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Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair
#21728321 - 05/27/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/us/cleveland-police-verdict/
"Yes, Cleveland police Officer Michael Brelo stood on a car and shot the unarmed black occupants 15 times just after officers first riddled it with bullets"
"It turned out that neither Russell, 44, nor Williams, 30, were armed, but Russell let numerous police officers on a 22 mile chase- sometimes at speeds above 100 MPH- before ramming a police car"
"Brelo and 12 other officers fired more than 100 times in eight seconds at the car...The officers first round of gunfire was permissible because they has reason to believe they and the public were at risk, in part because other officers told them the pair had weapons"
Looks this case is bringing out the usual morons to protest the verdict.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman] 3
#21728372 - 05/27/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Brelo and 12 other officers fired more than 100 times in eight seconds at the car, after which, according to prosecutors, the pair could no longer be a threat.
But Brelo exited his car, got on top of Williams' car's hood and "fired at least 15 shots ... downward through the windshield into the victims at close range as he stood on the hood of Mr. Russell's car," Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGlinty said."
yeah, sounds totally reasonable to me...
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bassfreak] 2
#21728491 - 05/27/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
rather pathetic point of view.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21728492 - 05/27/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman you need your own country.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb] 2
#21728586 - 05/27/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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They did ram a police car. You try and kill a cop don't be pissed when they kill you.
There are real issues with police brutality, this isn't one of them.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
#21728644 - 05/27/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: They did ram a police car. You try and kill a cop don't be pissed when they kill you.
There are real issues with police brutality, this isn't one of them.
i agree the ramming of the car was fucked up.
the 100 shots in 8 seconds tho...
and i also agree this isnt the one we need to focus on.
but its a part of the idiocy
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21728662 - 05/27/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
rather pathetic point of view.
No, but the cops did believe they had weapons which as it turned out justified the shootings.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21728667 - 05/27/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh.
what did they base the "beleif" on.
did they see a candy bar?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21728668 - 05/27/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman] 1
#21728671 - 05/27/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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They did have a weapon, the vehicle that weighed thousands of pounds going over 100mph...
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21728675 - 05/27/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: qman you need your own country.
One free of thugs and libtards would be wonderful.
a lack of government would be better.
then when "enforcers" shoot people... they get shot back.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21728685 - 05/27/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: oh.
what did they base the "beleif" on.
did they see a candy bar?
The car backfired, they thought it was a gun shot. Either way, ramming a 2 ton vehicle is also a dangerous weapon.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
#21728686 - 05/27/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it's bullshit that police can just flash lights at you and you MUST do their bidding. And then running from their flashing lights means you get shot. Why can't we pull over and shoot at police that don't listen to us?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21728687 - 05/27/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
rather pathetic point of view.
No, but the cops did believe they had weapons which as it turned out justified the shootings.
So if you roll up in my house and I BELEIVE you have a weapon I'd be totally justified in shooting you?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21728700 - 05/27/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
rather pathetic point of view.
No, but the cops did believe they had weapons which as it turned out justified the shootings.
That conflicts with the second amendment.
A Canadian just pointed that out to you.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21728712 - 05/27/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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XLCaps said:
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qman said:
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rxb said: so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
rather pathetic point of view.
No, but the cops did believe they had weapons which as it turned out justified the shootings.
That conflicts with the second amendment.
A Canadian just pointed that out to you.
It's a different story if you believe they fired the weapon out of a car and then led police on a 22 mile car chase, every scenario is different.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21728828 - 05/27/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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whoops, i mistook a backfire for gunfire.
guess that makes it ok that im a murderer.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: whoops, i mistook a backfire for gunfire.
guess that makes it ok that im a murderer.
That doesn't make it ok to kill. But if you try to run the police over, we a a society believe it's ok for them to fire upon the vehicle.
Why do you ignore the part where they tried to kill people?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
#21729200 - 05/27/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: whoops, i mistook a backfire for gunfire.
guess that makes it ok that im a murderer.
That doesn't make it ok to kill. But if you try to run the police over, we a a society believe it's ok for them to fire upon the vehicle.
Why do you ignore the part where they tried to kill people?
Because all he's really capable of doing is making generalizations that not even apply to the topic of discussion.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
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qman said:
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rxb said: so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
rather pathetic point of view.
No, but the cops did believe they had weapons which as it turned out justified the shootings.
Becasue other officers said they had weapons. Echo chamber.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: koods]
#21729297 - 05/27/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i acknoledged that they tried to ram a cop car (which doesnt mean they tried to kill a cop by the way)
the problem is... at the point they were shot... they were not ramming anyone.
its like the Ferguson cop... when they were attacking him, if he shot them then, i'd have been like... yeah.. well. they were attacking him.
but it was a half hour later... and the guy couldnt do anything, wasnt running... the cop had full control.
and then shot him in the back.
this time, they were stopped ... werent goes anywhere.
and were put to death by firing squad without a trial.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21729329 - 05/27/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: i acknoledged that they tried to ram a cop car (which doesnt mean they tried to kill a cop by the way)
the problem is... at the point they were shot... they were not ramming anyone.
its like the Ferguson cop... when they were attacking him, if he shot them then, i'd have been like... yeah.. well. they were attacking him.
but it was a half hour later... and the guy couldnt do anything, wasnt running... the cop had full control.
and then shot him in the back.
this time, they were stopped ... werent goes anywhere.
and were put to death by firing squad without a trial.
Boy, you're really misinformed on the Michael Brown case, it wasn't a half hour later and he wasn't shot in the back. 
