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Cigarettes
    #21727540 - 05/27/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I used to smoke, but I quit about 7 years ago.  I LOVED smoking. That mid-day treat, that first smoke in the morning with a coffee...

I would never start up again, just no.  I think I'm just looking for a small release.  I can't have a glass of vino in the afternoon while I'm at work, I can't go smoke a joint.  Smokers can go get a fix.  But then they come back and they all stinky.  What's a quitter to do?  Bah, get over it.

Go home at the end of the day, sit in the garden and smoke a doobie. 

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21727544 - 05/27/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: twelvelookslikeu] * 1
    #21727564 - 05/27/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Try vapping


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: basqueshaman]
    #21727567 - 05/27/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You could try krat.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: basqueshaman]
    #21727581 - 05/27/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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basqueshaman said:
Try vapping




This x1000

It's waay better than smoking cigarettes

I vape all day every day and my lungs feel dandy


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: basqueshaman]
    #21727598 - 05/27/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have tried vaping!  It's ok.  I enjoyed it a lot because I like the action of smoking and the smokiness of the exhale.  Also, vaping doesn't have that stinky ciggarette stink.  It's much more pleasant.

I just don't want to inhale chemicals on the regular.  Sometimes, yeah, but not habitually.  I don't need to smoke.  I just miss smoke breaks. 

Do any of you guys vape?


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21727606 - 05/27/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well there's basically 4 core ingredients in most ejuice

Propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine and flavorings

That's it

It's definitely the lesser of two evils as far as nicotine goes and if you're looking for that fix there's no better way to get it than vaping

One cigarette contains thousands of chemicals dozens of which are known to be carcinogenic

There is no such thing as a safe cigarette

Not the case with vaping

Sure it's unknown what the long-term effects could be but I'd wager it won't be as bad as emphysema COPD or lung cancer


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21727617 - 05/27/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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CherryBom said:
I have tried vaping!  It's ok.  I enjoyed it a lot because I like the action of smoking and the smokiness of the exhale.  Also, vaping doesn't have that stinky ciggarette stink.  It's much more pleasant.

I just don't want to inhale chemicals on the regular.  Sometimes, yeah, but not habitually.  I don't need to smoke.  I just miss smoke breaks. 

Do any of you guys vape?



Occasionally I vap, actually it was a great purchase as it helped me break my addiction to tobacco, I occasionally have some nice pipe tobacco or a cigar, but I don't wake up fiending for a cigarette or have the craving for it like I did for round about 10 years


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: basqueshaman]
    #21727627 - 05/27/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not exaggerating when I say vaping is the only thing that helped me quit smoking

Cold turkey never worked I always said screw this and went back to it

Vaping is far more enjoyable to me.. it tastes better, costs less to maintain the habit (after some initial investments) and it doesn't leave you smelling like an ashtray or with a new layer of tar coating your lungs after every drag

I smoked for years and I would still be smoking if it wasn't for my vapes


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21727629 - 05/27/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Used to smoke a pack a day now I just vape all day


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21727710 - 05/27/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

omfg jus do a small bump of powdered drugs in the bathroom like everyone else in the office jeez. They didnt teach you that in college either? :flowstone:


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21727717 - 05/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Also get a medical card and then do bong rips at your desk and if anyone says anything flip the fuck out about medication and put medicine in thier desk and call the cops on them for stealing your perscriptions.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21727723 - 05/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Leave a tray of edibles in the break room


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Connoisseur]
    #21727763 - 05/27/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I use Swedish snus, basically a fancier (supposedly safer version of chewing tobacco). I enjoy it :shrug: Really takes the edge off, and so far no dental problems but have only done it for half a year. :strokebeard:


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    #21727784 - 05/27/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Sanguin3]
    #21728194 - 05/27/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

im about a year out of smoking, never was a heavy smoker but yes, that break that you only get if smoking really can be nice. smoking not so much.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21728269 - 05/27/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I use Swedish snus, basically a fancier (supposedly safer version of chewing tobacco). I enjoy it :shrug: Really takes the edge off, and so far no dental problems but have only done it for half a year. :strokebeard:




I wouldn't really compare Snus to Chew :lol: But Snus does rock.

