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help with shaktipat and sexual energy
#21730079 - 05/27/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I have posted about recieving shaktipat before and it seems to effect me very strongly.
Lately I have noticed that when I receive shaktipat, the following day my sexual drive goes absolutely insane. I cannot stop thinking about sex all day long and it is absolutely ridiculous and annoying. I think it is because the energy I am receiving is being blocked somewhere and then it is trying to discharge in the form of sexual energy, since the kundalani and sexual energy are the same energy.
But the effect I am getting is so bad, it turns me into a total pervert for 1-2 days following. Should I stop recieving shaktipat?
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21730159 - 05/27/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey throw some of that shaktipat this way then.. no what is shaktipat exactly and why are you getting it or want it if it affects you so negatively
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Xena]
#21733385 - 05/28/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shaktipat is a tranmission of the spiritual energy of the Self, from teacher to student. If you would like some thrown your way, go to http://lovebliss.eu/
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21733866 - 05/28/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am also having problems with kryas (sp?) when i feel resistance, I try to let go of it, but if I let go then BOOM suddenly my body jerks and it can be quite uncomfortable. This makes me scared to let go, so I keep resisting.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21735752 - 05/29/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if this helps, but there are three main granthis (barrier or knots) which prevent kundalini from rising up the spine. The first one is at the root chakra, then one between the solar plexus and heart, and then one at the throat. Before kundalini can rise you have to get rid of these main barriers (and other blockages too). So, it's possible that one of these might be causing your problem. There are specific practices that one can do to remove them, but really it needs to be done under guidance of a teacher.
I am hoping to receive shaktipat from my teacher in the near future, but personally I would be very wary about receiving shaktipat or messing around with kundalini without direct guidance from a teacher you can actually talk to about these issues. I would want someone there to help guide me through the process, as it seems it can be very difficult in places. Kundalini is a powerful energy to work with and can cause big problems if things aren't done in the right order or way.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: PocketLady]
#21737429 - 05/29/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, its a little late for that LOL. I've been messing with Kundalini for over a year now. My kundalini is active and flowing and I think some of it has lodged in my brain, which is very desirable, but most of it is being cut off in the blockages, bouncing around my system and then trying to discharge as sexual energy.
I am now feeling as though kundalini is a difficult path to enlightenment (unless you are really into meditation and have a proper teacher, then it is an incredible shortcut) although in no way do I regret the work I have done with kundalini.
Lately however, I am being much more drawn to my Catholic faith. I feel as though, for me at least, my relationship with God through Jesus Christ and my church is by far the quickest, easiest path toward living in happiness, peace and gratitude. I can call upon Jesus, and he is there for me. I can call upon St. Michael and he is there for me. I can call upon the blessed mother, and she is there for me. With them, I don't get any unpleasant side effects like I do with kundalini, nor do I feel as "stuck" as in not knowing what to do next, because there seems to always be room to deepen my love for God and my faith in Him, whether through prayer, worship, study, keeping of the commandments, entheogens, or service to others. I am continually amazed by the depth and the richness of Christian thought and the sacred mysteries I have encountered by going to Mass. It goes way beyond anything I have experienced with kundalini, or any other form of spirituality.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21739790 - 05/30/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Personally I believe that Kundalini (in various forms) is the secret at the heart of all religious traditions. One way or another, it has to rise to reach permanent states of elevated consciousness. But there are different ways of going about it. The actual rising of Kundalini in the yogic tradition is like you say, it can be quite difficult, but that can be reduced by having a good teacher. In alchemy and hermeticism, the process is slightly different but involves alchemical cooking and transmutation. It still has the same effect, but the process is more gradual and smooth.
Even in the bible this process is referred to:
Numbers 21:8 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
And there are many passages like that which have symbolic meaning, the entire Book of Revelations for example. At least that's my interpretation anyway. At the end of the day you've got to do what feels right to you though, and follow your gut.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: PocketLady]
#21739856 - 05/30/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh no, I totally agree with you. I didn't mean to say kundalini wasn't necessary or anything like that. What I meant was, one doesn't necessarily need to work directly with kundalini as their path in order for that to happen.
For instance Ramana Maharshi taught that kundalini must rise and lodge in the brain in order for enlightenment to occur, but he never taught any methods or techniques for working with kundalini or even talked about it very often to my knowledge. Rather he taught the path of entering into the heart center and said that when one is fully established in the heart, kundalini will begin to rise automatically.
Also, according to Jan Essman (whose teachings I recommend if you are interested in kundalini) it is possible to reach self-realization without kundalini but self-realization is not the final stage of enlightenment.
Lately I have been working with the aminita muscaria mushroom. THis mushroom contains God's refining fire and has the power to dissolve all identification structures. The mushroom has shown me the Eternal Light that bursts forth from the dark void. It seems to be that with continued use and faithfully following the Christian faith, one can transform oneself into light. I am guessing that when this process is complete, the blockages that prevent kundalini from rising through the spine will be destroyed and full enlightenment will occur.
This is an interesting discussion though, for example Jan Essman has criticized Zen saying that Zen provides no way to reach full enlightenment because it only focuses on the void aspect of realization. Yet, Zen masters must get enlightened soemhow. My theory is that when they reach a certain level kundalini rises automatically.
