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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: ManianFH] 3
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mick said: Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.
Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception
And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping
I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth
Then you don't like yourself? Because misinformation is exactly what you are spreading. You have been brainwashed by consumer campaigns that target your age group to make you think what you're doing is in. Nicotine is stupid as fuck, and with all due respect, so are you for trying to defend it. Retarded. You, like I did, might wish one day in the future that you had listened to those who told you not to put potentially dangerous chemicals into your body, but I really hope u don't have to experience that.
Sorry dude. I respect you and all, but you need to do your research before making such harsh claims and preaching misinformed nonsense. This is a topic I am quite passionate about, so prepare for a knowledge bomb.
Vaping is easily a 10-500x safer alternative for you than smoking cigarettes with their 25+ known carcinogens. http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ECigsExhaledSmoke.htm http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/03/05/tobaccocontrol-2012-050859.short http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4110871/ http://www.vapersclub.com/Eissenberg2ndstudy.pdf http://mnvapers.com/2014/04/epa-fda-vapor-harmless-children/ http://www.ecigarette-research.com/EUROECHO2013-ecigs.pdf http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Research-on-Safety-of-Electronic-Cigarettes-Dr.-Konstantinos-Farsalinos-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/10/10/5146/pdf
NOT ONLY THAT, but vaping propylene glycol is actually GOOD for your lungs and your immune system. It is an extremely potent germicide and has been pumped through ventilation systems on airplanes and in hospitals for over 70 years because it is such a powerful germicide and air disinfectant. It has also been used as a primary ingredient in asthma inhalers and other nebulizers since the 1950s. It is quite well studied. http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/e-cigarette-vapor-shown-repress-immune-system
NOW - as for nicotine itself, although it is toxic at high doses, (So is aspirin, caffeine, WATER, many other things)... by itself in small quantities it is quite benign and there is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence that nicotine alone causes any form of cancer or seriously long term chronic effects (aside from mild addiction). Mostly what causes cancer/emphysema in cigarettes, is the 500+ chemical cocktail that is added to tobacco in most major cigarettes, and 4000 chemicals produced during combustion, including the 25+ known carcinogens released in high quantities. Not to mention the tar and carbon monoxide.
Nicotine has mostly been demonized because 1) It is addictive and 2) It has always been associated with smoking, and everyone knows smoking kills right?
Well as it turns out, nicotine by itself is not really all that harmful, it's about as benign as caffeine. Especially at the very low quantities you usually get from vaping, which are on average about 5-10x less than cigarettes. It's been the delivery method of the nicotine that has been the problem. By itself, it is a mild central system stimulant similar to caffeine, has very mild addictive properties also very much like caffeine. Nicotine is also a vascular constrictor, also like caffeine.
IN ADDITION TO THAT. Nicotine has proven to have many different health benefits, and shows to be extremely effective for treating: Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Schizophrenia and other neurological diseases. It has also been shown to have great potential to increase cognitive abilities, treat depression and anxiety, ADHD, Tourette Syndrome, as well as diabetes. FDA statement http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/will-a-nicotine-patch-make-you-smarter-excerpt/ http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nicotine-safety-in-the-context-of-e-cigarette-use-and-tobacco-dependence-Jacques-Le-Houezec-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf
Here is an interview with a heart surgeon on what he thinks about Ecigs
As for the people who say they tried vaping and think it sucks and it just didn't "do it" for them and cigarettes are better - you were using the wrong device and/or e-juice, period.
There's a million different variables out there and a lot of shitty products as well. Any of the disposable ecigs you find at gas stations and the like, are absolute garbage produced by big tobacco companies, so who knows what's in that shit. They produce shit vapor, come prefilled and can't be refilled with your own juice, or the battery changed, they last for a week and then you throw it away. They are absolute garbage. The next level up is the Pen style vapes with refillable tanks like the Egos, these are what most people start on and they are a bit better because you can replace the battery, add your own ejuice, change the (prebuilt) coils, etc, but they generally suck too because they produce piddly vapor that isn't enough to satisfy a lot of people and don't last for shit. Some people will get these, some shitty juice with not enough nic or whatever because they just went from smoking 2 packs a day, and it won't satisfy them and they will think vaping just sucks, because they weren't able to experience the real potential or they just didn't get the right variables of stuff. In addition to the device used, the ejuice is just as important if not much more important. It takes time to find the right blends that are perfect for you, and you need to start off with enough nicotine level to satisfy your cravings so you don't smoke.
Then it just gets more advanced from there. Us crazy people have 100w+ regulated box mods using 18650 or 26650 batteries on rebuildable atomizers and build our own coils and wicks, and make our own juice, so we know EXACTLY what goes into it, or buy only from trusted vendors who use only the highest quality ingredients and don't use any ingredients or flavorings which have any questionable health effects. All my ejuice is made from 99.9% pure pharmaceutical grade nicotine, USP grade propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and food based flavorings which contain absolutely no diacetyl, acetoin, acetyl propionyl or equivalents, sourced from trusted US based vendors who do GC/MS testing. I am pretty damn sure my Ejuice is safe. Buy some shitty ejuice from China and all bets are off.
