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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm much more terrified of Psilocybin then LSD. LSD tends to be puppy and rainbows to me, SUPER introspective. Mushrooms tend to be more sinister, like an older brother or sister toying and fucking with you for it's own amusement.
That's unusual, it's more often the opposite, with so much 70s art of mushrooms, rainbows, butterflies and sunny skies. But yeah, on the experience I mentioned, I quite agree with the sinister aspect. I used the word chthonic, which I gleaned from Jung.:
chthonic |ˈTHänik| (also chthonian |ˈTHōnēən| ) adjective concerning, belonging to, or inhabiting the underworld: a chthonic deity. ORIGIN late 19th cent.: from Greek khthōn ‘earth’ + -ic.
LSD can. be the Unmitigated Clear Light of the Void, the Wrathful Deities expressing the Brain Center and the experience of OM at that center, like a beam from Shiva's Ajna, annihilating form, naked consciousness (like in The Beatle's White Album, Revolution 9, an acid trip wherein one hears - "It makes you naked"). Personally though, I think it' about dosage and method of delivery for either substance. It can be like Revolution 9, or like Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.
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Yeah I mean these compounds present them selves in different ways in different people. I've had positive trips and difficult trips on both substances so I can't say with any absolutes anything about each drug. IMO I think set and setting and dose is just as important if not more so then the substance in the classical psychedelics.
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There are lots of potential variables with set & setting, and dosage being the most obvious. Diet has an effect. But there are a host of subtle variables: time of day/night with regard to one's own diurnal/nocturnal cycles, time of year in seasonal areas (things don't change too much in Miami, Florida), lunar cycle and possibly solar flare activity, and possibly astrological-astronomical configurations. Then there are collective holidays and personal anniversaries (I know someone whose first trip took place in the house where his mother died and he unpleasantly discovered unresolved issues. At the time of me writing this, it happens to be his birthday). One could speculate about other things.
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Psilocybin has its own unique place in psychedelia, psilocin induces genuine mystical experiances (though some are unable to interpret them as such) psilocin is just as intense as LSD, only it has a quite different personality. The most signifigant and spiritually meaningful experiances in my life have occored with psilocin or DMT.
LSD causes a quite different mental change, its more of a complete psychological reinterpretation of self and values, its like 5 years of psychotherapy in a single night and it is capable of tremendous psychological and social change.....plus 1g is 10,000 100ug doses, even micro-labs are producing between 4-7 grams per synthesis, which is actually quite a bit, its nothing like the owsley Stanley, nick sand, Tim scully and Even William leonard pickard and Clyde apperson mass production where they were producing kilogram ammounts of LSD on a regular basis, but its still a good ammount....with mushrooms it would take a good ammount of time and work to make enough to dose 10,000 people, with LSD a single chemist can make 35,000 100ug doses in a single weekend by himself, keep in mind this is only producing 3.5g of actual LSD, so this micro-lab chemist could actually produce enough to cause real social change, opening minds on a mass scale.
I don't discredit psilocin, I just see different advantages to LSD, plus it has very rich pharmocoloy
As I said before:
Phenethylamines are 5HT2A +5HT2C receptor agonists
Tryptamines are 5HT1a +5HT2a + 5HT2C receptor agonists
LSD is a: 5ht1a + 5ht2a + 5ht2c + 5ht1b + 5ht1b + 5ht5a + 5ht6 + 5ht7 + D1 + D2 + D3 + D4 + alpha2 receptor agonist
....everything about LSD fascinates me.
But I'm in no way discrediting psilocin, mescaline, DMT, or any of the other beautiful compounds that qualify as true psychedelics.
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I think LSD is more spiritual then mushrooms. Just goes to show how these thing vary from trip to trip and person to person.
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LSD is all around right now. Of course the RC analogues are as well, but good quality L is more plentiful than it has been in the last decade I've been using it...
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Re: the need for a return of authentic LSD [Re: unsui888]
#21742289 - 05/30/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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2000's were pretty dry. Then with the invention of the dark net, L became more available, more was sold and prices dropped
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I guess it mainly depends on where you are. Northern California is full of high quality LSD, especially when you go to the many summer festivals. I'm not sure of the amount of micrograms, but I would guess at least around 100ug, since 3 hits usually provoke one to go back home when out in public at a park. It just gets way too intense...
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Re: the need for a return of authentic LSD [Re: unsui888]
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I would like to know the dosage. How do you guys know the ug of your stuff aside from being told by seller?
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Re: the need for a return of authentic LSD [Re: Matt87]
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Matt87 said: I would like to know the dosage. How do you guys know the ug of your stuff aside from being told by seller?
It is a subjective evaluation for me based on 44 years of experience. It is not scientifically, quantitatively accurate, but one knows if one is in the 300 or so mcg area, and at 600 mcg, one really hits a ceiling after which (like those alleged "thumb-prints" of pure crystalized LSD) one gets psychic or psychospiritual overload. Possible are White Light or Clear Light experiences, revivification of one's biological birth, age regression or progression, Psi phenomena (clear telepathy, clairvoyance, clairaudience, precognition, the 'siddhis'). But also, high dosages can result in decompensation and transient psychotic episodes. BE HERE NOW spoke to those who 'scream for help' from a psychotic break with Reality. Interestingly, a word for the experience of rebirth is metempsychosis. These experiences (as Dr. Stan Grof points out in his books) can result in some very disturbing psychological conditions which some people never recover from. They had latent psychosis and never should've taken psychedelics or at least not high doses. Acid in the 60s and 70s often were 250-300 mcg Windowpanes, blotters, barrels, berries, or tablets. In the beginning, hollow capsules contained a dried drop of liquid or sugar cubes had high dosage levels.
