583 - 05/29/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What makes a good astrologer? Certainly not the ability to match a chart to a person. Astrology is about looking at the chart, looking at the problem or query the person has and using the chart to help the person with said issue. The mark of a good astrologer is whether or not they have helped a person understand themselves and their lives better. It's like saying "What is the mark of a good counselor?" Surely the judgment as to whether or not the person was a good counselor, or a good astrologer, is how the client feels at the end of it?

I mean, how did they "prove" that counselling was even effective treatment for certain mental health issues? Surely they did studies with control groups etc. And how did they measure they outcome? By the number of participants who saw an improvement in their mental health issues surely? So, to test whether astrology is really accurate, you need a double-blind experiment where one group of participants go and sit with a real astrologer and discuss their real charts/issues. A second control group go and sit with an astrologer who is telling them about the wrong chart. If more people in group 1 believe their reading was accurate than the people in the control group, voila, evidence. I do firmly believe that any kind of study would need to include an actual face to face meeting and discussion between participant and astrologer though, because astrology needs to be personalised to be really effective. Not just a list of traits. Which is why all of this rubbish about matching people with charts is nonsense.



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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21735618 - 05/29/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've just been doing some reading about various astrological studies that have been done over the years and it's very interesting. In particular I found this article which suggests that there have been historical studies done that have suggested the validity of astrology. Also, that the more recent Carlson study in 2009 was not only flawed in it's methodology, but did actually have some results that supported astrology. I realise the article might be slightly biased, but it's interesting reading nonetheless.

Support for Astrology from the Carlson Double-Blind Experiment


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    #21735629 - 05/29/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Biased shit can be smelled from a mile away.

its practically impossible to find anything unbiased.

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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21735748 - 05/29/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a Saturn man. :sirius: It was cool to consider how Mercury's retrograde could possibly influence people's experience. Gravity cycles I suppose, like frequencies in a computer chip. :earth:


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    #21735774 - 05/29/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

can this thing turn my life around?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21735807 - 05/29/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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can this thing turn my life around?




It could inspire you to move to live in the mountains in a place like Colorado or Oregon, go in to town to stock up on your own personal pot stash :stash:, and then chart out the movements of the planets and stars for yourself :sirius:, and then with a kick-ass telescope go out into the night sky and see for yourself, see how doing that makes you feel. :sun:
Or any other variant of how you could incorporate an interest in the movement of celestial bodies into your current, present life. :earth: :levitate:


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: fireworks_god]
    #21735820 - 05/29/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

can i get babes with this knowledge  :mitebecool:


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21736308 - 05/29/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Biased shit can be smelled from a mile away.

its practically impossible to find anything unbiased.

:sad:





As usual, not one believer of astrology has ever listed the basis for it on this forum. And will not because there is none.

If something works as well as the claimants say it does, it does not take decades of manipulating meta-data to make it seem like it almost, sort of, has some validity slightly better than guessing.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21736346 - 05/29/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Gold prices and astrology: http://astrologynewsservice.com/news/astrological-study-on-gold-prices-hits-the-mother-load/

This is a classic example of the kind of back-fitting of data that astrologer's attempt. This is a no-no in valid research.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21737769 - 05/29/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't believe astrology is bullshit. I know it is.

To counter, why don't you tell us how you know that "Mercury rules all forms of communication" for starters.




Hey, I have a general epistemelogical question: do you consider claiming knowledge prior to conjecture, to be consistent with empirical standards of evaluation?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21737870 - 05/29/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is that the kind of evidence you want doesn't exist. Maybe one day science will have advanced enough to be able to explain it, but not yet. Just like a few hundred years ago no one could prove that those twinkling lights in the sky were actually stars.





No, that is not the problem.  The problem is that science can only describe and predict phenomenon that are observed.  Scientific theories will never be able to describe hypothesized phenomenon that are unobserved.

The observation of people seeing patterns where they don't really exist and feeling their way to conclusions has been studied scientifically.  There have been experiments done, papers published and even jargon like "confirmation bias" which has entered into the common language.

You said it yourself, the evidence doesn't exist.  Whatever other "kind of evidence" you are thinking of is not evidence.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: falcon]
    #21738021 - 05/29/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Kurt said: When someone is "mercurial" this could be referring to how a person manipulates the way things are represented through the formality of discussion or conversation, by cleverness, like by appealing to a formal media of what can and can't be seen for practical reasons due to the mode of discussion, and putting this into play as deception. That would clearly be the negative interpretation of mercuriality.





Yes, but it can also be instructive if the manipulation is easily spotted or there's cues left in the way it's presented that let you know that.




I generally would say I agree that it can be seen as possibly useful and constructive aspect or character trait. What I was referring to was admittedly a colloquial meaning, that stresses negativity... as in "watch out he is mercurial"... I can't think of hearing of or any references to mercuriality (as human quality) on a more positive note, but maybe you can?

... I don't like pedagogues in general let alone clever ones as "well intentioned" as they may be in mediating discussion. Sometimes the student surpasses the teacher, in a single moment...
In principle, I like evengroundedness in speaking and communication, and I think (or its at least my opinion) my better teachers represented that.