Ramming your car into a police car is a deadly form of violence, what the fuck does it matter if they rammed their car 5 seconds before or 10 seconds before, they might do it again in 3 seconds.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21729353 - 05/27/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: i acknoledged that they tried to ram a cop car (which doesnt mean they tried to kill a cop by the way)
the problem is... at the point they were shot... they were not ramming anyone.
its like the Ferguson cop... when they were attacking him, if he shot them then, i'd have been like... yeah.. well. they were attacking him.
but it was a half hour later... and the guy couldnt do anything, wasnt running... the cop had full control.
and then shot him in the back.
this time, they were stopped ... werent goes anywhere.
and were put to death by firing squad without a trial.
Boy, you're really misinformed on the Michael Brown case, it wasn't a half hour later and he wasn't shot in the back. 
Ramming your car into a police car is a deadly form of violence, what the fuck does it matter if they rammed their car 5 seconds before or 10 seconds before, they might do it again in 3 seconds.
shrug thats what i saw somewhere.
anyhow i dont see the point of it.. from a stopped point a ram isnt going to kill someone in a car.
so when the car is stopped, its not really a deadly weapon anymore.
it was overkill.
its in fact the definition of overkill.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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rxb said:
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qman said:
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rxb said: i acknoledged that they tried to ram a cop car (which doesnt mean they tried to kill a cop by the way)
the problem is... at the point they were shot... they were not ramming anyone.
its like the Ferguson cop... when they were attacking him, if he shot them then, i'd have been like... yeah.. well. they were attacking him.
but it was a half hour later... and the guy couldnt do anything, wasnt running... the cop had full control.
and then shot him in the back.
this time, they were stopped ... werent goes anywhere.
and were put to death by firing squad without a trial.
Boy, you're really misinformed on the Michael Brown case, it wasn't a half hour later and he wasn't shot in the back. 
Ramming your car into a police car is a deadly form of violence, what the fuck does it matter if they rammed their car 5 seconds before or 10 seconds before, they might do it again in 3 seconds.
shrug thats what i saw somewhere.
anyhow i dont see the point of it.. from a stopped point a ram isnt going to kill someone in a car.
so when the car is stopped, its not really a deadly weapon anymore.
it was overkill.
its in fact the definition of overkill.
Many people agree with you, including the prosecutor on the case.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21729418 - 05/27/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So qman if im driving a car and you happen to be riding along , the cops try to pull me over , i run hard and evade them fuckers... But they eventually got me cornered , i ram a police car trying to get away and you are shot to death... Sounds good to you?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Kinko]
#21729437 - 05/27/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Brelo got off because there was no proof that the first hundred shoots hadn't already killed them. Once they decided that there was justification to fire one shot then every shot after is justified.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Kinko]
#21729445 - 05/27/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kinko said: So qman if im driving a car and you happen to be riding along , the cops try to pull me over , i run hard and evade them fuckers... But they eventually got me cornered , i ram a police car trying to get away and you are shot to death... Sounds good to you?
He never should have gotten in a car with a moron. Would he be just as dead if you ran into a bridge abutment at 100 miles an hour?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
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apparently we have a new capital offense
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
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Brelo got off because there was no proof that the first hundred shoots hadn't already killed them.
thats what i'm saying man. try to imagine the scene. everyone's pumped from the chase, the guy tries to ram his way out, everyone fires more or less in unison, 100 shots in 8 seconds. THEN the one dumbass who missed his cue, jumps up on the hood of the car, and empties his weapon into two almost certainly dead or dying men. If i was one of the other cops, i would look at the guy next to me and be like "did you just see that shit?" right? This cop sounds like a total Farva.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21729566 - 05/27/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: apparently we have a new capital offense
No attempting to kill police officers has been met with deadly force since the beginning of the police force.
Ever hear of suicide by cop?
A stopped car is still deadly, don't believe me?
Stand against a brick wall and let me pull my car right up against you but not enough to hurt you. Then relax as I floor it and squeeze you like a tube of toothpaste.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
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No attempting to kill police officers has been met with deadly force since the beginning of the police force.
the passenger
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21729771 - 05/27/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: qman you need your own country.
One free of thugs and libtards would be wonderful.
and memes.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21729774 - 05/27/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: oh.
what did they base the "beleif" on.
did they see a candy bar?
The car backfired, they thought it was a gun shot. Either way, ramming a 2 ton vehicle is also a dangerous weapon.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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ifmi was the passenger of a maniac running From the police I would pull the handbrake and take the keys and toss em.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
#21729795 - 05/27/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stand against a brick wall and let me pull my car right up against you but not enough to hurt you. Then relax as I floor it and squeeze you like a tube of toothpaste.
was there a brick wall? was any cops in front of or behind the car directly?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: akira_akuma]
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Stand against a brick wall and let me pull my car right up against you but not enough to hurt you. Then relax as I floor it and squeeze you like a tube of toothpaste.
was there a brick wall? was any cops in front of or behind the car directly?
The cops were in front of the vehicle when they tried to ram them...
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
#21729918 - 05/27/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so when it was stopped, they were then behind the car, correct? or did they spin it around?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: akira_akuma]
#21729930 - 05/27/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Once you decide to shoot you empty the magazine. I don't fucking care. They do not shoot to wound. Only an idiot in a movie does that. Center mass fire until you are empty.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
#21729943 - 05/27/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh i don't care about that. you don't know how you're placing your shot unless the guy's head explodes... so of course you're gonna want to fire efficiently.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: akira_akuma]
#21729987 - 05/27/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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shoot to kill innocent bystanders until they are hamburger!
that'll teach him to be a passenger!