I've really been cutting down on my cigarette consumption with pipe smoking lately.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21728465 - 05/27/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP could you please correct the typo in the thread title. It's annoying the shit out of me everytime I cliick on the Pub


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Patlal]
    #21728547 - 05/27/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Go to a cigar shop and get a cheap thin cigar if you want the smoking experience. I was at a pack a day and just have one of those cigarette like cigars once a day and love it.

I used to vape and think it totally sucks!


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21728552 - 05/27/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You're lame


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21728555 - 05/27/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21728559 - 05/27/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Go to a cigar shop and get a cheap thin cigar if you want the smoking experience. I was at a pack a day and just have one of those cigarette like cigars once a day and love it.

I used to vape and think it totally sucks!



Cigars WILL bring on the cravings. Especially if you've quit before. Maybe not necessarily the first time, but it catches up with you.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21728568 - 05/27/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.




That's your opinion and your opinion is lame

And I've never wasted my money on nicorette gum so I wouldn't know how the buzz is from that

All I know is my vape tastes a lot better than your shitty cigar


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21728569 - 05/27/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There's nothing lame about trying to get high while being health conscious.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21728571 - 05/27/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.




I have to agree that vaping is a joke and waste of money, much like cigarettes actually. As a smoker I switched over for some unknown reason and no matter how high my nicotine content I never felt a thing. My first cigarette if the day would leave me buzzed and lightheaded (which I actually learned was my brain being starved of oxygen :frown:....) But my first cape of the day, nothing. Compared to cigarettes it was a different, much crappier league. I didn't smoke to see vapor leave my mouth, so I grew tired of it.

Then I got cancer and vowed never to smoke again. I suggest you all do the same :smile:


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21728580 - 05/27/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm about to say fuck it and stop countering all the shit-talkers who rag on vaping

I know it works for me I know I enjoy it and quite frankly I don't give a fuck if you or anyone else thinks it's "super gay"

I just like to spread the truth the truth being that vaping is the best alternative to smoking hands down

But Pub trolls always have to talk shit and make it look bad


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21728590 - 05/27/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Go to a cigar shop and get a cheap thin cigar if you want the smoking experience. I was at a pack a day and just have one of those cigarette like cigars once a day and love it.

I used to vape and think it totally sucks!




The efficacy of ones vape lies in how stupid that person is.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21728596 - 05/27/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21728597 - 05/27/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I don't know. I've tried it before and I definitely felt something. If I remember right it offered that clarity I miss. Lots of flavours and whatever.. It's kind of a hobby almost too because I know they are fairly customizable. I don't know why people say it looks lame.. they look the same as one for thc. It's just a thing. :shrug:

I think smoking cigarettes looks girly.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #21728609 - 05/27/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's lame as fuck that anyone would consider doing/not doing something based on how it makes them look.

That kind of thinking is for the birds. It is meaningless and just a hindrance.

But people just love their self imposed shackles.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: ManianFH]
    #21728651 - 05/27/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.




Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception

And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping

I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: propensity]
    #21728658 - 05/27/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It just looks like you are sucking on a dick/ soother all day and it's better to just quit then waste all that money on vaping.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 5
    #21728661 - 05/27/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's no one's fault but your own if you look at an object and picture a cock.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21728672 - 05/27/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It just looks like you are sucking on a dick/ soother all day and it's better to just quit then waste all that money on vaping.




You sir have the mind of an immature child


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21728728 - 05/27/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.




Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception

And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping

I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth




Then you don't like yourself? Because misinformation is exactly what you are spreading. You have been brainwashed by consumer campaigns that target your age group to make you think what you're doing is in. Nicotine is stupid as fuck, and with all due respect, so are you for trying to defend it. Retarded. You, like I did, might wish one day in the future that you had listened to those who told you not to put potentially dangerous chemicals into your body, but I really hope u don't have to experience that.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21728730 - 05/27/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.




Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception

And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping

I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth




People suck on those vape pens way more than they puff on cigs IME. They hit their vape pens all day. I'll bet the nicotine dose is pretty comparable (maybe even higher for some). There might be less carcinogens in vape oil, but the cardiovascular effects from the nicotine are probably pretty comparable. I don't think it's well studied, but if anybody is serious about quitting, then they should quit the vape ASAP too. Who knows what minor side products are really in those vape oils. I doubt they're well regulated. Plus I've heard of people getting heavy metal poisoning from cheap heating elements. The vape might be safer than real cigs, but it's still bad idea. Don't glamorize it.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: ManianFH]
    #21728738 - 05/27/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay unless you post up some links proving that nicotine is harmful in doses ingested through vaping all I will consider that comment is an ignorant insult of my intelligence


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Sanguin3]
    #21728755 - 05/27/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Vaping sucks cause you gotta hit it all day and you get no buzz. IDK man if you wanna quit cigs just quit and skip the vaping.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21728756 - 05/27/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.




Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception

And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping

I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth




People suck on those vape pens way more than they puff on cigs IME. They hit their vape pens all day. I'll bet the nicotine dose is pretty comparable (maybe even higher for some). There might be less carcinogens in vape oil, but the cardiovascular effects from the nicotine are probably pretty comparable. I don't think it's well studied, but if anybody is serious about quitting, then they should quit the vape ASAP too. Who knows what minor side products are really in those vape oils. I doubt they're well regulated. Plus I've heard of people getting heavy metal poisoning from cheap heating elements. The vape might be safer than real cigs, but it's still bad idea. Don't glamorize it.




Actually the studies have been done and if you had done the research you would know that vaping is confirmed to be roughly 100x better for the body than tobacco smoking

But as usual the Pub is talking out of its ass so I'm done fighting this futile battle against a bunch of people who think they know what they're talking about


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    #21728792 - 05/27/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #21729111 - 05/27/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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mick said:
Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.




Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception

And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping

I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth




Then you don't like yourself? Because misinformation is exactly what you are spreading. You have been brainwashed by consumer campaigns that target your age group to make you think what you're doing is in. Nicotine is stupid as fuck, and with all due respect, so are you for trying to defend it. Retarded. You, like I did, might wish one day in the future that you had listened to those who told you not to put potentially dangerous chemicals into your body, but I really hope u don't have to experience that.




Sorry dude. I respect you and all, but you need to do your research before making such harsh claims and preaching misinformed nonsense.
This is a topic I am quite passionate about, so prepare for a knowledge bomb.

Vaping is easily a 10-500x safer alternative for you than smoking cigarettes with their 25+ known carcinogens.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ECigsExhaledSmoke.htm
http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/03/05/tobaccocontrol-2012-050859.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4110871/
http://www.vapersclub.com/Eissenberg2ndstudy.pdf
http://mnvapers.com/2014/04/epa-fda-vapor-harmless-children/
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/EUROECHO2013-ecigs.pdf
http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Research-on-Safety-of-Electronic-Cigarettes-Dr.-Konstantinos-Farsalinos-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf
http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/10/10/5146/pdf

NOT ONLY THAT, but vaping propylene glycol is actually GOOD for your lungs and your immune system.
It is an extremely potent germicide and has been pumped through ventilation systems on airplanes and in hospitals for over 70 years because it is such a powerful germicide and air disinfectant. It has also been used as a primary ingredient in asthma inhalers and other nebulizers since the 1950s. It is quite well studied.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/e-cigarette-vapor-shown-repress-immune-system


NOW - as for nicotine itself, although it is toxic at high doses, (So is aspirin, caffeine, WATER, many other things)... by itself in small quantities it is quite benign and there is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence that nicotine alone causes any form of cancer or seriously long term chronic effects (aside from mild addiction). Mostly what causes cancer/emphysema in cigarettes, is the 500+ chemical cocktail that is added to tobacco in most major cigarettes, and 4000 chemicals produced during combustion, including the 25+ known carcinogens released in high quantities. Not to mention the tar and carbon monoxide.

Nicotine has mostly been demonized because 1) It is addictive and 2) It has always been associated with smoking, and everyone knows smoking kills right?

Well as it turns out, nicotine by itself is not really all that harmful, it's about as benign as caffeine. Especially at the very low quantities you usually get from vaping, which are on average about 5-10x less than cigarettes. It's been the delivery method of the nicotine that has been the problem. By itself, it is a mild central system stimulant similar to caffeine, has very mild addictive properties also very much like caffeine. Nicotine is also a vascular constrictor, also like caffeine.

IN ADDITION TO THAT. Nicotine has proven to have many different health benefits, and shows to be extremely effective for treating: Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Schizophrenia and other neurological diseases. It has also been shown to have great potential to increase cognitive abilities, treat depression and anxiety, ADHD, Tourette Syndrome, as well as diabetes.
FDA statement
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/will-a-nicotine-patch-make-you-smarter-excerpt/
http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nicotine-safety-in-the-context-of-e-cigarette-use-and-tobacco-dependence-Jacques-Le-Houezec-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf

Here is an interview with a heart surgeon on what he thinks about Ecigs


As for the people who say they tried vaping and think it sucks and it just didn't "do it" for them and cigarettes are better - you were using the wrong device and/or e-juice, period.

