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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #21729164 - 05/27/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey while you're here, why does god favor certain people and have them be born in a part of the world where they will be raised with the correct religion while having others raised in different religions and punishing them for all eternity for it?

Also, did all the jews killed by Hitler also go to hell? Since they didn't believe you were the son of god, and why are you okay with that?

Why did your daddy also not leave any proof of which religion is the right one, considering if the Jesus story is true, well over 5 billion people will be going to hell, and that's only considering the people that are alive now.

Do you call your dad god? or do you have an actual name for him?

If you "are Jesus Christ", youtube some miracles, shit should spread fast enough, or just go out and walk on top of the ocean for a while, someone will film you at some point, be ready for skepticism though, it better be a damn good miracle for me not to consider it a magic trick.

Truly not trying to be a dick, for the sake of argument or until it is proven I'll go with it, but I definitely have some questions and concerns that I'd like to clear up with you, most of them being the reasons why I'm not a big fan of you and especially your dad.




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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: basqueshaman]
    #21729179 - 05/27/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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How about you magically have my wife come back to me, and she fully forgives me for my mistakes.



That's not how free will works..


Matthew 16:4 - A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: Amanita86]
    #21729197 - 05/27/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Is god truly all knowing, past, present, and future? If so, how do we have free will, if he knows my future before it has happened, wouldn't that mean it is predetermined? If I had two choices and had free will to choose, how would he know in advance which one I was going to pick? and if he had knowledge of that, wouldn't that mean I never had an actual choice? Since that would of been what I was going to choose no matter what or else it couldn't be known?

Is he truly all powerful? Because I've asked christians if he is all loving and all powerful then why does hell exist, and I've been told it's because Satan controls hell, but if god is all powerful, how can he not have power or control over something?

And again if he is all powerful and can do anything, can he create something that is out of his control? He has the power to do anything, so he could technically do that, but if he could create something he doesn't have power over, then how is he all powerful and how can he do anything? Seems like one giant paradox to me.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21729217 - 05/27/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

1)The same way you know what it's going to do before hand when you plant a cannabis seed.. I suppose

2) Hell is seperation from life. Mark 12:27 : He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

3):facepalm:..really


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: Amanita86]
    #21729226 - 05/27/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I take it you're a christian? In case you are I'll add in advance that I won't argue when it comes to religion, but would definitely be willing to discuss if you're up to it. I only say that because usually when two people have disagreeing views it turns into a pissing match or name calling and I don't care much for that.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21729235 - 05/27/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've done some studying up on Christian Scriptures.  I'd probably put my final dollar on that bet..  don't get me wrong, I don't profess to be the all mighty know it all though.  I take more of a philisophical/theoretical approach.  Because in all honesty I don't know what is going on, only that something indeed, is going on..


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21729246 - 05/27/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Is god truly all knowing, past, present, and future? If so, how do we have free will, if he knows my future before it has happened, wouldn't that mean it is predetermined? If I had two choices and had free will to choose, how would he know in advance which one I was going to pick? and if he had knowledge of that, wouldn't that mean I never had an actual choice? Since that would of been what I was going to choose no matter what or else it couldn't be known?

Is he truly all powerful? Because I've asked christians if he is all loving and all powerful then why does hell exist, and I've been told it's because Satan controls hell, but if god is all powerful, how can he not have power or control over something?

And again if he is all powerful and can do anything, can he create something that is out of his control? He has the power to do anything, so he could technically do that, but if he could create something he doesn't have power over, then how is he all powerful and how can he do anything? Seems like one giant paradox to me.



I think that goes under the assumption that God is like humans.

I believe in a God, an all consciousness, but above all else it's the culmination of evolution and time as a whole. The universe evolving to become.. Does God even percieve time? Does he percieve time as a whole linearly, like we do? Does the duration feel the same or are we hummingbirds times a million? Or does it feel an infinite and we trickle along like drifting continents..

I kind of see God as if all there was, was a computer. It does all these wonderful things among all it's complexity, but when it comes down to it, it needs an outside force to harness itself potential. And that's why God created life, because God, the universe, life, has potential. But life is also chaos in a sense, no? To direct life would be to turn it to stone.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: Amanita86]
    #21729250 - 05/27/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
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basqueshaman said:
How about you magically have my wife come back to me, and she fully forgives me for my mistakes.



That's not how free will works..


Matthew 16:4 - A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.



It's meant to be a joke, the only reason I was left to begin with is so we can take the time to get on better terms and I can, improve myself academically. I know everything happens for a reason, it's mearly a trial for me,  I'm going to succeed and give my family the life I know they deserve


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: Amanita86]
    #21729252 - 05/27/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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1)The same way you know what it's going to do before hand when you plant a cannabis seed.. I suppose

2) Hell is seperation from life. Mark 12:27 : He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"





I wasn't raised with religion so all my information of it comes from studying it in my late teens or from friends who are christian who I've talked to about it. I used to have more points but atm I can't remember them, but my third point I admit was a little funky haha, believe it or not it isn't actually my argument it was something a friend said to me and I didn't do it any justice with the way I worded it or I just plain said it wrong.

But if you don't mind me asking about the second point, if you go to heaven then does that mean your soul is considered to still be living and if you could elaborate, if you still exist, even in soul form, how is hell a seperation from life.

Again though my goal isn't to disprove you, just understand your point of view since I can't claim to have the right answers and for all I know Christianity could be correct even if I don't believe it is.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource] * 1
    #21729272 - 05/27/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

MXE :facepalm:


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #21729300 - 05/27/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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SirShroomsAlott said:
Is god truly all knowing, past, present, and future? If so, how do we have free will, if he knows my future before it has happened, wouldn't that mean it is predetermined? If I had two choices and had free will to choose, how would he know in advance which one I was going to pick? and if he had knowledge of that, wouldn't that mean I never had an actual choice? Since that would of been what I was going to choose no matter what or else it couldn't be known?