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21729989 - 05/27/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i like hamburger.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21730129 - 05/27/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: so,
basically qman believes that, evading officers, and speeding while black is a crime worthy of execution. and that any citizen can execute another if they witness them committing these crimes.
speeding while black?
how about evading pursuit, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, aggravated assault
somehow you think their crime was being black and while they may not have had guns and knives they were certainly in control of a 2 ton killing machine that they attempted to use to kill the cops and put the lives of the public in jeopardy. they deserved to be killed if for no other reason for being so stupid that they thought they wouldnt end like all the others
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21730142 - 05/27/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No attempting to kill police officers has been met with deadly force since the beginning of the police force.
the passenger
what about him? did he try to end the pursuit?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21730213 - 05/27/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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how about evading pursuit, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, aggravated assault
do those carry the death penalty?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21730225 - 05/27/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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how about evading pursuit, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, aggravated assault
do those carry the death penalty?

We are not talking about being in a court and trying to figure out what those two men "deserved", at our leisure. Those police officers had to think fast and act fast. There was no time to waste and they (the officers) had good reason to believe those two men in the car might try to harm them (the cops) again.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: WAN]
#21730241 - 05/27/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh, so now the cops are higher than courts.
cool story
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb] 1
#21730268 - 05/27/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: oh, so now the cops are higher than courts.
cool story
Those officers weren't deliberating and then trying to reach a fair and just sentencing for those two men. Its like I said, those officers had to think fast and act fast, otherwise these two (apparently) dangerous men might pull something else, which could very well put the lives of the police officers in danger.
I will give you an example. Let's say there is a man walking around in a crowded mall. He is brandishing a very sharp looking machete. The police comes and tells him to turn over the weapon. He doesn't, and then tries to kill the officers. What do the officers do? They have no choice but to kill this man on the spot. They HAVE TO do this, otherwise lives will be endangered. The officers are not trying to be judges/jurors or whatever.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: WAN]
#21730274 - 05/27/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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you are insane.
they fired over 100 rounds.
you disable the car they had to put 1 round in the driver.
its whatever man, but dont make it out like the passenger deserved to die for this shit.
the passenger could have been a hostage for all you know.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21730279 - 05/27/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: you are insane.
they fired over 100 rounds.
you disable the car they had to put 1 round in the driver.
its whatever man, but dont make it out like the passenger deserved to die for this shit.
the passenger could have been a hostage for all you know.
I don't know why they fired so many shots. But I will say though, they didn't kill those two men because they (the cops) thought they "deserved" it. The cops killed those two because they tried to kill them (the cops).
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: WAN]
#21730304 - 05/27/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm gonna say this again. Once you decide that firing one shot is justified you empty your magazine and then if you can you reload and empty it again. The number of shots is irrelevant. Shoot to kill.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
#21730318 - 05/27/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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the two men... didnt try to kill cops.
the driver... MAY HAVE.
the passenger cant do shit.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21730340 - 05/27/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tough shit. How were the cops supposed to know that?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
#21730365 - 05/27/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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could have been your daughter, could have been a hostage.
could have been someone the driver picked up at gunpoint.
could have been someones mother. someones brother someones friend.
he may have had NOTHING to do with the situation.
cops arent military...they have been given too much firepower and too much control.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
#21730804 - 05/28/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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"But Brelo exited his car, got on top of Williams' car's hood and "fired at least 15 shots ... downward through the windshield into the victims at close range as he stood on the hood of Mr. Russell's car," Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGlinty said."
everyone else was done shooting already. this guy is a doofus, and probably shouldn't play with guns. I mean, really, thats like a scene from a damn movie. I wonder if he had a catchy one liner. "You have the right to remain silent..."
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21730841 - 05/28/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, such cool, tough language from some of you here! Real hardassess... real men. You must feel so proud, with your fucking stiffies for police brutality. Go on, you can rub one out on the picture of the aftermath. I know you want to. Maybe stroke eachother off... yeah.
Fucking hell man. You fucking fucks... two people are dead, most people find this an outrage as they should, and then there are these motherfuckers who are eerily okay with it. Like they don't see them as real people? I don't know. Trivializing death is never a sign of a healthy mind, I tell you that.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: "But Brelo exited his car, got on top of Williams' car's hood and "fired at least 15 shots ... downward through the windshield into the victims at close range as he stood on the hood of Mr. Russell's car," Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGlinty said."
everyone else was done shooting already. this guy is a doofus, and probably shouldn't play with guns. I mean, really, thats like a scene from a damn movie. I wonder if he had a catchy one liner. "You have the right to remain silent..."
totally out of a movie. I once tried doing the "stand on your car to survey the area in stopped traffic" move once in real life. Didn't look nearly as badass as it does on film.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
#21730849 - 05/28/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Once you decide to shoot you empty the magazine. I don't fucking care. They do not shoot to wound. Only an idiot in a movie does that. Center mass fire until you are empty.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
#21730860 - 05/28/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Once you decide to shoot you empty the magazine. I don't fucking care. They do not shoot to wound. Only an idiot in a movie does that. Center mass fire until you are empty.
This is fucking bullshit.
If they didn't shoot to kill though, than the victim might actually be able to have a chance to fight back in triaL, and the cops might not get their paid vacation.
Typically I'm against the cops, but this case does seem pretty hard to hate on the cops. If anything the guy who stood on.the car should be sent back to academy as it does seem he's acting immaturely and trying to hard to be a badass. I think police men need to have this badass mentality crushed by having yoga days, and stuff like this that is typically seen as effeminate so that the real good cops, would be the ones willing to help out the community versus just getting a badge and gun and told to go catch the bad guys.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21731074 - 05/28/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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how about evading pursuit, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, aggravated assault
do those carry the death penalty?