There's a million different variables out there and a lot of shitty products as well. Any of the disposable ecigs you find at gas stations and the like, are absolute garbage produced by big tobacco companies, so who knows what's in that shit. They produce shit vapor, come prefilled and can't be refilled with your own juice, or the battery changed, they last for a week and then you throw it away. They are absolute garbage. The next level up is the Pen style vapes with refillable tanks like the Egos, these are what most people start on and they are a bit better because you can replace the battery, add your own ejuice, change the (prebuilt) coils, etc, but they generally suck too because they produce piddly vapor that isn't enough to satisfy a lot of people and don't last for shit. Some people will get these, some shitty juice with not enough nic or whatever because they just went from smoking 2 packs a day, and it won't satisfy them and they will think vaping just sucks, because they weren't able to experience the real potential or they just didn't get the right variables of stuff.  In addition to the device used, the ejuice is just as important if not much more important. It takes time to find the right blends that are perfect for you, and you need to start off with enough nicotine level to satisfy your cravings so you don't smoke. 

Then it just gets more advanced from there.
Us crazy people have 100w+ regulated box mods using 18650 or 26650 batteries on rebuildable atomizers and build our own coils and wicks, and make our own juice, so we know EXACTLY what goes into it, or buy only from trusted vendors who use only the highest quality ingredients and don't use any ingredients or flavorings which have any questionable health effects. All my ejuice is made from 99.9% pure pharmaceutical grade nicotine, USP grade propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and food based flavorings which contain absolutely no diacetyl, acetoin, acetyl propionyl or equivalents, sourced from trusted US based vendors who do GC/MS testing. I am pretty damn sure my Ejuice is safe. Buy some shitty ejuice from China and all bets are off. 

The device you use makes a big fucking difference as well as the quality of the ejuice you are using.
As well, the nicotine level you start off on needs to be of a sufficient enough level to satisfy you and get you off of cigarettes.
Because that's the goal of ecigs - to get people off fucking cigarettes. It's a MUCH MUCH safer alternative way of getting your nicotine.
The other added benefit, and goal of most vapers - is the ability to slowly lower your nicotine level down gradually over time.
I started at 24mg/ml of nicotine, I am now down to 3mg/ml. I ENJOY the benefits of nicotine, so I don't know if I will ever drop to 0, but we will see.

And it's the single most effective alternative method to quit smoking cigarettes to date. Every single person I have personally introduced and guided into the Ecig world with proper knowledge has quit cigarettes completely, a 100% success rate out of about 30-40 people. Because when done properly, it satisfies the nicotine craving completely (without all the harmful and carcinogenic chemicals), replaces the psychological "ritual" of inhaling something, and is without one single doubt, MUCH MUCH safer for you than inhaling cigarettes smoke and actually has some HEALTH BENEFITS.

Other methods are not nearly as effective or successful. The patch doesn't work for most people, neither does nicotine gum. I have seen a women who was addicted to nicotine gum and she still smoked 2 packs a day :lol:
"Chantrix" the stop smoking pharmaceutical has been shown to cause people to be 8 times more likely to commit suicide and fall into depression :lol:

Some people will say don't be a pussy and just quit cold turkey.
How about don't be a dumbass a realize not everyone is exactly the same.
Some people don't have the willpower to quit cold turkey
Some people ENJOY the benefits they get from nicotine, but don't want to kill themselves with smoking
Some people just want to fucking quit smoking.
90% of the "addiction" to cigarettes is a psychological one - the oral fixation and the inhaling/exhaling, the 10 minute break you take at work or after meals or whatever.

Ecigs offers an easy solution to these problems without compromising the health and cancering the fuck out of you, it makes quitting smoking cigarettes a breeze when done right, so don't knock if you don't know what you're spouting off about.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
    #21729144 - 05/27/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People suck on those vape pens way more than they puff on cigs IME. They hit their vape pens all day. I'll bet the nicotine dose is pretty comparable (maybe even higher for some). There might be less carcinogens in vape oil, but the cardiovascular effects from the nicotine are probably pretty comparable. I don't think it's well studied, but if anybody is serious about quitting, then they should quit the vape ASAP too. Who knows what minor side products are really in those vape oils. I doubt they're well regulated. Plus I've heard of people getting heavy metal poisoning from cheap heating elements. The vape might be safer than real cigs, but it's still bad idea. Don't glamorize it.