I'd say I like Hermes or mercury to deliver and bring my message without any unneccesary hassle. I think its interesting that his job is to close the distance he stands for.

I'd say it could be in remediating accidents that mercuriality holds a positive meaning, like in things being passed along, down through history. Ideas are interpreted and reinterpreted and need to be retrieved in their essence - at least some philosophers say!

Maybe it is literally needing to cross a distance to send a message, or figuretively crossing a length of exposition of ideas that nobody wishes to read, but which have truth and relavency and need to be covered to be expressed, that is mercury?

Mercury to me represents lightness or lightening of the medium, like the winged shoe.

But I don't know, maybe in the way communication is perceived as instant and ideally transparent today, it is such to the extent that we have to play games, or give it a little substance, weight, and opacity to Mercury's over-light bearing?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21738389 - 05/29/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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but I do think it works as a template




Do you even know what a template is?




Maybe, maybe I just like the sound of the words template, templar, temple. Maybe words have more than one meaning. Maybe words can be stretched to encompass other meanings when placed next to other words, altered by the contextual space they exist in at the moment of utterance.

There's those letter templates, I've always thought of them as two dimensional, even though without that third dimension that's doing all work capturing paint or serving as a barrier to some marking instrument. Then there's those templates that well, there more on the order of molds and people call them templates anyway. I've often thought, Do they even know what a template is?, I'm inclined to think that they do now, but maybe that template word just got stretched into something that just a little too plastic to grasp. Oh and what about that template, that's not even substantial?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Kurt]
    #21738446 - 05/29/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Kurt said: When someone is "mercurial" this could be referring to how a person manipulates the way things are represented through the formality of discussion or conversation, by cleverness, like by appealing to a formal media of what can and can't be seen for practical reasons due to the mode of discussion, and putting this into play as deception. That would clearly be the negative interpretation of mercuriality.





Yes, but it can also be instructive if the manipulation is easily spotted or there's cues left in the way it's presented that let you know that.




I generally would say I agree that it can be seen as possibly useful and constructive aspect or character trait. What I was referring to was admittedly a colloquial meaning, that stresses negativity... as in "watch out he is mercurial". I can't think of hearing of or any referencesa to mercuriality on a more positive note...

But anyway, I don't like pedagogues, in general let alone clever ones as "well intentioned" as they may be in mediating discussion. Sometimes the student surpasses the teacher, in a single moment.
In principle, I like evengroundedness in speaking and communication, and I think (or its at least my opinion) my better teachers represented that.


I'd say I like Hermes or mercury to deliver and bring my message without any unneccesary hassle, and in an interesting way, his job is to close the distance he stands for.

I'd say it could be due to a matter of remediating accidents that mercuriality holds a positive meaning, like in things being passed along, down through history. Ideas are interpreted and reinterpreted and need to be retrieved in their essence, at least some philosophers say!

Maybe it is literally needing to cross a distance to send a message, or perhaps figuretively crossing a length of exposition of ideas that nobody wishes to read, but which have truth and relavency and need to be traversed to be expressed.

Mercury to me represents lightness or lightening of the medium, like the winged shoe.

But I don't know, maybe in the way communication is perceived as instant and ideally transparent today, it is such to the extent that we have to play games, or give it a little substance, weight, and opacity to Mercury's over-light bearing?




Hm, people who I think of as Mercurial, are interesting, but only for short periods of time.


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    #21738570 - 05/29/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah. dictionary definition says mercuriality is someone with fast changing moods or mind. (Semantics as mercuriality?)


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    #21738589 - 05/29/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I also think there's an aspect of fluidity, in people who I think are mercurial, probably for me an association with the element, but the changes in those who I think of as mercurial aren't totally disconnected, and fluidity seems appropriate.


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    #21738760 - 05/29/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's cute when hippies take their silly ideas seriously:smile:


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    #21739161 - 05/29/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

On scale its almost like the idea that this forum or statements in it like yours stand for some kind of epistemelogical conjecture. Too cute. :-)


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    #21739167 - 05/29/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey if you believe in silly ideas that's fine, but don't get butt hurt when someone points out your ideas have no real evidence what so ever.  If you don't like that maybe spirituality and mysticism is a better suited forum for you. 


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    #21739262 - 05/29/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay have a good evening cognitive shift :undecided:


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    #21739506 - 05/30/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So mercury is currently retrograde in Libra until June 11th. Mercury rules all forms of communication including but not limited to istening, speaking, learning, reading, editing, researching, negotiating, selling, buying ect. When this planet retrogrades, these areas tend to get scrambled or spin out of control, mercury is not actually moving backwards but appears to be. when a planet retrogrades, astrologically it is in a resting or sleeping state. are any of you guys into astrology? I've been having a lot of issues with communication lately especially technology in particular.... let me know your thoughts. I know some of you think astrology is bullshit but I would like to hear your experiences and opinions !




This will clear things up for you I'm sure.



I meant to post this as a joke, but they're actually talking about astrology stuff! Something about chaos? I didn't actually read the lyrics. I thought it was about a car when I listened to it years ago haha.