the death penalty? you seem to be talking about something that requires a trial, these cops were exercising their right to defend themselves, stop trying to libtard this into something it's not, they were too stupid to live, they brought their deaths upon themselves
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21731078 - 05/28/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: could have been your daughter, could have been a hostage.
could have been someone the driver picked up at gunpoint.
could have been someones mother. someones brother someones friend.
he may have had NOTHING to do with the situation.
but it wasnt any of these and the passenger did nothing to stop the pursuit
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cops arent military...they have been given too much firepower and too much control.
they were using pistols, not tomahawk missiles
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
#21731079 - 05/28/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Once you decide to shoot you empty the magazine. I don't fucking care. They do not shoot to wound. Only an idiot in a movie does that. Center mass fire until you are empty.
This is fucking bullshit.
which part is bullshit or is it that you just dont agree with it
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The part how only an idiot in the movie does that... Even though Dutch cops are trained to have some restrained, and behave EXACTLY like that in threatening situations!
So two people died in a hail of bullets, and this is normal to you?
EDIT: "The passanger did nothing to stop the pursuit" Jesus Christ man. Are you dumb or is this on purpose?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
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how about evading pursuit, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, aggravated assault
do those carry the death penalty?

the death penalty? you seem to be talking about something that requires a trial, these cops were exercising their right to defend themselves, stop trying to libtard this into something it's not, they were too stupid to live, they brought their deaths upon themselves
im not a liberal ... im probably more conservative than you.
im an anarchist... you cant get smaller government than that.
we have the government we have and the laws we have. if you have enforcers acting like total jackasses, getting away with it, then what you have is a governmental force which will be used to scare and control the populous.
you throw around RUDE terms as a mod, you should be removed from the mods if you arent going to act appropriately.
its the same with the cops, if they act like they are above the law, they can never enforce the law.
the police right now are scumbags. they shouldnt be. the mods right now are scumbags. they shouldnt be.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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Also did they really bring their death upon themselves? Or is it just your warped worldview coming into play here? Because obviously a lot of people do not agree with you, and since this IS a matter of life & death, maybe don't judge like an old testament god, you know? You know?
You don't know.
I've been to other countries where the police are also violent and corrupt. But Cape Verde people don't defend bad cops. Senegal people don't defend bad cops. What is it with Americans that they feel the NEED to defend this kind of thing?
EDIT: The you I am referring to is Pris and people who think like him.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem] 1
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Turtletotem said: Wow, such cool, tough language from some of you here! Real hardassess... real men. You must feel so proud, with your fucking stiffies for police brutality. Go on, you can rub one out on the picture of the aftermath. I know you want to. Maybe stroke eachother off... yeah.
Fucking hell man. You fucking fucks... two people are dead, most people find this an outrage as they should, and then there are these motherfuckers who are eerily okay with it. Like they don't see them as real people? I don't know. Trivializing death is never a sign of a healthy mind, I tell you that.
"two people are dead, most people find this an outrage"
Do you know what I'm outraged about? The fact that these two fucktards could have killed so many innocent people driving like maniacs and going over 100 MPH for over 22 miles, not to mention ramming their car into other vehicles.
All they cared about was themselves and fuck everyone else because they didn't want to deal with the police that day, guess what? Fuck them.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Also did they really bring their death upon themselves? Or is it just your warped worldview coming into play here? Because obviously a lot of people do not agree with you, and since this IS a matter of life & death, maybe don't judge like an old testament god, you know? You know?
You don't know.
yes, their actions led to their deaths so they did in fact bring their deaths upon themselves. if instead of trying to outrun the cops the driver had stopped the car, would they have been shot? if the passenger had simply reached over and turned the key to the off position, would they have been shot? if they hadnt tried to ram the cop cars would they have been shot?
"they brought their deaths upon themselves" is a statement of fact, it's not casting judgement, their lives were in their hands and through their actions they forfeit their lives as opposed to simply stopping the car
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EDIT: The you I am referring to is Pris and people who think like him.
so wait, are you defending the actions of these criminals, people that have put the lives of not just the police but also the public in danger? timothy russell and malissa williams made criminal decisions, they decided to lead the police on a high speed pursuit for 22 miles, they made the choice to attempt to run down the cops that were trying to stop their criminal rampage, they were simply being stopped for failure to use a turn signal an offense that carries at most a small fine but usually only involves a verbal warning and this somehow makes the cops corrupt?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Supachopped719]
#21731686 - 05/28/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: They did ram a police car. You try and kill a cop don't be pissed when they kill you.
There are real issues with police brutality, this isn't one of them.
He jumped on the hood of their car and executed them when the pursuit had already ended and no one was injured or in danger, that cop killed two unarmed people in cold blood. He should be put to death. Thats such a gross misappropriation of force.
And I didnt even read this thread but I know pris is waving his diamond hard erection for the police everywhere.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Supachopped719 said: They did ram a police car. You try and kill a cop don't be pissed when they kill you.
There are real issues with police brutality, this isn't one of them.
He jumped on the hood of their car and executed them when the pursuit had already ended and no one was injured or in danger, that cop killed two unarmed people in cold blood. He should be put to death.
This, except don't put the cop to death. Maybe make a special cop jail somewhere in the country, so they won't get stabbed the minute they arive in jail? That would end the bullshit arguement "But he'll never make it in jail!".
And let's not forget that this is not exactly an isolated incident, although SOME people here try to play it off as such.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
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They should recieve far more brutal punshiments then the average citizen. Theyre in a position of trust and authority, breaking that should be dealt with quickly and severely. Throwing them in with the general population is perfect.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Yeah retribution feels good man. But that's not us, that's them. Special cop prison sounds pretty good to me. If a prison sentence isn't an automatic death sentence for these guys then maybe those jury guys won't pass out such soft verdicts when one of these pig fuckers by some miracle DOES have to answer for his actions.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
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Cops here are regularly subjected to pen time when they misapproriate force. I dont see the big deal. Do the crime do the time, they know what the consequences are better then anyone else. Why should they have a cozy little prison built for their criminal ass's.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21731737 - 05/28/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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how about evading pursuit, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, aggravated assault
do those carry the death penalty?

