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Complexicated
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My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?)
#21728105 - 05/27/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, I used this tek from dmt nexus using 100 grams of MHRB.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
I followed it to a tee and everything seemed to be going well until I started pulling from the basic soup. My pulls were a clearish cloudy color as opposed to the gold or light brown from the pics I saw on the tek. I did some research and read that it's ok if they're clear because that just means I wasn't getting any of the fats from the bark. I didn't shake the bottle vigorously because I didn't want to cause an emulsion so I just turned end over end for 1 minute and let sit for 5 minutes for a total of 4 or 5 times for each pull. I was wondering if I was to gentle with the mixing but I'm not sure.
So when I got to the defat stage I poured the naptha pulls in with the acidic water and mixed for 15 minutes then sucked out the top naptha layer and discarded. Then I poured my caustic water in the bottle with my acidic solution and it went milky white just as expected so I was pleased with that but when I added 50mls of warm naptha it went clear again which I wasn't really expecting. I mixed and let separate 4 times and although I could see the separation between layers they were both clear. The bottom acidic layer was just slightly more cloudy than the top naptha layer.
So now for my final pulls that were all collected on one pyrex dish...Again the pulls were crystal clear and nothing was turning milky white like the tek described. I put the pyrex dish with the pulls under a fan for a few hours to evaporate half the naptha then I covered with cling film and placed in the freezer for 18 hours. Taking the dish out of the freezer I noticed a thin layer of crystals forming at the bottom but again, nothing like the pictures on the tek. I tilted the plate to drain the excess naptha and placed in front of a fan for a few hours.
After that the plate had several small areas with crystals but mostly some sticky clear residue. Even when I touched the crystals they just melted. So I got frustrated figuring I fucked the whole thing up and just smeared all the shit together and put it back under the fan for a few hours just to see what would happen. It remained a sticky layer but I went ahead and scraped it off with a razor blade and ended up with some sticky white/off white goo that smells exactly like new sneakers.
My question is first....what did I do wrong to get this final product instead of fluffy white crystal and two....is the stuff I scraped any good and is it worth keeping or should I toss it?
Thank you in advance to anyone who can help me. I plan on trying this again but I'd like to know where I went wrong first.
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Complexicated
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Complexicated]
#21728162 - 05/27/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a picture of the final product.
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Complexicated]
#21728255 - 05/27/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just FYI, That tek is for ACRB. You shouldn't have to do the mini A/B for the defat step with MHRB. I would go with Cyb's tek, which is basically the same tek minus the mini A/B.
I follow the same tek for my extractions with great success getting over 2% yields with my current batch of ACRB bark. After reading your post a couple times, still not sure of what the issue could be exactly without some speculations.
MHRB is watched in the US and I have read that getting a good vendor for reliable quality bark is real hard. It's possible you just got bad bark.
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Complexicated said: The bottom acidic layer was just slightly more cloudy than the top naptha layer.
Just FYI, once you add your NaOH back to the acidified solution, it's now alkaline which means it's no longer acidic as the PH should be above 12.
I figured I would leave this in here. I wrote this stuff before I realized you used MHRB not ACRB. These suggestions may still apply.
1. Perhaps try mixing the naptha more vigorously. You can reduce the emotions by raising the PH even further (adding a bit more NaOH). So if you find yourself not being able to shake hard enough to really homogenize the polar and non-polar solvents together without creating an emulsion try raising the PH. I use a hot plate magnetic stirrer so I don't shake at all. I simply stir until the vortex homogenizes the two solvents and let the solvents separate.
2. I would recommend using a scientific pipette that you can get for like $4 off Amazon. I have a glass turkey baster too, but I find this tool to be too big and messy. The pipette is much more precise. If you aren't using one, it's possible you are getting a little bit of the plant fats that are suspended between the two solvents, especially if your crystals are melting back into goo.
3. I use HOT naptha for my pulls. I put 50ml of naptha on my hot plate and literally bring it almost a boil. I pull as much as I can from the initial basic soup which leaves my naptha very yellow. Not to worries because this is all cleaned up in the mini A/B, but again I am using ACRB not MHRB.
4. If you duplicate the same results time and time again, I bet it's your bark. Try getting some ACRB instead. I am getting great results right now with it.
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: daytripper05]
#21728294 - 05/27/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was just curious to know how much white vinegar you usually add to the bark mix in the beginning and at the cleanup stage at the end. The tek recommends 50-60 ml but when i transferred the caustic water to the acidic solution the bottle did not turn milky white..is the pH not low enough?
Edited by Psilosoulful (05/27/15 11:10 AM)
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daytripper05
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21728338 - 05/27/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So far I have just been following the measurements on the teks. I just use 60ml. I perform my extractions in a 1L erlenmeyer flask. You could also try to leave your acid and alkaline baths sit longer. Sometimes I leave mine for hours or even overnight. The more the cell walls are broken down, the more DMT is able to become soluble in your solvent. It's all about surface area.
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Complexicated
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: daytripper05]
#21728399 - 05/27/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Daytripper:
Yeah, I plan on trying Cyb's tek next time. I thought mhrb would work with EW's tek but I may have been mistaken. Also, I just bought some more mhrb from another vendor to see if the bark may have been the issue. I thought I read that acrb was illegal in the U.S.? Should I be worried about the mhrb if it's being watched here?
I may try shaking the naptha more next time. I felt like I shook it well enough but maybe not. And I heated the naptha to 125 degrees F so I guess that wasn't hot enough. I was told to keep everything under 125.
Oh, and I am using a glass pipette I bought from Amazon. I also used glass bottles instead of plastic. I even used a stainless steel funnel to avoid using any plastic at all during the process.
So do you think the stuff I have is any good? It sure would be nice if it was usable or salvageable.
Thanks for the reply.
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Complexicated]
#21729378 - 05/27/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't like the looks of your end product. I'd be highly disinclined to bio-assay that.
What you did "wrong" is anybody's guess. If you are working with MHRB, the STB tek is foolproof, simple and gives great results. I will never understand why folks opt for anything other than simple, proven teks. 
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Complexicated
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Nature Boy]
#21741297 - 05/30/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, I'll throw it in the trash.
Yeah, I thought the salt tek looked fairly simple but apparently not simple enough since I found a way to screw it up somehow. I just came across your stb tek and that almost seems too easy. I'll probably give that a try along with cyb's salt tek and see what happens.
Thank you for your input.
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Complexicated
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Complexicated]
#21775073 - 06/07/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok I'm trying this again using Cyb's salt tek. I'm at the pulling stage and I'm putting each pull in it's own glass dish then immediately placing them in the freezer. My first pull came out yellow. The second pull came out a bit clearer than the first but still had a yellowish tint to it. But I noticed some clear bubbles that seemed to squirt out from my pipette and stick to the bottom of the glass dish on the last pull. Is this just plant oils? I only noticed them on the last pull when the naptha layer was really thin. There isn't any black or purple specks floating around in the dish, just the clear bubbles.
Anyone know what this could be? Hopefully just plant oils.
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Complexicated]
#21775960 - 06/07/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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try the chemistry forum for better responces
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Complexicated
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Re: My first dmt extraction (what went wrong?) [Re: Connoisseur]
#21776054 - 06/07/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Will do, thanks.
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