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Mercury retrograde
    #21730444 - 05/27/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So mercury is currently retrograde in Libra until June 11th. Mercury rules all forms of communication including but not limited to istening, speaking, learning, reading, editing, researching, negotiating, selling, buying ect. When this planet retrogrades, these areas tend to get scrambled or spin out of control, mercury is not actually moving backwards but appears to be. when a planet retrogrades, astrologically it is in a resting or sleeping state. are any of you guys into astrology? I've been having a lot of issues with communication lately especially technology in particular.... let me know your thoughts. I know some of you think astrology is bullshit but I would like to hear your experiences and opinions !


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21730549 - 05/27/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't believe astrology is bullshit. I know it is.

To counter, why don't you tell us how you know that "Mercury rules all forms of communication" for starters.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21731212 - 05/28/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol.

Do a quick google search and it'll come up. I could sit here and try and prove you wrong and link you to some sources but why would I? It's a waste of my breathe and I'm not going to change your mind. :shrug:

I didn't really make this thread to convince non- believers. I'm just looking for those who are actually into astrology and their experiences with mercury being retrograde.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21731300 - 05/28/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Lamest reply this year.

"Do a search" is NOT a debate tactic.

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It's a waste of my breathe and I'm not going to change your mind.



But its not a waste of breath to make excuses? This sort of weak projection has no place here. If you have solid evidence I will change my mind; if you do not I won't.

Seems your mindset is better suited to M&P as this is a debate-oriented forum not an Agreement Forum.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21731302 - 05/28/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I put my car in retrograde when I leave the driveway.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Sun King]
    #21731454 - 05/28/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



So you drive a Mercury?


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21731464 - 05/28/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Sun King]
    #21731488 - 05/28/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: psych_fck]
    #21731991 - 05/28/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP - You might have better luck posting this in the spirituality and mysticism forum. If you want open-minded, it's a very welcoming place. This forum is for debating. The problem with astrology is that it can't be explained with logic and so doesn't really fit in this forum. That's not to say it isn't real though :smile:


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732005 - 05/28/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on what you mean by 'real'.

Open-minded does not mean blindly accepting nonsense. It means a willingness to change one's stance when new evidence is presented.



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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21732104 - 05/28/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The horoscopes you get in the newspapers are pretty much a load of rubbish. Most people generally know their sun sign but that's about it. Beyond that there is a whole, detailed system including the positions of and interactions between every single planetary body and the zodiac signs, and the cycle of the moon. Then on top of that you have the interactions between your birth chart (where the planets are when you were born) and the current transits. I've found to be highly accurate in describing my personality and influences in my life in general. But, I cannot prove it :shrug: It's an intuitive thing that makes complete sense if you understand it and it's complexities, but science is nowhere near being able to explain how it works.

I wonder how many people who doubt the validity of astrology have actually studied it in depth.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732192 - 05/28/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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but science is nowhere near being able to explain how it works.




Because it doesn't.

In nearly every single one of these threads, I have asked for the basis of it and have NEVER received an answer, just lots of ducking and dodging and  personal attacks.

Any astrologer who could match signs/readings to people could win $1,000,000 (JREF), but alas not one has even come close.

Fail after fail.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21732250 - 05/28/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The problem is that the kind of evidence you want doesn't exist. Maybe one day science will have advanced enough to be able to explain it, but not yet. Just like a few hundred years ago no one could prove that those twinkling lights in the sky were actually stars.

Matching a chart to a person really isn't at all what astrology is about. Maybe some astrologers might claim to be able to do that, but I wouldn't at all call that the mark of a good astrologer. Not even close. It's a tool to help people understand themselves better, and that is it. As I said, astrology is not logical or rational. It doesn't fit neatly into a box. It has to be understood intuitively, but that doesn't make it any less valid. It just means you have to understand it on a personal level and see how it works for you, not through all of these silly experiments which will never capture  the essence of what it is or what it can do. Not everything is tickbox.


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732370 - 05/28/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think astrology is quite well explained through human psychology. This is not a topic for this forum. Spirituality really is a better fit.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21732400 - 05/28/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree completely. Somehow have got drawn into a discussion about astroloogy on PS&P.