the death penalty? you seem to be talking about something that requires a trial, these cops were exercising their right to defend themselves, stop trying to libtard this into something it's not, they were too stupid to live, they brought their deaths upon themselves
im not a liberal ... im probably more conservative than you.
im an anarchist... you cant get smaller government than that.
you can label yourself as anything you want but you're clearly a liberal, anarchy is about governing yourself and these two criminal fucktards, like so many others have shown they're incapable of doing so, they've shown why there is a need for the police and those laws, they show us exactly why anarchy simply does not work
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we have the government we have and the laws we have. if you have enforcers acting like total jackasses, getting away with it, then what you have is a governmental force which will be used to scare and control the populous.
so these two criminals were not acting like jackasses? the way it works where I live, if someone tries to deliberately run me over then I have reason to believe my life is in danger and I am allowed to take the appropriate measures to preserve my life yet you liberals seem to believe that the cops shouldnt have the same right to life that the average citizen has
I would love to hear why cops are supposed to forfeit their lives so that the criminals can continue to be criminals and continue to put the public in danger and I'd love to hear your anarchist views on how acts of that nature should be dealt with when there are no cops to stop them, please wise one, bestow upon is your wisdom of how the citizens should deal with those people that decide to make victims of others
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you throw around RUDE terms as a mod, you should be removed from the mods if you arent going to act appropriately.
its the same with the cops, if they act like they are above the law, they can never enforce the law.
the police right now are scumbags. they shouldnt be. the mods right now are scumbags. they shouldnt be.
hahahaha... quite the amazing statement
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731746 - 05/28/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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His life wasnt in danger.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731747 - 05/28/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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He jumped on the hood of their car and executed them when the pursuit had already ended and no one was injured or in danger, that cop killed two unarmed people in cold blood. He should be put to death.
The prosecution stated that the other officers on the scene had already discharged 100 rounds before he exited his vehicle, jumped on the hood and started firing. He was aquitted at least in part, because there was no way to tell if his shots killed them, or if it was one of the several other mortal gunshot wounds. i don't know if the original 100 rounds were justified or not,(i wasn't there) but i do know that this Officer Brelo sounds like an idiot.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#21731794 - 05/28/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quick, Pris, quick! Attack another member, and tell him what he believes in! Before people realise what a piece of shit you are, hurry!
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
#21731795 - 05/28/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Yeah retribution feels good man. But that's not us, that's them. Special cop prison sounds pretty good to me. If a prison sentence isn't an automatic death sentence for these guys then maybe those jury guys won't pass out such soft verdicts when one of these pig fuckers by some miracle DOES have to answer for his actions.
who is "them" do citizens not defend their lives against criminals often times resulting in the death of the criminal?
tell us, should this man be charged and imprisoned for shooting an unarmed man?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731796 - 05/28/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Cops here are regularly subjected to pen time when they misapproriate force. I dont see the big deal. Do the crime do the time, they know what the consequences are better then anyone else. Why should they have a cozy little prison built for their criminal ass's.
Yeah, lots of people are going to take a job in which people like you will accuse them of "misappropriate use of force" everyday and then they can end up in prison, where do they sign up?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731797 - 05/28/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If a citizen opened up on someone for ramming into their car at 10 mph theyd be tried for manslaughter.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
#21731802 - 05/28/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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are you asking for a ban?
familiarize yourself with the rules
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21731817 - 05/28/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Cops here are regularly subjected to pen time when they misapproriate force. I dont see the big deal. Do the crime do the time, they know what the consequences are better then anyone else. Why should they have a cozy little prison built for their criminal ass's.
Yeah, lots of people are going to take a job in which people like you will accuse them of "misappropriate use of force" everyday and then they can end up in prison, where do they sign up?
The local PD, if the fucktards cant differentiate between non and life threatning situations maybe they should sign up for something else.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731828 - 05/28/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Cops here are regularly subjected to pen time when they misapproriate force. I dont see the big deal. Do the crime do the time, they know what the consequences are better then anyone else. Why should they have a cozy little prison built for their criminal ass's.
Yeah, lots of people are going to take a job in which people like you will accuse them of "misappropriate use of force" everyday and then they can end up in prison, where do they sign up?
The local PD, if the fucktards cant differentiate between non and life threatning situations maybe they should sign up for something else.
if someone is trying to run you down with their car, is that considered life threatening?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731854 - 05/28/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i see everyone's car's coming at me when i try to cross the street... shit in both directions. must be trying to kill me.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: akira_akuma]
#21731862 - 05/28/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i see everyone's car's coming at me when i try to cross the street... shit in both directions. must be trying to kill me.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0118093
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731865 - 05/28/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats depends on several variables. The most major factor being speed. The chase ended in a middle school parking lot. Given that its a middle school there would only be enough parking space for the staff, in other words there wouldnt have been enough space to gain the speed required to cause any injuries. Another factor would be whether or not the officer was in a vehicle, which he was. Its easy get dramtic and scream murder but the reality is that the officer was perfectly safe in this situation and the chase was already effectively over. There was absolutely no need to escalate force.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731875 - 05/28/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Cops here are regularly subjected to pen time when they misapproriate force. I dont see the big deal. Do the crime do the time, they know what the consequences are better then anyone else. Why should they have a cozy little prison built for their criminal ass's.