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My mercury's in retrograde

This is not the time, the time to start a new love
This is not the time, the time to sign a lease
Try not to worry about whats forgotten
Try not to worry about whats been missed
Scars on shins and scars on my knuckles
Today I woke up in a basketball court
Jonjo's in Sydney and he aint returning
Im sitting in soho trying to stay drunk

In any bar in the world
From Silverlake to Williamsburg
You could pick another stranger
And fall in love

My mercury's in retrograde

This is not the time, the tie to start a new love
This is not the time, the time to sign a lease
Try not to worry about whats forgotten
Try not to worry about whats been missed
Bleeding gums and veins protruding
You're starting to hate all of your clothes
Neumayrs in LA and she aint returning
Im sleeping with people I don't even like

My mercury's in retrograde

When I say you last night
I wanted to say, run away with me
Away from the cynics
That this could be the start of
Something truly real...
But all that I could say was "hey"

My mercury's in retrograde




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    #21739732 - 05/30/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is that the kind of evidence you want doesn't exist. Maybe one day science will have advanced enough to be able to explain it, but not yet. Just like a few hundred years ago no one could prove that those twinkling lights in the sky were actually stars.





No, that is not the problem.  The problem is that science can only describe and predict phenomenon that are observed.  Scientific theories will never be able to describe hypothesized phenomenon that are unobserved.

The observation of people seeing patterns where they don't really exist and feeling their way to conclusions has been studied scientifically.  There have been experiments done, papers published and even jargon like "confirmation bias" which has entered into the common language.

You said it yourself, the evidence doesn't exist.  Whatever other "kind of evidence" you are thinking of is not evidence.




I am fully aware of confirmation bias and what it is. If you read my other posts in this thread you will see that I have given an example of a suitable experiment I believe could reliably test the validity of astrology. The problem with many of the studies to date has been the limited nature of their approach, using generalised readings and trying to match people to their charts which is missing the entire point.

But just looking at studies that have been done so far, here are some quotes from the article I posted discussing the validity of one of the most famous studies refuting the validity of astrology.



"The other part of Carlson’s experiment tested 83 student volunteers to see if they could correctly choose their own natal chart interpretations written by the astrologers. Volunteers were divided into a test group and a control group. Members of the test group were each given three choices, all of the same Sun sign, one of which was interpreted from their natal chart (Carlson, 1985: 421). Similarly, each member of the control group received three choices, all of the same Sun Sign, except none of the choices was interpreted from their natal charts, although one choice was randomly selected as “correct” for the purpose of the test.

For the results of this test, Carlson shows a comparison of the frequencies of the correct chart as first, second, and third choices for the test group and the control group (again ignoring his stated protocol to combine the frequencies of the first two choices). He finds that the results are “all consistent with the scientific hypothesis” (Carlson, 1985: 424). However, he does note an unexpected result for the control group, which was able to choose the correct chart at a very high frequency. He calculates this to be at 2.34 standard deviations above chance (p = .01). Yet, because this result occurred in the control group, which was not given their own interpretations, Carlson interprets this as a “statistical fluctuation.”

Yet the size of this statistical fluctuation is so unusual as to attract skepticism, particularly in light of Carlson’s other results. It is reasonable to think that the astrologers could write good quality chart interpretations after having successfully matched charts with CPI profiles. Yet, according to Carlson’s classification, the test group tended to avoid the astrologers’ correct interpretations and choose the two random interpretations, while the control group tended to choose the selected “correct” interpretations by a wide margin, as if they, the controls, had been the actual test subjects (Ertel, 2009: 132). This raises suspicion that the data might have been switched, perhaps inadvertently, but this is unverifiable speculation (Vidmar, 2008)."



Hmmmm, doesn't anyone find this a little bit strange??


"Like the participating astrologers, the student volunteers were also given a rating test; in this case for the sample chart interpretations they were given. They were asked to rate, on a scale of 1 to 10, the accuracy of each subsection of the natal chart interpretations written by the astrologers. “The specific categories which astrologers were required to address were: (1) personality/temperment [sic]; (2) relationships; (3) education; (4) career/goals; and (5) current situation” (Carlson, 1985: 422). This test would potentially have high interest to astrologers because of the distinction it made between personality and current situation, which is a distinction that is not typically covered in personality tests. Also, the higher sensitivity of a rating test could provide insight, at least as confirmation or denial, into the extraordinary statistical fluctuation seen in the three-choice ranking test.

However, based on a few unexpected results, Carlson decided that there was no guarantee that the participants had followed his instructions for this test. “When the first few data envelopes were opened, we noticed that on any interpretation selected as a subject’s first choice, nearly all the subsections were also rated as first choice” (Carlson, 1985: 424). On the basis of this unanticipated consistency, Carlson rejected the volunteers’ rating test without reporting the results."



And this is supposed to be a fair un-biased study? If you read the whole article, it's like there was no way for the results to come out any other way.

http://astrologynewsservice.com/articles/support-for-astrology-from-the-carlson-double-blind-experiment/


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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