The device you use makes a big fucking difference as well as the quality of the ejuice you are using. As well, the nicotine level you start off on needs to be of a sufficient enough level to satisfy you and get you off of cigarettes. Because that's the goal of ecigs - to get people off fucking cigarettes. It's a MUCH MUCH safer alternative way of getting your nicotine. The other added benefit, and goal of most vapers - is the ability to slowly lower your nicotine level down gradually over time. I started at 24mg/ml of nicotine, I am now down to 3mg/ml. I ENJOY the benefits of nicotine, so I don't know if I will ever drop to 0, but we will see.
And it's the single most effective alternative method to quit smoking cigarettes to date. Every single person I have personally introduced and guided into the Ecig world with proper knowledge has quit cigarettes completely, a 100% success rate out of about 30-40 people. Because when done properly, it satisfies the nicotine craving completely (without all the harmful and carcinogenic chemicals), replaces the psychological "ritual" of inhaling something, and is without one single doubt, MUCH MUCH safer for you than inhaling cigarettes smoke and actually has some HEALTH BENEFITS.
Other methods are not nearly as effective or successful. The patch doesn't work for most people, neither does nicotine gum. I have seen a women who was addicted to nicotine gum and she still smoked 2 packs a day  "Chantrix" the stop smoking pharmaceutical has been shown to cause people to be 8 times more likely to commit suicide and fall into depression
Some people will say don't be a pussy and just quit cold turkey. How about don't be a dumbass a realize not everyone is exactly the same. Some people don't have the willpower to quit cold turkey Some people ENJOY the benefits they get from nicotine, but don't want to kill themselves with smoking Some people just want to fucking quit smoking. 90% of the "addiction" to cigarettes is a psychological one - the oral fixation and the inhaling/exhaling, the 10 minute break you take at work or after meals or whatever.
Ecigs offers an easy solution to these problems without compromising the health and cancering the fuck out of you, it makes quitting smoking cigarettes a breeze when done right, so don't knock if you don't know what you're spouting off about.
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Mr.GuessWork said: People suck on those vape pens way more than they puff on cigs IME. They hit their vape pens all day. I'll bet the nicotine dose is pretty comparable (maybe even higher for some). There might be less carcinogens in vape oil, but the cardiovascular effects from the nicotine are probably pretty comparable. I don't think it's well studied, but if anybody is serious about quitting, then they should quit the vape ASAP too. Who knows what minor side products are really in those vape oils. I doubt they're well regulated. Plus I've heard of people getting heavy metal poisoning from cheap heating elements. The vape might be safer than real cigs, but it's still bad idea. Don't glamorize it.
Heavy metal poisoning eh? Please do post sources. Or are you talking about contaminated e-juice from China? Or are you talking about the 100% flawed, unscientific bullshit study that got plastered everywhere saying Ecigs produce more formaldehyde than cigarettes?
That one has been thoroughly debunked, btw, and was based on a completely unrealistic, non-real world test and does not hold up to any kind of actual scientific scrutiny. http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/210-ald
Vape 'oil' what kind of oil are we talking about here? I don't know what kind of ejuice you are vaping...
Ecigs do need to be further studied, but what we DO know so far based on hundreds of studies is that it is without a single solitary doubt a MUCH safer alternative to smoking and a very effective means of quitting.
The problem is that since it is an unregulated industry there can be any number of variables including poor quality control, contamination and other terrible things. Hence why it is important to do your research and only buy from trusted vendors who follow the highest standards for quality so you aren't buying some shitty ejuice from some factory in Shanghai or whatever.
Don't unglamorize it, Ecigs Save fucking lives.
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Shroomism is really serious about vaping.
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Bitter Cactus said: Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.
Says the guy who used to vape, and actually used to say how much he enjoyed it 
Start doing meth or something again. You're not even remotely cool anymore.
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Shroomism
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Damn fucking straight I am. 
It saves lives. I will continue to preach their glories. I don't think non smokers should vape, but there is no better way for the majority of people to get off cigarettes then with vaping. It's already crushing big tobacco pretty bad.
But actually, I have a good friend who vapes 0% nicotine ejuice. He never smoked a cigarette in his life, but he loves vaping ejuice with no nicotine just for the flavors. Because to him it's just like a mini pocket hookah, any flavor you want, without all harmful effects. Just blowing fat fluffy fruity clouds.
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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: sh4d0ws]
#21729178 - 05/27/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Vaping sucks dude. You look super lame doing it, the buzz is the same as chewing nicorette gum and it really is just super gay no offense. Hipsters think it is cool to vape now too.