Heavy metal poisoning eh? Please do post sources. Or are you talking about contaminated e-juice from China?
Or are you talking about the 100% flawed, unscientific bullshit study that got plastered everywhere saying Ecigs produce more formaldehyde than cigarettes?

That one has been thoroughly debunked, btw, and was based on a completely unrealistic, non-real world test and does not hold up to any kind of actual scientific scrutiny.
http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/210-ald

Vape 'oil' what kind of oil are we talking about here? I don't know what kind of ejuice you are vaping...

Ecigs do need to be further studied, but what we DO know so far based on hundreds of studies is that it is without a single solitary doubt a MUCH safer alternative to smoking and a very effective means of quitting.

The problem is that since it is an unregulated industry there can be any number of variables including poor quality control, contamination and other terrible things. Hence why it is important to do your research and only buy from trusted vendors who follow the highest standards for quality so you aren't buying some shitty ejuice from some factory in Shanghai or whatever.

Don't unglamorize it, Ecigs Save fucking lives.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Shroomism]
    #21729158 - 05/27/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Shroomism is really serious about vaping.

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21729172 - 05/27/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.





Says the guy who used to vape, and actually used to say how much he enjoyed it :facepalm:


Start doing meth or something again. You're not even remotely cool anymore.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21729177 - 05/27/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Damn fucking straight I am. :manofapproval:

It saves lives. I will continue to preach their glories.
I don't think non smokers should vape, but there is no better way for the majority of people to get off cigarettes then with vaping. It's already crushing big tobacco pretty bad.

But actually, I have a good friend who vapes 0% nicotine ejuice. He never smoked a cigarette in his life, but he loves vaping ejuice with no nicotine just for the flavors.
Because to him it's just like a mini pocket hookah, any flavor you want, without all harmful effects. Just blowing fat fluffy fruity clouds.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #21729178 - 05/27/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.





Says the guy who used to vape, and actually used to say how much he enjoyed it :facepalm:


Start doing meth or something again. You're not even remotely cool anymore.




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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: CherryBom]
    #21729236 - 05/27/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh the other benefits of Ecigs:

You can vape like crazy in your car. It won't stink up your car. You wont burn holes all over your seats and carpet.
I started vaping and quit smoking around the exact same time I got a new car. 2 years later my car still smells fresh as a daisy and I blow fat clouds in it constantly. Like I fill the fucking thing with monstrous clouds of vapor.  Still looks and smells new inside. Not one cigarette has been lit in my car.
You can vape in your house, it wont stain your fucking walls and windows and carpet and everything yellow and make everything smell like smoke, your clothes don't smell like an ashtray.
Your sense of smell and taste and ability to breathe comes back...
I'm allowed to vape at my desk at work, several of my coworkers vape... and my boss. No one is bothered by it, in fact our other non-smoking/vaping coworkers actually enjoy it and like the smells. Cause we vape the good shit. They try to guess what flavors we are vaping that day. It's a fun game.

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: ManianFH]
    #21729319 - 05/27/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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mick said:
Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.




Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception

And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping

I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth




Then you don't like yourself? Because misinformation is exactly what you are spreading. You have been brainwashed by consumer campaigns that target your age group to make you think what you're doing is in. Nicotine is stupid as fuck, and with all due respect, so are you for trying to defend it. Retarded. You, like I did, might wish one day in the future that you had listened to those who told you not to put potentially dangerous chemicals into your body, but I really hope u don't have to experience that.



:lolsy:

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: propensity]
    #21729342 - 05/27/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

eat cookies. If ur eating too much cookies just buy more expensive cookies until you can't afford to eat too many cookies.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: teamkiller]
    #21729363 - 05/27/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Vaping does nothing?

When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.

While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.


Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes

I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #21729377 - 05/27/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well, stupid news from Ontario. Ecigs are gonna be highly regulated due to their potential health dangers. Failing upwards as usual.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Patlal]
    #21729421 - 05/27/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, they said the flavours make it more accessible to kids.. Same reason they're getting rid of menthols.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21729427 - 05/27/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, they said the flavours make it more accessible to kids.. Same reason they're getting rid of menthols.