:justkillmenow:


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~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21732693 - 05/28/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mercuriality is not only an astrological term but a literary and poetic term. When someone is "mercurial" this could be referring to how a person manipulates the way things are represented through the formality of discussion or conversation, by cleverness, like by appealing to a formal media of what can and can't be seen for practical reasons due to the mode of discussion, and putting this into play as deception. That would clearly be the negative interpretation of mercuriality.


Maybe our modern world gives the winged footed messenger god- also known as Hermes in Greek pantheon - an impossibly high ideal to stand up to, when communication is taken to be ideally instant and always "transparent", and universal. What would a form or media of communication be in a positive sense, if we had to talk about it and not just take it for granted? Maybe we can seek positive interpretations of what we would maybe otherwise ordinarily think of as a transparent, or negative thing...

Does mercurial aspect in our world mean that there is something through which communication needs to be traveled -something there - as for instance, in what is formally represented by space and time? Or in our age of universality, is this formality just opaqueness and hinderance, or worse, the rascal philosopher's need to "interpret" things, and here ee come to the complete hinderance of a discussion. 

Indeed the term "hermeneutics", which is much used in continental philosophy, is a positive expression of what has been "imposed" or sought in our situation as interpretation.

Hermes would deliver messages between the gods themselves and between the gods and humans, so for that was essential to the greek pantheon. In Homer he delivers the very first historically recorded notion of physis, what we today in some clarity and obscurance, call "nature" or namely its aspect of reality.

(Hermes is also being called Argeiphontes in this passage of Homer).

“So saying, Argeiphontes gave me the herb, drawing it from the ground, and showed me its nature. At the root it was black, but its flower was like milk. [305] Moly the gods call it, and it is hard for mortal men to dig; but with the gods all things are possible."

Odyssey 10.302


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21733664 - 05/28/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think astrology is quite well explained through human psychology. This is not a topic for this forum. Spirituality really is a better fit.




I disagree, it is a topic for this forum, I don't think it does what you think it does, but I do think it works as a template for understanding some things including some things psychological which is a topic for this forum. I think what Redgreenvines had to say about it is what it does is a good summary of one of the things it can do.
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we have a lot of knowledge about human types,
even little kids seem to know at a glance a fair bit about a new person entering the room.
lots of prejudice and expectation
some we like and some we are not happy to see.

astrology basically summarizes the types in a kind of relational database with the constellations as a mnemonic set of keys.

the computations are whacked but fun exercises in the mnemonic theories of types




from here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16380747#16380747


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: Kurt]
    #21733689 - 05/28/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Kurt said: When someone is "mercurial" this could be referring to how a person manipulates the way things are represented through the formality of discussion or conversation, by cleverness, like by appealing to a formal media of what can and can't be seen for practical reasons due to the mode of discussion, and putting this into play as deception. That would clearly be the negative interpretation of mercuriality.





Yes, but it can also be instructive if the manipulation is easily spotted or there's cues left in the way it's presented that let you know that.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: PocketLady]
    #21734790 - 05/28/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is that the kind of evidence you want doesn't exist. Maybe one day science will have advanced enough to be able to explain it, but not yet.



It has already explained it. It is called cultural brainwashing, confirmation bias, selective memory and wishful thinking.

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Just like a few hundred years ago no one could prove that those twinkling lights in the sky were actually stars.



Nothing at all like that.

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but I wouldn't at all call that the mark of a good astrologer



And what is your metric for deciding who is a 'good' one?

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As I said, astrology is not logical or rational.



Yay! You got one right. :cheer:

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It has to be understood intuitively, but that doesn't make it any less valid



Of course it does. It you can demonstrate your intuition to be infallible then you might have a case, but you can't.

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not through all of these silly experiments which will never capture  the essence of what it is or what it can do



If something can be demonstrated to one person it can be demonstrated to others. Science is not something out there or in a laboratory. It is about observation, testability and repeatability. All three characteristics which you indirectly claim for astrology then casually discard when pressed.

Your whole post makes me incredibly sad.


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Re: Mercury retrograde [Re: falcon]
    #21734797 - 05/28/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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but I do think it works as a template




Do you even know what a template is?


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