Says the guy who used to vape, and actually used to say how much he enjoyed it 
Start doing meth or something again. You're not even remotely cool anymore.
wow thanks buddy
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Oh the other benefits of Ecigs:
You can vape like crazy in your car. It won't stink up your car. You wont burn holes all over your seats and carpet. I started vaping and quit smoking around the exact same time I got a new car. 2 years later my car still smells fresh as a daisy and I blow fat clouds in it constantly. Like I fill the fucking thing with monstrous clouds of vapor. Still looks and smells new inside. Not one cigarette has been lit in my car. You can vape in your house, it wont stain your fucking walls and windows and carpet and everything yellow and make everything smell like smoke, your clothes don't smell like an ashtray. Your sense of smell and taste and ability to breathe comes back... I'm allowed to vape at my desk at work, several of my coworkers vape... and my boss. No one is bothered by it, in fact our other non-smoking/vaping coworkers actually enjoy it and like the smells. Cause we vape the good shit. They try to guess what flavors we are vaping that day. It's a fun game.
Vaping FTFW
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mick said: Not trolling. I'm saying it did Nothing for me, except probably helped me get cancer just like real smoking. If it works for you good, but I personally think a nicotine free lifestyle would save you money and save you from potential unknown health problems in the future.
Vaping ejuice is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking tobacco that is a common misconception
And to each their own but nicotine itself is not harmful to the body in the minute doses one gets from vaping
I don't like when people spread misinformation as truth
Then you don't like yourself? Because misinformation is exactly what you are spreading. You have been brainwashed by consumer campaigns that target your age group to make you think what you're doing is in. Nicotine is stupid as fuck, and with all due respect, so are you for trying to defend it. Retarded. You, like I did, might wish one day in the future that you had listened to those who told you not to put potentially dangerous chemicals into your body, but I really hope u don't have to experience that.

As soon as I saw this post I knew shroomism was going to come in and wreck you.
And fuck you for telling other people how to live.
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eat cookies. If ur eating too much cookies just buy more expensive cookies until you can't afford to eat too many cookies.
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Vaping does nothing?
When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.
While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.
Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes
I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes
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Well, stupid news from Ontario. Ecigs are gonna be highly regulated due to their potential health dangers. Failing upwards as usual.
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Re: Ciggarettes [Re: Patlal]
#21729421 - 05/27/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, they said the flavours make it more accessible to kids.. Same reason they're getting rid of menthols.
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XLCaps said: Yeah, they said the flavours make it more accessible to kids.. Same reason they're getting rid of menthols.
Think of the children!

Its harder for kids to get cigarettes or alcohol than it is for them to get illegal drugs.
Drug dealers dont card, liquor store clerks do
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MilkdudTitties said: Vaping does nothing?
When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.
While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.
Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes
I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes
What nic % were you vaping at and wtf kind of juice were you vaping that was enough to almost make you puke? WTF were you vaping 36mg/ml?
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whats a good vape i know on joe rogan redban is always talking about a new vape he has but i never payed attention, what are supposed to be the good ones? and best site for the juice that isn't made from the sweat of heavy metal contaminated little children in china?
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That really depends on what you are after and how much you can spend. A decent good setup will cost around 100 to get started with a really solid setup. Start here - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/236
I just recommended a IPV 4 100 Watt or Sigelei50w and Herakles Sub-Ohm tank to someone in PM, that's what I would get if I was buying a new tank setup right now. As for juice there's tons of good vendors, seduce juice was one of my favorites, before I was making my own. Check that forum.
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MilkdudTitties said: Vaping does nothing?
When i was vaping that juice i would get pretty damn messed up. I could easily vape enough to puke.
While at the same time i could smoke over a pack a day and feel nothing from smoking.
Vaping gives a much stronger nicotine buzz. I quit vaping because it was turning me into a nicotine fiend. I was vaping constantly pretty much, at least every 2-3 minutes
I would rather smoke a cigarette every 2-3 hours instead of vaping every 2-3 minutes
What nic % were you vaping at and wtf kind of juice were you vaping that was enough to almost make you puke? WTF were you vaping 36mg/ml?
the e-juice i got said 24mg of nicotine and it was a 15ml bottle.
Im not joking around though, when i did it i was literally vaping constantly. I would hit it more than once every minute, and i was taking giant hits. Actually i would pretty much just hit it constantly, only stopping to breathe fresh air when i started to get too light headed
Thats not healthy, and thats why i stopped using e-cigs, because if i wasn't constantly taking big vape hits, i thought that i should be
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>Sorry dude. I respect you and all, but you need to do your research before making such harsh claims and preaching misinformed nonsense. This is a topic I am quite passionate about, so prepare for a knowledge bomb.
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Yeah after that post I started thinking that I came off too strong, my apologies ohmrjohnson. I am pretty passionate about not smoking anymore, due to my personal health experiences with it, and the lessons I've had to learn.
Anyways, thanks for the info. I do not wish to yuck anyone's wow, which is what seems to have been done. If u enjoy using those things, have at it, and even though I will never touch it again, I certainly hope you have a long happy and healthy life with your decision, truly.
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