Yeah, lots of people are going to take a job in which people like you will accuse them of "misappropriate use of force" everyday and then they can end up in prison, where do they sign up?
The local PD, if the fucktards cant differentiate between non and life threatening situations maybe they should sign up for something else.
Here in the US where many areas are full of fucktards the cops are placed in life threatening situations on a daily basis, you want to put them into prison for not being able to differentiate every situation that's not up to your unrealistic standard.
Why don't you become a cop and show the world the incredible restraint you would use even when your life was at stake, something tells me your version of "life threatening situations" would change very quickly.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21731878 - 05/28/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I highly doubt that, having some car bump into me at a low speed wouldnt make my life feel threatened.
Glad to see pris is slowly losing his mind.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731887 - 05/28/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I highly doubt that, having some car bump into me at a low speed wouldnt make my life feel threatened.
Glad to see pris is slowly losing his mind.
what about when the driver does it under acceleration after some altercation, does it then become a threat to your life?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731896 - 05/28/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, their actions led to their deaths so they did in fact bring their deaths
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no, one of them had no actions. like i said you dont know that the other wasnt a hostage
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im not a liberal. and if you paid attention you'd know that. i dont think we should have roads, military, schools, laws, at ALL. i dont think we need them.
i dont think we should pay taxes.
i do think we have an environment which is in danger, and if these pesky laws didnt get in the way we would hunt down the people responcible and stop them.
thats how it SHOULD be.
i dont believe we should PAY enforcers to KILL people. the military kills people, the police are supposed to keep the peace. they didnt, they killed one person who is CLEARLY innocent (as he wasnt in control and didnt get in the car after the police chase started, he was just in the car. he may have tried to talk the guy out of it, he could have been a hitch hiker... we dont know.
we do know he didnt commit a crime. and he was shot by political enforcers.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731897 - 05/28/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not really seeing as Im in a car, and Ive had it happen before. Of course I wasnt driving but I was in the vehicle none the less.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21731923 - 05/28/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Thats depends on several variables. The most major factor being speed. The chase ended in a middle school parking lot. Given that its a middle school there would only be enough parking space for the staff, in other words there wouldnt have been enough space to gain the speed required to cause any injuries. Another factor would be whether or not the officer was in a vehicle, which he was.
the chase 'ended' earlier than that when they had him blocked, he rammed a cop's car and they shot at him the first time, at least they thought it ended until he punched the gas and went for round two
your narrative doesnt hold true, a car doesnt need speed to cause injuries, people have been run over at very low speeds, my sister was run over by a truck that was simply backing up, put the 'justification of criminality' back in your pocket because these absurd claims simply dont hold water
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Its easy get dramtic and scream murder but the reality is that the officer was perfectly safe in this situation and the chase was already effectively over. There was absolutely no need to escalate force.
you mean the way that everyone is claiming the cops murdered these two people that put the public and the officers in danger?
let's talk about the 'escalation of force', a cop was stopping them for failure to use a turn signal and their response was to lead them on a 22mile, 100mph chase through public streets... who escalated the use of force?
they were 'hemmed in' and they opted to ram a cop car and were shot at and they still decided to continue running from the cops through those public streets, again, who escalated the use of force?
they were 'hemmed in' a second time, the cops opened fire and the car was still moving, a cop jumped on the hood and fired directly at the occupants in order to ensure that the threat they posed was eliminated and somehow you think that the cops escalated the use of force when they were driving a deadly weapon
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731928 - 05/28/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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honestly, i think a smart person, would not run from the cops, would comply with their orders, and would probably not get shot. hell, thats what i've always done when i have to deal with the cops. it hasn't kept them from giving me the pinky squeeze on occasion, or from storming my home with guns drawn, but i haven't been shot yet. That being said, with all the police shootings that happen, i can certainly understand why a person's fight or flight response could be triggered by cops. These guys should not have ran, and they should not have rammed the cops. They probably didn't deserve to die, but i'll give a pass this time to all the cops except Officer Brelo. This feels strange to me, because i kinda agree with Pris for once. Its very disconcerting. it reminds me of a movie i once saw
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21731934 - 05/28/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Theres no realistic way any of them couldve been injured, and none of them did get injured. These claims of violent assaults on their lives simply dont hold up to reality.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21731947 - 05/28/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: honestly, i think a smart person, would not run from the cops, would comply with their orders, and would probably not get shot. hell, thats what i've always done when i have to deal with the cops. it hasn't kept them from giving me the pinky squeeze on occasion, or from storming my home with guns drawn, but i haven't been shot yet. That being said, with all the police shootings that happen, i can certainly understand why a person's fight or flight response could be triggered by cops. These guys should not have ran, and they should not have rammed the cops. They probably didn't deserve to die, but i'll give a pass this time to all the cops except Officer Brelo. This feels strange to me, because i kinda agree with Pris for once. Its very disconcerting. it reminds me of a movie i once saw
Exactly, there are a ton of legit instances of police brutality. When you use deadly force, expect deadly force to be returned. This goes for anyone regardless of job or where you are in the world.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21731950 - 05/28/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, their actions led to their deaths so they did in fact bring their deaths
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no, one of them had no actions. like i said you dont know that the other wasnt a hostage
so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
let's tel you how the laws work, you're in a car with someone, they decide to rob a bank, you decide you'll wait in the car, you dont exit the vehicle, you dont take the keys, you sit there with the motor running, a few moments later they come running out of the bank with a sack of cash, jump in the car and you speed off
are you an innocent bystander or an accomplice? the law says you're an accomplice
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im not a liberal. and if you paid attention you'd know that. i dont think we should have roads, military, schools, laws, at ALL. i dont think we need them.