Is he truly all powerful? Because I've asked christians if he is all loving and all powerful then why does hell exist, and I've been told it's because Satan controls hell, but if god is all powerful, how can he not have power or control over something?

And again if he is all powerful and can do anything, can he create something that is out of his control? He has the power to do anything, so he could technically do that, but if he could create something he doesn't have power over, then how is he all powerful and how can he do anything? Seems like one giant paradox to me.



I think that goes under the assumption that God is like humans.

I believe in a God, an all consciousness, but above all else it's the culmination of evolution and time as a whole. The universe evolving to become.. Does God even percieve time? Does he percieve time as a whole linearly, like we do? Does the duration feel the same or are we hummingbirds times a million? Or does it feel an infinite and we trickle along like drifting continents..

I kind of see God as if all there was, was a computer. It does all these wonderful things among all it's complexity, but when it comes down to it, it needs an outside force to harness itself potential. And that's why God created life, because God, the universe, life, has potential. But life is also chaos in a sense, no? To direct life would be to turn it to stone.




This is a very interesting view and in a way relates to my view of what god is. I always thought god is everything and anything, and the reason there is something instead of nothing. Does something actually exist, if nothing is ever aware of its existence? Without consciousness, without something to be aware of the universe, would the universe even exist, since there isn't anything to know of its existence? I feel like I'm hijacking this thread a little so I'll probably save it for another time, but I've always been curious as to whether matter creates consciousness or whether consciousness creates matter. Either way I believe consciousness is an extremely vital part in existence, and in a way don't believe there can be a thing called existence, without anything to be aware that it exist.

If that even makes sense anyway, it's hard to put into words what I believe because I try not to set any of my beliefs in stone, I always leaned more towards the Carl Sagan's viewpoint that we are the universe(or god) trying to understand itself, which is also linked with the fact that all things are connected in some way, whether that's god, or an unconscious force, I'll probably never know, but I think it would be foolish to think there isn't something much greater to all of this, that we probably wouldn't even be able to comprehend in this life because of the complexity of it.

Or the Bill Hicks version that we are all one and life is nothing but a dream and we are all the imaginations of ourselves and we are all god trying to realize our full potential and it's only the illusion that we are seperate from god and one another.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: Srirachi]
    #21729312 - 05/27/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Heaven and Hell is both possible here on earth. I am the pillars of light and I am here to help you realize that heaven is possible here. the seperation from this life as we know it that you talk about is the end of infinity as we know it.

Re-read my first post and my ultimate question. Would you continue this existence, constantly being reborn knowing that each new life could bring unquestionable suffering... or would you end it all for the final judgement knowing that half the world will be forever in hell?


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21729317 - 05/27/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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But if you don't mind me asking about the second point, if you go to heaven then does that mean your soul is considered to still be living and if you could elaborate, if you still exist, even in soul form, how is hell a seperation from life.




There's a few parables that would explain.. but the way I see it.  Life is a progression.  We all started in baby form, and look how far we've come.  Imagine how far we'll go.  Living manna.  The grave was meant for the body, not the soul.  Life can transcend the physical.  Bodily death here isn't the end, it's a graduation.  We're still being built right now.

Hell is seperation from life.  God is Life.  When you choose to go Anti, you choose to go against life, against God.  It seems "numb" but life is a pretty fucking wild thing... hence we play with it, tripping etc.. all that stuff, riding a bike, going to the beach, SO's..etc..

When you willingly go against Life, you eventually get cast out.  The realization of life passing you by,.. your one invitation to the eternal party, must burn.  Can you imagine, realizing you just gave up your one shot?  And you get cast out of Life.  Hell.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #21729348 - 05/27/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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MXE :facepalm:






just to clear this all up for me... you didn't realize you were god until you interacted with some chemical compound, right? So which one was it?


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #21729424 - 05/27/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heaven and Hell is both possible here on earth. I am the pillars of light and I am here to help you realize that heaven is possible here. the seperation from this life as we know it that you talk about is the end of infinity as we know it.

Re-read my first post and my ultimate question. Would you continue this existence, constantly being reborn knowing that each new life could bring unquestionable suffering... or would you end it all for the final judgement knowing that half the world will be forever in hell?



I've experienced similar feelings when I ate a pound of shrooms :rofl2:


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: Srirachi]
    #21731687 - 05/28/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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MXE :facepalm:






just to clear this all up for me... you didn't realize you were god until you interacted with some chemical compound, right? So which one was it?





No. I realized I was the son of god on 5/25/2014 without the help of any drugs. I received a message from heaven through a grey area where heaven cheated a little by communicating through a guy named Lepracohn john.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #21731702 - 05/28/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, so you are trolling.

Sean, is that you?


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #21731704 - 05/28/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've already taken to the streets talking to people. My champion and I have been asking for donations in the form of change. We tell them we need gas for the tank. Basically, doing the spange/donation thing is metaphysically fueling up our truck, or chariot, so I can make it to heaven with the answer to the ultimate question... which NO ONE has answered yet.

Re-read the question. Would you trade infinity and being reborn into this world, for heaven knowing that half the world will go to hell?


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #21731707 - 05/28/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Can I loan you some bitcoin? You seem like a trustworthy person.


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Re: New Leaf. New Life. I have returned. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21731715 - 05/28/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No trolling sir. When i was conceived the people chose my name... and it was in Peoples park i performed my first miracle. I am becoming more and more powerful everyday as the pattern of life weaves itself around me and more symbols and signs start to manifest. My crown alone proves what I say.


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