Think of the children!

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Its harder for kids to get cigarettes or alcohol than it is for them to get illegal drugs.

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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #21729449 - 05/27/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vaping does nothing?

When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.

While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.


Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes

I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes




What nic % were you vaping at and wtf kind of juice were you vaping that was enough to almost make you puke? WTF were you vaping 36mg/ml?


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    #21729502 - 05/27/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

whats a good vape i know on joe rogan redban is always talking about a new vape he has but i never payed attention, what are supposed to be the good ones? and best site for the juice that isn't made from the sweat of heavy metal contaminated little children in china?


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21729531 - 05/27/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That really depends on what you are after and how much you can spend. A decent good setup will cost around 100 to get started with a really solid setup.
Start here - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/236

I just recommended a IPV 4 100 Watt or Sigelei50w and Herakles Sub-Ohm tank to someone in PM, that's what I would get if I was buying a new tank setup right now.
As for juice there's tons of good vendors, seduce juice was one of my favorites, before I was making my own. Check that forum.


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Shroomism]
    #21729578 - 05/27/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vaping does nothing?

When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.

While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.


Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes

I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes




What nic % were you vaping at and wtf kind of juice were you vaping that was enough to almost make you puke? WTF were you vaping 36mg/ml?



the e-juice i got said 24mg of nicotine and it was a 15ml bottle.

Im not joking around though, when i did it i was literally vaping constantly. I would hit it more than once every minute, and i was taking giant hits. Actually i would pretty much just hit it constantly, only stopping to breathe fresh air when i started to get too light headed

Thats not healthy, and thats why i stopped using e-cigs, because if i wasn't constantly taking big vape hits, i thought that i should be


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #21729603 - 05/27/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

>Sorry dude. I respect you and all, but you need to do your research before making such harsh claims and preaching misinformed nonsense.
This is a topic I am quite passionate about, so prepare for a knowledge bomb.

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Yeah after that post I started thinking that I came off too strong, my apologies ohmrjohnson. I am pretty passionate about not smoking anymore, due to my personal health experiences with it, and the lessons I've had to learn.

Anyways, thanks for the info. I do not wish to yuck anyone's wow, which is what seems to have been done. If u enjoy using those things, have at it, and even though I will never touch it again, I certainly hope you have a long happy and healthy life with your decision, truly.


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    #21729615 - 05/27/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's still a really high nic percentage especially if you are taking huge clouds, no wonder you were getting dizzy and shit.
You say one 15ml bottle? How long did you vape for a couple days?
One you shouldn't puff it constantly and two it's likely your nic percentage was way too high. 24mg is generally recommended for people who smoked like 2 packs a day or more on average - the straight chain smoking fiends. Or if you are using a sub-ohm tank or something then it needs to be even lower, the more vapor the less nicotine concentration you need. 12mg or 18mg is what most people do on tanks who are starting out. Even 12mg is way too much for me now, I vape 3mg on a dripper, may go to 2mg soon.


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    #21729640 - 05/27/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:highfive:

just trying to educate. I got two people PMing me asking me about vaping shit now so I guess it worked.


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    #21729893 - 05/27/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dewd 24mg is wayyy too high dewd. I like nice milky vapour but ive learned I like to keep the nicotine low like less than 12mg even.


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    #21729901 - 05/27/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

fo reals tho. I vaped 12 on a tank. Dropped to 6mg on a dripper, now I'm comfy at 3. Even that can give me a buzz if I blow monster clouds, I may try 2 or 1.


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    #21729923 - 05/27/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeh most people I talk with have weened down on the nic levels. The first day I walked into a vape store they were like yeh we got all these different nicotine concentrations  and i was like psssh give me the strongest one. :lol: I dont think anyone should really be vaping a +24mg liquid even if you were a 4 pack a day smoker or something outragious.


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    #21729970 - 05/27/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nicotine has been my fix lately.

and those 500 chemicals... erm... MMMMMM.  :smoker:


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    #21729978 - 05/27/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

vaping 24mg right now :frown: i can go down to 18  but 12 is too low so far.  I use a normal low watt tank.