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Re: the need for a return of authentic LSD [Re: unsui888]
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unsui888 said: LSD is all around right now. Of course the RC analogues are as well, but good quality L is more plentiful than it has been in the last decade I've been using it...
LSD is around, but if you ask the avarage person off the street they wont know anything about it or what it can do other than a few cliche misconceptions.
Last time you had mass ammounts of people using LSD you had massive social change, and it wasn't superficial idealism.....
We need more figures like kesey and the pranksters, owsley Stanley, nick sand, Tim scully, even another person who was as strong willed, dedicated and confrontational as Tim Leary, but perhaps with the insight to not make the mistakes he did...
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I think Dave E. Nichols does a good job of articulating LSD's potential and importance in the very begining of this film (the rest of the film is good as well)
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Cognitive_Shift said: I think LSD is more spiritual then mushrooms. Just goes to show how these thing vary from trip to trip and person to person.
Yes, though I still feel that psilocin produces mystical experiances far more consistantly than LSD...another issue is that most people will not consume sufficient ammounts of psilocin, even 3.5 dry grams of stropharia cubensis is not sufficient for a mystical experiance, at this level it causes benign hallucination and intoxication, but doesn't come near to the mystical potential of psilocin, you need 20-35mgs of psilocin to produce a mystical experiance, at this dose the mystical experiance will occor every time (even if the patient is unable to interpret the experiance as mystical), most people are only eating 10-15mgs psilocin...
But yeah your right, everybody experiances compounds in a unique way, but if I had to be general I would say LSD is psychological and psilocin is spiritual, though they both have the capacity to produce either effect....I make my judgements on this issue based upon the reaction I see most often with the compound, while I acknowledge that this is in no way a "rule" or "law" of the compounds.
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I had the most profound mystical experience of my life during the waning period from a microdot of very mild LSD, after I had come down and eaten supper with my folks. I went to my room to meditate and BAM! Dosage of any psychedelic does not guarantee religious experience for everyone even though it may greatly increase the probability for those who are prone to the experience of "Cosmic Consciousness' in varying degrees.
The distinction between the words psychological and spiritual is an interesting one and variously defined. But inasmuch as the word psyche means soul (and butterfly) in Greek, our word psychology does not have to be understood to mean the mechanistic computer models that Western materialist psychologists intend. The word spiritual from the Latin spiritus is an archaic term for our meaning of the word consciousness, which is most often used in psychology today. So there are linguistic cross-overs.
Phenomenologically, both 'soul' and 'spirit' are invisible, insubstantial realities (unextended in space or time, no volume or mass), but spirit usually has a connotation of being transcendental while soul is often identified with the animating consciousness of the body, and more-or-less inseparable from the body except in OOBEs and physical death.However, the ability of the embodied-soul to leave the body implies that it too is transcendental in nature. Aldous Huxley, identifying the mind as soul (psyche) said that the mind is "amphibias," meaning that it can identify with the body or with the spirit. In Jewish thought, the soul has 3 or 4 different aspects which range on a continuum from the 'animal soul' (nephesh) to the 'rational soul" (ruach) to the 'spiritual soul' (neschamah). This approximates Plato's appetitive, high-spirited, and logical aspects of his tripartite soul. Eastern Orthodox Christianity says we have a nous, "the eye of the heart or soul," or "mind of the heart" which receives communication from God as Holy Spirit. These formulations result in multiple metaphors that we can use to elicit an intuitive understanding about invisible things.
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As I said these are in no way "laws" of the compounds, Simply distinctions I use to differentiate similar experiances from one another, either compound can produce either effect equally effectively, I was simply pointing out that some compounds tend to cause certain aspects to be more prevalent in more cases than others.
I actually have a good deal I want to say in response to your post, what I wrote above doesn't even scratch the surface or begin to detail my veiws on the issue.
I can tell you have the mind for a worth while discussion here, though I'm very busy at this moment, later this evening when I have a some free time ill be able to actually sit down and type in a well thought response.
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Oh shit. I'm going to need my dictionary to follow you guys.
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Re: the need for a return of authentic LSD [Re: Matt87]
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Matt87 said: Oh shit. I'm going to need my dictionary to follow you guys.
I frequently use a dictionary to spell things correctly or to be certain I'm using a word properly, so join the club.
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I just decided to run off on the soul-spirit thing. I'm more interested in the results of consciousness alteration than in the chemical keys. Many drugs can cause paradoxical reactions, and sometimes expectation is a major factor. If someone told me they'd dosed me with LSD, I might be pissed if I had an obligation to attend to, but otherwise I'd get over the anger and go with it. But I know csquare conservatives who would utterly freak-out even before the effects were felt - both reactions shaped by expectation, positive and negative, respectively.
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm much more terrified of Psilocybin then LSD. LSD tends to be puppy and rainbows to me, SUPER introspective. Mushrooms tend to be more sinister, like an older brother or sister toying and fucking with you for it's own amusement.
I argree 100%.
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For the psychological/ spiritual conversation, ive been putting it off for quite some time just because I'm going to have quite a bit to write, but today is my re-up day on marijuana/hash and I don't have much going on until later, so I'm likely going to get to it today...
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