But like I said, I dont regret working with my kundalini. I can feel it active in my body and I feel as though some of it has already lodged in my brain, which is a wonderful thing. All I am saying is that rather than spending hours and hours meditating on kundalini (as Jan advises) I feel more drawn to the path of prayer and surrender to God. The heart centered path.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21739866 - 05/30/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, I completely get that I was given the opportunity to try and rise kundalini directly by my teacher, but decided that I preferred the smoother, steadier path for the time being. But like you say, all roads lead to Rome eventually. Horses for courses. Glad you've found what's working for you
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21740083 - 05/30/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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my understanding of kundalini from this site that I follow is this:
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Ascension is not about the kundalini rising. It is about paying your karma. If you raise the kundalini before its time you will do yourself some damage. The kundalini rises of it's own accord at the 5th initiation. To raise it before it is ready and before all the karma and dross is cleared from your chakras (as it passes from the base to the crown via the chakras up the sushumna channel) then the karma and dross will misdirect the kundalini into the minor channels and nadis that definitely aren't created to take this powerful energy. The result can be mental illness and lifelong pain. If you get a sore base chakra please stop any kundalini meditations. If you feel you have a feeling like crawling within your body, this can be the damaged nadi's. If you find it hard to lift anything due to pain in the head, this can be damaged nadi's. Kundalini meditation was created in the time of the kali yuga when it took a lot for humanity to raise their vibration. These are the times of ascension and old systems can be harmful in these times of ascension as the Mother Earth raises her vibration.
it's my understanding that as Deviate says, kundalini rises on its own accord during the process of enlightenment (which is probably why Ramana Maharshi didn't teach techniques to raise it). while you can also instigate the arising of kundalini, there can be problems with this according to many people I've read so that's also why it's usually said it's very important to work with a qualified teacher if you choose that path
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: deff]
#21740783 - 05/30/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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haven't read through the thread yet, but to the op, i would say yes; if it such a distraction, i would say set it aside.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: Deviate]
#21744034 - 05/31/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate said: For instance Ramana Maharshi taught that kundalini must rise and lodge in the brain in order for enlightenment to occur, but he never taught any methods or techniques for working with kundalini or even talked about it very often to my knowledge. Rather he taught the path of entering into the heart center and said that when one is fully established in the heart, kundalini will begin to rise automatically.
That's mostly true, Ramana also said that raising the Kundalini from the coccyx to the sahasrara was incomplete and that it must come down to the Heart to be complete, here he describes it in detail, i think it's relevant to your original question too...
Question : How to churn up the nadis [psychic nerves] so that the kundalini may go up the sushumna? Ramana Maharshi : Though the yogi may have his methods of breath control for this object, the jnani's method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self, the shakti or kundalini, which is not apart from the Self, rises automatically.
The yogis attach the highest importance to sending the kundalini up to the sahasrara, the brain centre or the thousand petalled lotus. They point out the scriptural statement that the lifecurrent enters the body through the fontanelle and argue that viyoga [separation] having come about that way, yoga [union] must also be effected in the reverse way.
Therefore, they say, we must by yoga practice gather up the pranas and enter the fontanelle for the consummation of yoga. The jnanis on the other hand point out that the yogi assumes the existence of the body and its separateness from the Self. Only if this standpoint of separateness is adopted can the yogi advise effort for reunion by the practice of yoga.
In fact the body is in the mind which has the brain for its seat. That the brain functions by light borrowed from another source is admitted by the yogis themselves in their fontanelle theory. The jnani further argues: if the light is borrowed it must come from its native source. Go to the source direct and do not depend on borrowed resources.
That source is the Heart, the Self. The Self does not come from anywhere else and enter the body through the crown of the head. It is as it is, ever sparkling, ever steady, unmoving and unchanging. The individual confines himself to the limits of the changeful body or of the mind which derives its existence from the unchanging Self.
All that is necessary is to give up this mistaken identity, and that done, the ever-shining Self will be seen to be the single non-dual reality. If one concentrates on the sahasrara there is no doubt that the ecstasy of samadhi ensues. The vasanas, that is the latent mental tendencies, are not however destroyed. The yogi is therefore bound to wake up from the samadhi because release from bondage has not yet been accomplished.
He must still try to eradicate the vasanas inherent in him so that they cease to disturb the peace of his samadhi. So he passes down from the sahasrara to the Heart through what is called the jivanadi, which is only a continuation of the sushumna.
The sushumna is thus a curve. It starts from the lowest chakra, rises through the spinal cord to the brain and from there bends down and ends in the Heart. When the yogi has reached the Heart, the samadhi becomes permanent. Thus we see that the Heart is the final centre.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: deff]
#21744194 - 05/31/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes that kind of fits my understanding of it deff. The ida and pingala must be perfectly balanced, otherwise sushumna will not be open and able to take the energy and it will flow up ida or pingala instead and cause problems.
As well as the physical effects, if you raise Kundalini whilst you still have big karmic blockages then it can also amplify them to an extreme, presenting major issues in your life for you to deal with.
I'm not sure about the old system/new system thing. I think it is a matter of choice. If done under the right conditions, with the right preparation, and with a good teacher, it can be done safely it seems. However, there are other methods which are smoother, that still work with energy within the body directly, which both remove the karmic blockages and raise the energy upwards. Then you have other methods, a multitude of practices and paths and traditions. But ultimately it is just a matter of what feels like the right path for the individual at the time.
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Re: help with shaktipat and sexual energy [Re: PocketLady]
#21744197 - 05/31/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then you have other methods, a multitude of practices and paths and traditions. But ultimately it is just a matter of what feels like the right path for the individual at the time.
absolutely !
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