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    #21730130 - 05/27/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

if your using an ego style entry level pen your going to want to keep your nic levels up.

but once you spend monies on a better setup, drop that shit immediatly


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #21730914 - 05/28/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vaping does nothing?

When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.

While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.


Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes

I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes




What nic % were you vaping at and wtf kind of juice were you vaping that was enough to almost make you puke? WTF were you vaping 36mg/ml?



the e-juice i got said 24mg of nicotine and it was a 15ml bottle.

Im not joking around though, when i did it i was literally vaping constantly. I would hit it more than once every minute, and i was taking giant hits. Actually i would pretty much just hit it constantly, only stopping to breathe fresh air when i started to get too light headed

Thats not healthy, and thats why i stopped using e-cigs, because if i wasn't constantly taking big vape hits, i thought that i should be





I used 24mg juice when I first quit smoking.  I smoked full flavor camels, pack to pack and a half a day and needed that extra ooommpph to help get me away from the habitual as much as the physical nicotine withdrawl.  I was vaping a LOT because it didnt 100% satisfy my urges to smoke, sort of like when you are hooked to a very specific brand a cig and then only have some completely different brand all day, it never quite satisfies the same.

Because of that I would get nicotine sick pretty damn quick, especially if I didn't eat.  After the first week tho as I adjusted to it I started vaping more on par with what my smoking schedule was like, and after a few months like that I started dropping my nicotine level.  I'm at 12mg now and about to drop to 6 on my next order.  24mg is daaaamn strong stuff if you are hitting it a lot.


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    #21731652 - 05/28/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People suck on those vape pens way more than they puff on cigs IME. They hit their vape pens all day. I'll bet the nicotine dose is pretty comparable (maybe even higher for some). There might be less carcinogens in vape oil, but the cardiovascular effects from the nicotine are probably pretty comparable. I don't think it's well studied, but if anybody is serious about quitting, then they should quit the vape ASAP too. Who knows what minor side products are really in those vape oils. I doubt they're well regulated. Plus I've heard of people getting heavy metal poisoning from cheap heating elements. The vape might be safer than real cigs, but it's still bad idea. Don't glamorize it.




Heavy metal poisoning eh? Please do post sources. Or are you talking about contaminated e-juice from China?
Or are you talking about the 100% flawed, unscientific bullshit study that got plastered everywhere saying Ecigs produce more formaldehyde than cigarettes?

That one has been thoroughly debunked, btw, and was based on a completely unrealistic, non-real world test and does not hold up to any kind of actual scientific scrutiny.
http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/210-ald

Vape 'oil' what kind of oil are we talking about here? I don't know what kind of ejuice you are vaping...

Ecigs do need to be further studied, but what we DO know so far based on hundreds of studies is that it is without a single solitary doubt a MUCH safer alternative to smoking and a very effective means of quitting.

The problem is that since it is an unregulated industry there can be any number of variables including poor quality control, contamination and other terrible things. Hence why it is important to do your research and only buy from trusted vendors who follow the highest standards for quality so you aren't buying some shitty ejuice from some factory in Shanghai or whatever.

Don't unglamorize it, Ecigs Save fucking lives.




The heavy metal poisoning was from shitty Chinese heating elements, not from shitty Chinese oil. I can't remember where I read about it, but it is a small risk, and I'm sure it's easily avoidable if you don't cheap out. I was just using it as an example to show how poorly regulated all this shit is, which is a health concern.



As for the glam,

I've seen nonsmokers start smoking vapes, and I've seen pack a day smokers switch to them. For pack a day smokers it's a good switch, but for a nonsmoker it's probably a bad idea, especially when they puff on the thing all day long. The vapes sell well for the same reason that normal cigs sell well: smoking is cool and people are dumb. I strongly doubt that most people use e-cigs in a disciplined manor to stop smoking entirely, but when they do, it's probably about as harmful and effective as nicorette gum or nicotine patches. That is a plus for people who are seriously trying to quit smoking [EDIT: It is probably overall a better alternative even for continuing habitual use], but for anybody else the benefits are dubious at best.

The fact of the matter is that selling vapes and vape oil is profitable as shit right now, and sexing it up is nothing but amoral profiteering until more thorough research has been done. All this premature hype reminds me of when heroine was marketed as a cure for morphine addiction.