i do think we have an environment which is in danger, and if these pesky laws didnt get in the way we would hunt down the people responcible and stop them.
thats how it SHOULD be.
so what you're saying is that you're a liberal and a hypocrite because you say we shouldnt have laws bu you want to hunt down and kill the offenders of what you feel should be the laws
you've just established a form of government, congrats
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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yes, their actions led to their deaths so they did in fact bring their deaths
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no, one of them had no actions. like i said you dont know that the other wasnt a hostage
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im not a liberal. and if you paid attention you'd know that. i dont think we should have roads, military, schools, laws, at ALL. i dont think we need them.
i dont think we should pay taxes.
i do think we have an environment which is in danger, and if these pesky laws didnt get in the way we would hunt down the people responcible and stop them.
thats how it SHOULD be.
i dont believe we should PAY enforcers to KILL people. the military kills people, the police are supposed to keep the peace. they didnt, they killed one person who is CLEARLY innocent (as he wasnt in control and didnt get in the car after the police chase started, he was just in the car. he may have tried to talk the guy out of it, he could have been a hitch hiker... we dont know.
we do know he didnt commit a crime. and he was shot by political enforcers.
"the police are supposed to keep the peace"
And how is that accomplished? By enforcing the laws and apprehending suspects, sometimes that includes being involved in violent scenarios.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21731956 - 05/28/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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come on pris, i just compared you to the freaky nazi guy from Falling Down. I can't troll any harder than that
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
innocent til proven guilty right?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: come on pris, i just compared you to the freaky nazi guy from Falling Down. I can't troll any harder than that
I didnt even see your post
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
innocent til proven guilty right?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
so the cops are supposed to simply lay down and die and hope the criminal turn themselves in for trial? how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
do the cops not have the right to defend their lives?
why is it no one wants to give an answer to that last question
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
did either of them try to exit the vehicle at any time?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
innocent til proven guilty right?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
so the cops are supposed to simply lay down and die and hope the criminal turn themselves in for trial? how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
do the cops not have the right to defend their lives?
why is it no one wants to give an answer to that last question
1- there is no eveidence for intent to kill any police officers that i have seen in this case. It seems more likely that they thought they could ram their way free and make a break for it.
2-yes, cops have a right to defend their lives. However, cops have the benefit of TRAINING, whereas ordinary citizens generally don't. Therfore, it is reasonable to expect cops to show more restraint than an untrained joe blow.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21732006 - 05/28/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0118093
LOL, both for reference and for the overall message.
look, i like discussing things, usually that doesn't really occur here. nuance isn't really prevalent... and... i don't really know what i know, i only think i do, and thus, i mostly believe A: those who have more experience than I, and B: the most likely outcomes, being that they are most likely because they are aimed by those whom are more decisive, are usually better outcomes.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: akira_akuma]
#21732010 - 05/28/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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do the cops not have the right to defend their lives?
yes, and they also have the opportunity to make mistakes or take things too far, out of sheer juxtaposition of events occurring to them at a given time.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21732015 - 05/28/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
innocent til proven guilty right?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
so the cops are supposed to simply lay down and die and hope the criminal turn themselves in for trial? how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
do the cops not have the right to defend their lives?
why is it no one wants to give an answer to that last question
1- there is no eveidence for intent to kill any police officers that i have seen in this case. It seems more likely that they thought they could ram their way free and make a break for it.
2-yes, cops have a right to defend their lives. However, cops have the benefit of TRAINING, whereas ordinary citizens generally don't. Therfore, it is reasonable to expect cops to show more restraint than an untrained joe blow.
"no evidence for intent to kill"
It's not about "intent to kill", it's about intent to potentially injure or kill, the law doesn't care.
A person could fired a gun at a cop and shoot him in the leg, one could also use the rationalization that there was "no evidence for intent to kill", that line of reasoning doesn't work in the real world or the legal system.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21732024 - 05/28/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
innocent til proven guilty right?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
so the cops are supposed to simply lay down and die and hope the criminal turn themselves in for trial? how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
do the cops not have the right to defend their lives?
why is it no one wants to give an answer to that last question
1- there is no eveidence for intent to kill any police officers that i have seen in this case. It seems more likely that they thought they could ram their way free and make a break for it.
2-yes, cops have a right to defend their lives. However, cops have the benefit of TRAINING, whereas ordinary citizens generally don't. Therfore, it is reasonable to expect cops to show more restraint than an untrained joe blow.
My point exactly, two people attempting to escape capture, not necessarily kill anyone. Theres also plenty of other available options to police other then brute force takedowns. A coordinated deployment of speed sticks wouldve been the usual go to a decade ago. The pit maneuver, shooting out there tires, waiting till they ran out of gas, positive ID and issue of a warrant. It seems like American police are leaning more and more towards absolute compliance or death.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21732025 - 05/28/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so the cops are supposed to simply lay down and die and hope the criminal turn themselves in for trial?
its that or murder eh?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21732028 - 05/28/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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two people attempting to escape capture
one person, attempting to escape capture.
one person...trapped in a vehicle?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21732038 - 05/28/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not about "intent to kill", it's about intent to potentially injure or kill, the law doesn't care.
A person could fired a gun at a cop and shoot him in the leg, one could also use the rationalization that there was "no evidence for intent to kill", that line of reasoning doesn't work in the real world or the legal system.
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how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
the point was to show that this is a straw man argument. of course, anyone would seem crazy if they disagreed with shooting criminals that are intent on killing anyone who tries to stop them. But not everyone who runs from the cops fits that description soooo....
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21732056 - 05/28/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not about "intent to kill", it's about intent to potentially injure or kill, the law doesn't care.
A person could fired a gun at a cop and shoot him in the leg, one could also use the rationalization that there was "no evidence for intent to kill", that line of reasoning doesn't work in the real world or the legal system.
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how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
the point was to show that this is a straw man argument. of course, anyone would seem crazy if they disagreed with shooting criminals that are intent on killing anyone who tries to stop them. But not everyone who runs from the cops fits that description soooo....
You're correct, not everyone who runs from the cops has intent to kill anyone, but that's not what happened in this case. The car backfired and convinced the police they were being shot at by the suspects and they also rammed their vehicle into the police car, every situation is different and the judge decided their decisions were legal that day.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman] 1
#21732058 - 05/28/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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you keep saying they.
the passenger rammed no one.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21732070 - 05/28/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
did either of them try to exit the vehicle at any time?
did they have an opportunity?
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21732082 - 05/28/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The car backfired and convinced the police they were being shot at by the suspects and they also rammed their vehicle into the police car
agreed. I just wanted to point out that there is no evidence to indicate that the suspects ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone at all. Maybe the cops were justified, maybe not, thats been decided in court. But i think it is a mis-characterization to imply that the suspects were some sort of bloodthirsty cop killers. Criminals? almost certainly. Attempted cop murderers? it just doesn't sound like it to me
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21732123 - 05/28/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The car backfired and convinced the police they were being shot at by the suspects and they also rammed their vehicle into the police car
agreed. I just wanted to point out that there is no evidence to indicate that the suspects ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone at all. Maybe the cops were justified, maybe not, thats been decided in court. But i think it is a mis-characterization to imply that the suspects were some sort of bloodthirsty cop killers. Criminals? almost certainly. Attempted cop murderers? it just doesn't sound like it to me
"no evidence to indicate that the suspects ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone at all."
Their actions clearly showed they had no regard for anyone's life or safety, it doesn't matter if they "ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone". Why is this concept to difficult to understand? Their actions COULD have killed many innocent people!
"Attempted cop murderers?"
I don't think anyone has tried to make this argument. The police didn't need to prove that statement in the court of law to justify their actions in this case.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: qman]
#21732127 - 05/28/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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no evidence that a passenger did anything to harm anyone at all.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: rxb]
#21732174 - 05/28/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The car backfired and convinced the police they were being shot at by the suspects and they also rammed their vehicle into the police car
agreed. I just wanted to point out that there is no evidence to indicate that the suspects ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone at all. Maybe the cops were justified, maybe not, thats been decided in court. But i think it is a mis-characterization to imply that the suspects were some sort of bloodthirsty cop killers. Criminals? almost certainly. Attempted cop murderers? it just doesn't sound like it to me
"no evidence to indicate that the suspects ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone at all."
Their actions clearly showed they had no regard for anyone's life or safety, it doesn't matter if they "ACTUALLY were trying to hurt anyone". Why is this concept to difficult to understand? Their actions COULD have killed many innocent people!
"Attempted cop murderers?"
I don't think anyone has tried to make this argument. The police didn't need to prove that statement in the court of law to justify their actions in this case.
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so where's the evidence that one of them was a hostage?
innocent til proven guilty right?
wheres the proof he participated in anything illegal willingly?
so the cops are supposed to simply lay down and die and hope the criminal turn themselves in for trial? how are these criminals supposed to be apprehended for trial when they're determined to kill anyone that tries to stop them.
do the cops not have the right to defend their lives?
why is it no one wants to give an answer to that last question
so you see, Pris pretty much did make the argument. I'm not disagreeing with use of force in this case, just with making the suspects out to be something we have no evidence for. Also, as i stated before, i think that Officer Brelo is a fool who's watched too many buddy-cop action flicks. (though it's largely irrelevent to this case since the suspects had already been shot many times before officer Brelo opened fire)
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: ballsalsa]
#21732200 - 05/28/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont see how you say they were defending their life against a passenger.
and neither do you people because you keep lumping the passengers actions in with the driver.
i'll tell you what. come ride with me. and if you touch my brake, or me i'm going to beat you within an inch of your life.
so without doing something thats going to make me harm YOU... stop me from doing things with my car, or leave the vehicle without fear of death.
you cant do it. its not possible. you can grab the brake, but you cant in ALL situations.
you can try to get out, but you may die.
the cops shot somoene who no one can prove had ANYTHING to do with it.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Turtletotem]
#21732937 - 05/28/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Wow, such cool, tough language from some of you here! Real hardassess... real men. You must feel so proud, with your fucking stiffies for police brutality. Go on, you can rub one out on the picture of the aftermath. I know you want to. Maybe stroke eachother off... yeah.
Fucking hell man. You fucking fucks... two people are dead, most people find this an outrage as they should, and then there are these motherfuckers who are eerily okay with it. Like they don't see them as real people? I don't know. Trivializing death is never a sign of a healthy mind, I tell you that.
I do not find it an outrage that somebody who fled the police at 100MPH and endangered thousands is dead.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21732943 - 05/28/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Supachopped719 said: They did ram a police car. You try and kill a cop don't be pissed when they kill you.
There are real issues with police brutality, this isn't one of them.
He jumped on the hood of their car and executed them when the pursuit had already ended and no one was injured or in danger, that cop killed two unarmed people in cold blood. He should be put to death. Thats such a gross misappropriation of force.
And I didnt even read this thread but I know pris is waving his diamond hard erection for the police everywhere.
There is not one shred of evidence that he fired the fatal shot. That was part of the problem with the case.
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Re: Cleveland Officer Not Guilty in Killing Unarmed Pair [Re: zappaisgod]
#21732952 - 05/28/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And I didnt even read this thread but I know pris is waving his diamond hard erection for the police everywhere.
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