I'm also not seeing the benefits of smoking propylene glycol. It might work well as an environmental disinfectant, but that doesn't mean inhaling it is a good idea. One of the links you posted says it works as an immunosupressent, which is good during an asthma attack but is bad for an otherwise healthy lung. Here's a quote from one of your links:

""E-cigarette vapor alone produced mild effects on the lungs, including inflammation and protein damage," Sussan explained. "However, when this exposure was followed by a bacterial or viral infection, the harmful effects of e-cigarette exposure became even more pronounced. The e-cigarette exposure inhibited the ability of mice to clear the bacteria from their lungs, and the viral infection led to increased weight loss and death indicative of an impaired immune response.”"

Sure, those mice died after being exposed to glamorous e-cig vapor, and granted, mice are way more susceptible to respiratory infections than humans. But carelessly fucking with the immune system in your lungs for no good reason is stupid, not beneficial.

EDIT: I should clarify. The link states that a the immune system was suppressed by e-cig smoke, not propylene glycol specifically. Though there is some evidence that suggests propylene glycol may be immunotoxic.


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    #21732078 - 05/28/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #21732106 - 05/28/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

when i started smoking, i never imaged such thing as an electronic ciggarrette.  it feels so futuristic.  Where i live (denver) TONS of people use them.  Everywhere i see them, probably more than i see people smoking cigs. We've got like 8-10 vape shops I think.
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    #21736084 - 05/29/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It'd be nice to post some quick summary of relevant info when you post droves of links like that. It's hard to tease out the important info from some of those links and most of them weren't focused on studying immunosupression specifically. Here's a link about some study of the immunotoxicity of propylene glycol on human NK cells and neutrophils (was done in vitro).


http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+174

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/IMMUNOTOXICITY/ ... The in vitro effects of propylene glycol on human natural killer cell and neutrophil cell populations was studied. In the first half of the experiment, a natural killer cytotoxicity assay was performed. Peripheral mononuclear cells were isolated from the blood of one human volunteer and used as the effector cells in the assay. Cultured K562 erythroleukemia cells were used as the target cells. Three concentrations of effector cells were incubated in separate wells of microtiter plates with propylene glycol in phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) diluted to final concentrations of 0.01, 0.1, and 1%. PBS alone was used as a control. 100 uL of the target cells was added to each well. Cytotoxicity was measured by observing the percentage (51)Cr release. The cytotoxicity of human natural killer cells was decreased significantly when cells were incubated with 1% propylene glycol (p < 0.002). Concentrations of 0.01 and 0.1% propylene glycol did not significantly decrease the natural killer cell activity. In the second part of the experiment, ... the effects of propylene glycol /were tested/ on isolated human neutrophils. Blood was collected from a human volunteer, and mononuclear cells were isolated. The isolated cells were incubated in a solution containing Hank's Balanced Salt Solution, heparin, and 10 uL luminol (5-amino-2,3-dihydro-1,4-phthalazimedione). The incubated cells were taken in aliquots of 1mL and placed in specially designed cuvettes for 30 min. The cells were then incubated with propylene glycol diluted to final concentrations of 0.0, 0.1, 0.5, or 1.0%. Latex particles coated with IgG were added to each tube, and the chemiluminescence was measured. The neutrophil chemiluminescence was significantly decreased in the cells incubated with 0.5 and 1.0 % propylene glycol.
[Cosmetic Ingredient Review Expert Panel; J Am Coll Toxicol 13 (6): 437-91 (1994)] **PEER REVIEWED**

/IMMUNOTOXICITY/ In vitro, 1% propylene glycol is cytotoxic to natural killer cells.
[IPCS; Poisons Information Monograph 443: Propylene glycol (May 1994). Available from, as of January 4, 2009: http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/chemical/pim443.htm **PEER REVIEWED**

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The data is not conclusive, but it definitely suggests that propylene glycol could interefere with the immune system in the lungs.  What really matters though is that the mice's immune systems were suppressed by the e-cig vapor, and that's bad. It's probably not as bad a real cigs, but it's still detrimental.



Here's another okay link about how shitty the quality control is with these things. The producers are lucky their market doesn't actually care about accuracy.

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/23/suppl_2/ii11.full


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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21736718 - 05/29/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, i'm pretty concerned about the many unknowns with using an e-cig.  Smoking cigs was a known killing me and destroying my quality of life.  I feel a lot better in the short term using an ecig, so i'm willing to gamble the short term benefit over the long term unknown.

I hope all the science people start investigating the shit out of them though.


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